Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Cromarty]

Who are British.

Yep but not by BRITAIN'S right, which would be a weak claim, and a remnant of imperialism blah blah blah.

They're British by THEIR OWN choice and right. That's the strongest claim one can have if you ask me.

And by law...

[Denmarlandia]

It all seems a bit of a moot discussion. The Falklands are British and we've all shown in other pages.

But... but... but... Las Malvinas!

A tiny stupid joke against the Argentinian position.It`s the most poor joke that I ever seen.PFFFFFF!!
Boys...I was expect something more ingenious..Pff!

[Caragonia]

But... but... but... Las Malvinas!

A tiny stupid joke against the Argentinian position.It`s the most poor joke that I ever seen.PFFFFFF!!
Boys...I was expect something more ingenious..Pff!

And I'm still expecting a comprehensive argument from you on why exactly Argentina has a claim on the Falklands.

On a side note, anyone else been thinking of writing to Kerchner and pointing out that the only claim Argentina has is loosely, and I mean really loosely, descended from the Spanish Empire and thus it's her who's been the Imperialist? I'd like to see if anyone's asked her that rather than her dimwitted Foreign Minister.

[Samuraikoku]

On a side note, anyone else been thinking of writing to Kerchner and pointing out that the only claim Argentina has is loosely, and I mean really loosely, descended from the Spanish Empire and thus it's her who's been the Imperialist? I'd like to see if anyone's asked her that rather than her dimwitted Foreign Minister.

She's not exactly on the bright side either...

[Caragonia]

On a side note, anyone else been thinking of writing to Kerchner and pointing out that the only claim Argentina has is loosely, and I mean really loosely, descended from the Spanish Empire and thus it's her who's been the Imperialist? I'd like to see if anyone's asked her that rather than her dimwitted Foreign Minister.

She's not exactly on the bright side either...

True, but has anyone in the Argentinian media actually asked her why your country (Or at least, the more nationalistic segment) feels it can have the Falklands?

[Great Nepal]

Urgh.

One of the biggest problems is that it would be ridiculously difficult to find any non-partisan nations out there in order to adjudicate. We (the UK) have built ourselves up on quite a few shit-lists and many nations would probably just rule in Argentina's favour just to piss us off.

I'd like to see the UN sit down and objectively look at all the matters surrounding who owns the Falklands and taking into account the Falklanders' wishes. But it is such a politically charged issue that this is never, ever going to happen with an outcome which is truly fair.

Doubt it will be a majority. And even by some miracle, Argentina somehow managed to convince world that Falklands should be Argentine: UK can simple pull out joker card and veto it.

[Caragonia]

Urgh.

One of the biggest problems is that it would be ridiculously difficult to find any non-partisan nations out there in order to adjudicate. We (the UK) have built ourselves up on quite a few shit-lists and many nations would probably just rule in Argentina's favour just to piss us off.

I'd like to see the UN sit down and objectively look at all the matters surrounding who owns the Falklands and taking into account the Falklanders' wishes. But it is such a politically charged issue that this is never, ever going to happen with an outcome which is truly fair.

Doubt it will be a majority. And even by some miracle, Argentina somehow managed to convince world that Falklands should be Argentine: UK can simple pull out joker card and veto it.

That point was raised in the BBC article reporting it. Since Argentina knows it won't have any resolution critical to Britain pass, it's considered by some to be an attempt to gain public support and internationalise the attempt of Argentina to circumvent the wishes of the Falklanders.

Oops. Did I say that? I'm sorry, I realise now that all Big Brother Argentina wants is its rightful Malvinas back.

[Samuraikoku]

She's not exactly on the bright side either...

True, but has anyone in the Argentinian media actually asked her why your country (Or at least, the more nationalistic segment) feels it can have the Falklands?

See, that's the thing. Public opinion here believe the Falklands/Malvinas (I will call them "those islands" so as not to be a part of that ideological battle) are ours from a given. They never actually dabbled in the whole story.

[Rio Cana]

Yep but not by BRITAIN'S right, which would be a weak claim, and a remnant of imperialism blah blah blah.

They're British by THEIR OWN choice and right. That's the strongest claim one can have if you ask me.

And by law...

You do know the UK. govt. is talking out of both sides of the mouth.

For those not sure of the saying "Talking out of both sides of the mouth" read this

This idiom or expression has to do with:

Saying something to someone, but something different to someone else.

How can I trust you when you talk out of both sides of your mouth?

So how is the UK. govt. "Talking out of both sides of the mouth".

They say the wishes people of the Falkland islanders must be respected. But when it comes to the wishes of the Chago Islanders, those do not have to be respected. Which in the end means any UK. argument against Argentina is meaningless until they put right this Chago island fiasco. It is to the advantage of the Falkland islanders that the UK. finally put right this Chago island fiasco. Afterall, if they did it to the Chago Islanders what is there stopping them from doing the same thing to them in the future. Of course since everyone these days has cellular phone cameras and internet cameras, the UK. govt. would probably evict the Falkland islanders in a much nicer way then they did the Chago Islanders.

[Mirkana]

And by law...

You do know the UK. govt. is talking out of both sides of the mouth.

For those not sure of the saying "Talking out of both sides of the mouth" read this

This idiom or expression has to do with:

Saying something to someone, but something different to someone else.

How can I trust you when you talk out of both sides of your mouth?

So how is the UK. govt. "Talking out of both sides of the mouth".

They say the wishes people of the Falkland islanders must be respected. But when it comes to the wishes of the Chago Islanders, those do not have to be respected. Which in the end means any UK. argument against Argentina is meaningless until they put right this Chago island fiasco. It is to the advantage of the Falkland islanders that the UK. finally put right this Chago island fiasco. Afterall, if they did it to the Chago Islanders what is there stopping them from doing the same thing to them in the future. Of course since everyone these days has cellular phone cameras and internet cameras, the UK. govt. would probably evict the Falkland islanders in a much nicer way then they did the Chago Islanders.

After reading the Wikipedia article, it looks like the Chagos case is a lot more complicated, and very different. I personally believe that Britain is in the wrong with regards to Chagos, but that does not mean they cannot protect the rights of their own citizens elsewhere.

[Cromarty]

And by law...

You do know the UK. govt. is talking out of both sides of the mouth.

You do know that's fucking irrelevant to what I was talking about?

[Pingxiang]

After reading the Wikipedia article, it looks like the Chagos case is a lot more complicated, and very different. I personally believe that Britain is in the wrong with regards to Chagos, but that does not mean they cannot protect the rights of their own citizens elsewhere.

It is not difficult. Just let the Chago Islanders go home. The US airbase just uses one island while the other 54 islands go uninhabited. The people were not against the airbase. They were happy since it would provide employment. At the very least if you do not want them on those islands then give each family one million pounds each. But they forced them out and were too cheap to give them any money.

Edit - You should watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oCqqn_uOiY

[Socialist States Owen]

A tiny stupid joke against the Argentinian position.It`s the most poor joke that I ever seen.PFFFFFF!!
Boys...I was expect something more ingenious..Pff!

And I'm still expecting a comprehensive argument from you on why exactly Argentina has a claim on the Falklands.

On a side note, anyone else been thinking of writing to Kerchner and pointing out that the only claim Argentina has is loosely, and I mean really loosely, descended from the Spanish Empire and thus it's her who's been the Imperialist? I'd like to see if anyone's asked her that rather than her dimwitted Foreign Minister.

I was hoping I could mail her a letter that simply has a picture of an oil rig and reads 'Trolololol, lololol..."

[Tagmatium]

But... but... but... Las Malvinas!

A tiny stupid joke against the Argentinian position.It`s the most poor joke that I ever seen.PFFFFFF!!
Boys...I was expect something more ingenious..Pff!

Really?

Well, I'm sorry I disappointed you for not being as eloquent as you hoped I would be.

Anyway, who are you again?

[Eulandia]

You guys are all really making me want to visit the Falklands. Have you seen their tourism website? Penguins AND delightful looking foods. Plus they have awesome stamps. And a delightful cathedral. Fun!

I know where I'll be in a few months... Assuming it'll still be there.

[Rio Cana]

You do know the UK. govt. is talking out of both sides of the mouth.

You do know that's fucking irrelevant to what I was talking about?

You do know the UK. govt. is talking out of both sides of the mouth.

You do know that's fucking irrelevant to what I was talking about?

Nice vocabulary for a public forum. And then they wonder why kids use so much foul rude language these days.

@Eulandia - They were giving a show on the coast of the South American continent. They showed the Falkland islands and penguins. They say when the oceans were lower in elevation that you could walk the 643 Km. from the Falkland islands to Patagonia in Argentina.

[Farnhamia]

You do know that's fucking irrelevant to what I was talking about?

You do know that's fucking irrelevant to what I was talking about?

Nice vocabulary for a public forum. And then they wonder why kids use so much foul rude language these days.

@Eulandia - They were giving a show on the coast of the South American continent. They showed the Falkland islands and penguins. They say when the oceans were lower in elevation that you could walk the 643 Km. from the Falkland islands to Patagonia in Argentina.

Did you really just notice that people use bad language on this forum? Or is it just that you have no response to Cromarty but felt compelled to post something?

[Cromarty]

You do know that's fucking irrelevant to what I was talking about?

Nice vocabulary for a public forum. And then they wonder why kids use so much foul rude language these days.

Post something fucking on fucking topic and I'll fucking reply in a fucking po-fucking-lite fucking way.

Keep fucking banging on about fucking Chago fucking islands and I'll continue to fucking tell you that you're off-fucking-topic.

Edited to point the fact that this was joke.

[Anemos Major]

The Argentine claim to the Falklands is as legitimate as the Japanese one to Manchuria.

Mmkay?

[Kouralia]

Nice vocabulary for a public forum. And then they wonder why kids use so much foul rude language these days.

Post something ... on ... topic and I'll ... reply in a ... po-...-lite ... way.

Keep ... banging on about ... Chago ... islands and I'll continue to ... tell you that you're off-...-topic.

I'd edit that before you get a warning.

[Cullons]

as far as i understand it the changos are not classified as indigenous people. interestingly if they went to the UN and managed to get support to be returned there and the right to choose whether they remain british or not, would be in the UKs best interest.
One of agentinas arguments about hte falklands right to self determination is the fact they are not an indigenous cultre. that would not longer be an argument if the changos went back.
also regarding the chagos, there is also the issue of the US military base and its 50 year lease.

[Denmarlandia]

A tiny stupid joke against the Argentinian position.It`s the most poor joke that I ever seen.PFFFFFF!!
Boys...I was expect something more ingenious..Pff!

Really?

Well, I'm sorry I disappointed you for not being as eloquent as you hoped I would be.

Anyway, who are you again?

I am somebody with better arguments than you..Ah, sure..Caragonia.I was post it the reasons because Argentina have the right with Argentinia Sovereign over Malvinas.
Is too large, the I dont post again

[Canada Remnants]

Lets hope they don't have a war again......

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Really?

Well, I'm sorry I disappointed you for not being as eloquent as you hoped I would be.

Anyway, who are you again?

I am somebody with better arguments than you..

Your English surely isn't better than your arguments.

Ah, sure..Caragonia.I was post it the reasons because Argentina have the right with Argentinia Sovereign over Malvinas.
Is too large, the I dont post again

And if your arguments are soooooooooooooo much better, please, by all means, present them. I am waiting.

[Risottia]

They say the wishes people of the Falkland islanders must be respected. But when it comes to the wishes of the Chago Islanders, those do not have to be respected.

I see your point:
You Britons wronged the Chago Islanders in the past so you HAVE TO wrong the Falklanders too!

By the way, I'm sure that this argument makes the Argentinian claim about having the right to stomp over the Falklanders' will ANOTHER TIME totally valid... only it doesn't.
What about giving Argentina the right to wrong the Chago Islanders too, instead? That's fair, ain't it?