Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[The UK in Exile]

exactly the only way we are going to have to give them back is if the UN says we have to give them back.

Not because they can force us but because the alternative is ending up with a similar international reputation as Israel. its not a price the british will bear.

Sorry, UKIE I wasn't making a statement. I meant to ask you a question: 'There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands then?'

they'd need a significant military build up (years of purchasing and training) to go it alone. that would be obvious enough for us to re-enforce to the point that it becomes impossible. so based on the reasonable assumption that our intel will notice preparations to take the islands back. There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands.

a more troubling scenario is a quick and dirty military pact among brazil/argentina/venezuela. between the three of them they could strike the balance of military power in latin americas favour. currently the odds of that happening are nil. however since a week is a long time in politics and every four years we need to worry about new leaders in these places, it needs to be monitored.

[Bales Rant]

Sorry, UKIE I wasn't making a statement. I meant to ask you a question: 'There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands then?'

they'd need a significant military build up (years of purchasing and training) to go it alone. that would be obvious enough for us to re-enforce to the point that it becomes impossible. so based on the reasonable assumption that our intel will notice preparations to take the islands back. There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands.

a more troubling scenario is a quick and dirty military pact among brazil/argentina/venezuela. between the three of them they could strike the balance of military power in latin americas favour. currently the odds of that happening are nil. however since a week is a long time in politics and every four years we need to worry about new leaders in these places, it needs to be monitored.

Interesting, cheers. That said, I'm not really seeing the militarisation shes on about.

[The UK in Exile]

Prince William has been sent there as an SAR pilot, a type 45 (brand new) destroyer has been sent there, a submarine has been sent there. a foreign minister has declared he will visit for the 30th aniversary of the 1982 war.

all SAR pilots go there at some point, the type 45 is been sent to replace the duty frigate thats always there. but the submarine deployment is non-routine. its been approved by the prime minister and in the context its not hard to see why kirchner might assume that the other two have also been approved by cameron. thereby concluding he's shifting military units for domestic political advantage, by threatening argentina.

[Rio Cana]

Seems Ecuador has joined the club.

Read this - http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/05/world ... +Recent%29


Found out Peru's current President also supports Argentina.

Read this - http://www.presstv.ir/detail/223010.html

In April and May 1982, Peru secretly provided a squadron of 10 to 14 (sources differ) Mirage V fighter jets, weapons that included torpedoes and Exocet missiles, and its Navy provided the transport for war materiel to Argentina that had been acquired in Israel.

[Cromarty]

When did I say I wanted the SAME empire? I want a British empire, but not like the one we had before.

What makes British Empire, superior to say, a Swiss Empire?

Because Britain isn't a tyranny by majority whose largest party is racist?

[Cromarty]

Besides America, not many nations gained freedom through force of arms. None after the Industrial Revoultion.

This is hilarious. Actually hilarious. You show your ignorance of history here.

[Cromarty]

False. There was the Portuguese Colonial War, Algerian War of Independence, Namibian War of Independence and the First Indochina War are all cases in which nations gained their nationhood through force of arms after the Industrial Revolution.

None of which were members of the British Empire, and South Africa was independant during the Namibian WoI.

The formation of the Federation of Malaysia was directly caused by the Malay Emergency.

[Forsher]

That may be so, but I'd rather revoke a peoples right to vote in order to govern them better than they could.

And what if they want the right to self determination? Pretty sure thats in the UN Charter somewhere. That is the same as me coming into your house and dictating how to live your life better, and I bring a regiment of redcoats to do it.

The problem with ex-colonial countries is there was a lack of people who knew how to govern when Britain left. If a proper process of establishing a good civil service had been set up prior to withdrawal, then Zimbabwe might still have a currency of its own.

Hang on. Aren't you pro-Malvinas?

[Napkiraly]

None of which were members of the British Empire, and South Africa was independant during the Namibian WoI.

The formation of the Federation of Malaysia was directly caused by the Malay Emergency.

Forgot about Malaysia, thanks for the reminder.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Is the name of some fictional islands belonging to Argentina.

Which is fine, except this thread is about the very much not fictional islands named the Falklands.

I hope I'm not being pedantic but, what's the difference between'Falklands-Malvinas' and 'London-Londres'. Perhaps it's that "Malvinas" doesn't even try to sound like "Falklands".

One is the English version, while the other is the Spanish one.

[Samuraikoku]

I hope I'm not being pedantic but, what's the difference between'Falklands-Malvinas' and 'London-Londres'. Perhaps it's that "Malvinas" doesn't even try to sound like "Falklands".

One is the English version, while the other is the Spanish one.

That's why I call them Falklands in English and Malvinas in Spanish.

[Spiral Sun]

None of which were members of the British Empire, and South Africa was independant during the Namibian WoI.

Ah, my mistake I didn't know you were talking about former members of the BE only. In that case you have Ireland, but that's about it.

Not entirely correct. The British willingly gave them independence after a certain date, though a large chunk of the island didn't want to leave.

[Vilanto]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/ ... 17430.html

So recently, the Falklands is starting to cause major tenstions between the U.K and Argentina yet again. Argentina thinks the Falklands belong to them while the U.K believes the Falklands should be british territory. So what do you guys think?

[Farnhamia]

I woulld say the people posting in this 45-page thread have the rights.

And it is considered polite, at the very least, to give your opinion.

[Vilanto]

I woulld say the people posting in this 45-page thread have the rights.

And it is considered polite, at the very least, to give your opinion.

o.k.

I believe that this issue should be decided by the residents of the Falklands. They should choose what government they want to live under.

I didn't know that someone already posted for this story.

[Farnhamia]

I woulld say the people posting in this 45-page thread have the rights.

And it is considered polite, at the very least, to give your opinion.

o.k.

I believe that this issue should be decided by the residents of the Falklands. They should choose what government they want to live under.

I didn't know that someone already posted for this story.

That's fine. I believe the residents of the Falklands have made it pretty clear that they want to be British.

[Vilanto]

o.k.

I believe that this issue should be decided by the residents of the Falklands. They should choose what government they want to live under.

I didn't know that someone already posted for this story.

That's fine. I believe the residents of the Falklands have made it pretty clear that they want to be British.

If that's the case, i wonder why Argentina wants the Falklands so badly?

[Scholencia]

That's fine. I believe the residents of the Falklands have made it pretty clear that they want to be British.

If that's the case, i wonder why Argentina wants the Falklands so badly?

The Falknads was in the possesion of Spain which according to the Argentinians they inherit. In my opinion the Falklands should be Argentinian.

[Machtergreifung]

Besides America, not many nations gained freedom through force of arms. None after the Industrial Revoultion.

This is hilarious. Actually hilarious. You show your ignorance of history here.

So, nations that achived independance from Britain by throwing them out with force of arms-
America
Ireland (though they kept a fair portion of it for themselves)

Any others? Might have forgotten a great deal of my history, but you get the idea that any opposition to the British Empire was crushed pretty ruthlessly, and that begs the question as to why people were forced to fight for thier independance. This 'great' empire was nowhere near as great as many people imagine.

[Ifreann]

That's fine. I believe the residents of the Falklands have made it pretty clear that they want to be British.

If that's the case, i wonder why Argentina wants the Falklands so badly?

Otherwise all they'd be known for is being the place where Nazis go to hide from justice and having a song about how they shouldn't cry for some someone.

[Farnhamia]

If that's the case, i wonder why Argentina wants the Falklands so badly?

The Falknads was in the possesion of Spain which according to the Argentinians they inherit. In my opinion the Falklands should be Argentinian.

Only, no one who lives there agrees. Except that one guy who became an Argentine citizen.

[Super Bwitain]

This is hilarious. Actually hilarious. You show your ignorance of history here.

So, nations that achived independance from Britain by throwing them out with force of arms-
America
Ireland (though they kept a fair portion of it for themselves)

Any others? Might have forgotten a great deal of my history, but you get the idea that any opposition to the British Empire was crushed pretty ruthlessly, and that begs the question as to why people were forced to fight for thier independance. This 'great' empire was nowhere near as great as many people imagine.

It depends what you find "great" about it. For example, size. No one can deny that the British Empire was the largest in history, anf some people find that "great".

[Vilanto]

If that's the case, i wonder why Argentina wants the Falklands so badly?

The Falknads was in the possesion of Spain which according to the Argentinians they inherit. In my opinion the Falklands should be Argentinian.

Wouldn't Spain have rights to the falklands then since it was the 1'st country to claim the island?

[Super Bwitain]

If that's the case, i wonder why Argentina wants the Falklands so badly?

The Falknads was in the possesion of Spain which according to the Argentinians they inherit. In my opinion the Falklands should be Argentinian.

The British kept their claim of the Falklands even after they left. We were around longer, we owned it longer and we claimed it longer. The Falklands are and should remain British.

[Celephais]

The Falknads was in the possesion of Spain which according to the Argentinians they inherit.

That proves Cameron right then - they are being colonialist, as they're basing their claim off the Spanish empire.

In my opinion the Falklands should be Argentinian.

It is not your opinion that matters (or mine), it is the islanders'. From the Telegraph comments section:

Mr Argentina is infatuated with his next door neighbour, Miss Falkland but the trouble is that Miss Falkland is in love with Mr UK who lives on the other side of the town.

Unfortunately Mr Argentina is pretty clueless when it comes to impressing the object of his desire, infact so much so that 30 years ago in a fit of obsessive pique he punched Miss Falkland in the face and tried to drag her off.

Unfortunately for him he didn't reckon on Mr UK storming over from the other side of town and beating him up pretty badly.

Now, after years of quietly sulking Mr Argentina has found out that Miss Falkland may have an inheritance and that has got him all steamed up again.

This time, weary of being beaten up infront of everyone again, he has decided to get the neighbourhood to gang up on Miss Falkland and is acting particularly obnoxiously, shoving dog excrement through her letter box and making nuisiance phone calls.

Mr Argentina constantly accuses Mr UK of being a pirate and a bully but all Mr UK and Miss Falkland want is to be left in peace.

When is Mr Argentina going to learn some manners?