Falkland islands protest outside Brit embassy in BA

[Super Bwitain]

That may be so, but I'd rather revoke a peoples right to vote in order to govern them better than they could.

And what if they want the right to self determination? Pretty sure thats in the UN Charter somewhere. That is the same as me coming into your house and dictating how to live your life better, and I bring a regiment of redcoats to do it.

The problem with ex-colonial countries is there was a lack of people who knew how to govern when Britain left. If a proper process of establishing a good civil service had been set up prior to withdrawal, then Zimbabwe might still have a currency of its own.

Hell, I'd take a chance to improve my life.

I'll give you the second one.

[Machtergreifung]

What makes British Empire, superior to say, a Swiss Empire? What about a Andorrian Empire?

Did I ever say anything about superiority?

Anyway, size, wealth, healthcare etc. etc. Would make an empire superior to another.

Yes, because we are the biggest. But what about Russia? They're pretty big.

Health? You have to be kidding, 7th for heart disease deaths, 3rd for obesity, with the most obese men in the world?

[Celephais]

If people can't govern themselves, then I think there is a very strong case to be made.

There's all sorts of interesting definitions of "can't govern themselves" possible. It's an interventionist's hawk dream, basically a blank cheque.

[Malgrave]

You should stop the threadjack.

[Super Bwitain]

Did I ever say anything about superiority?

Yes, because we are the biggest. But what about Russia? They're pretty big.

Health? You have to be kidding, 7th for heart disease deaths, 3rd for obesity, with the most obese men in the world?

"Anyway, size, wealth, healthcare etc. etc. Would make an empire superior to another."

I never referred to the British empire, just Empires in general.

[Machtergreifung]

And what if they want the right to self determination? Pretty sure thats in the UN Charter somewhere. That is the same as me coming into your house and dictating how to live your life better, and I bring a regiment of redcoats to do it.

The problem with ex-colonial countries is there was a lack of people who knew how to govern when Britain left. If a proper process of establishing a good civil service had been set up prior to withdrawal, then Zimbabwe might still have a currency of its own.

Hell, I'd take a chance to improve my life.

I'll give you the second one.

We you even alive during the empire? And I don't think you would take to well to being told what to do with someone who didnt speak your language, understand your culture or customs and thought he knew what was best for you.

It's like trying to teach a Middle Age serf how best to get along with his lord and bishop...

[Fnordgasm 5]

Did I ever say anything about superiority?

Anyway, size, wealth, healthcare etc. etc. Would make an empire superior to another.

Yes, because we are the biggest. But what about Russia? They're pretty big.

Health? You have to be kidding, 7th for heart disease deaths, 3rd for obesity, with the most obese men in the world?

Kidding? I think it's an excellent idea! There's nothing like a bit of empire building to whip a man into shape an help him shed a few pounds..

[Vellosia]

Hell, I'd take a chance to improve my life.

I'll give you the second one.

We you even alive during the empire? And I don't think you would take to well to being told what to do with someone who didnt speak your language, understand your culture or customs and thought he knew what was best for you.

It's like trying to teach a Middle Age serf how best to get along with his lord and bishop...

If you can demonstrate how someone in some tinpot African dictatorship ruled by a nutcase is better off now than they were when a real government was in place that actually cared about infrastructure, healthcare and an economy, then yes.

But I somehow doubt it.

[Super Bwitain]

Hell, I'd take a chance to improve my life.

I'll give you the second one.

We you even alive during the empire? And I don't think you would take to well to being told what to do with someone who didnt speak your language, understand your culture or customs and thought he knew what was best for you.

It's like trying to teach a Middle Age serf how best to get along with his lord and bishop...

Final post before I stop the threadjack.

In the long-run, if me and my family came out better, if my people came out better, then it'd be worth it.

[Machtergreifung]

We you even alive during the empire? And I don't think you would take to well to being told what to do with someone who didnt speak your language, understand your culture or customs and thought he knew what was best for you.

It's like trying to teach a Middle Age serf how best to get along with his lord and bishop...

Final post before I stop the threadjack.

In the long-run, if me and my family came out better, if my people came out better, then it'd be worth it.

Yes, in that case I hope you enjoy getting whipped. Fair play if you do, takes all types.

We you even alive during the empire? And I don't think you would take to well to being told what to do with someone who didnt speak your language, understand your culture or customs and thought he knew what was best for you.

It's like trying to teach a Middle Age serf how best to get along with his lord and bishop...

If you can demonstrate how someone in some tinpot African dictatorship ruled by a nutcase is better off now than they were when a real government was in place that actually cared about infrastructure, healthcare and an economy, then yes.

But I somehow doubt it.

The one good thing about such dictatorships is that if enough people disaprove, a dictator can be deposed. If that dictator happens to be in the House of Commons or Downing Street, getting rid of them can be impossible, as several uprisings and rebellions have shown.

[The Common Territories]

Since Argentina's regime change before the Falkland Island war it has sought to become the South American Superpower and has despised outer nations that poses territory in the continent. Meaning the UK. They still claim the Falkland Islands and the antarctic territory that Britain owns. Argentina wants to be the strongest nation in South America no doubt but it lost already trying to steal the Falklands so it's to scared to try again.

Basically it's not a safe idea to take on a world power with such a weak military. If they want to become stronger then take over other states nearby like Chili. Brazil will always be the South American superpower though.

[The UK in Exile]

The one good thing about such dictatorships is that if enough people disaprove, a dictator can be deposed. If that dictator happens to be in the House of Commons or Downing Street, getting rid of them can be impossible, as several uprisings and rebellions have shown.

ORLY?

[Tagmatium]

What about a Andorrian Empire?

I'd be for an Andorran Empire.

[Machtergreifung]

The one good thing about such dictatorships is that if enough people disaprove, a dictator can be deposed. If that dictator happens to be in the House of Commons or Downing Street, getting rid of them can be impossible, as several uprisings and rebellions have shown.

ORLY?

True, butnot many sucessfull African revolts now, were there? Besides America, not many nations gained freedom through force of arms. None after the Industrial Revoultion.

[Napkiraly]

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ORLY?

True, butnot many sucessfull African revolts now, were there? Besides America, not many nations gained freedom through force of arms. None after the Industrial Revoultion.

False. There was the Portuguese Colonial War, Algerian War of Independence, Namibian War of Independence and the First Indochina War are all cases in which nations gained their nationhood through force of arms after the Industrial Revolution.

[The UK in Exile]

algeria.

[Machtergreifung]

True, butnot many sucessfull African revolts now, were there? Besides America, not many nations gained freedom through force of arms. None after the Industrial Revoultion.

False. There was the Portuguese Colonial War, Algerian War of Independence, Namibian War of Independence and the First Indochina War are all cases in which nations gained their nationhood through force of arms after the Industrial Revolution.

None of which were members of the British Empire, and South Africa was independant during the Namibian WoI.

[Napkiraly]

False. There was the Portuguese Colonial War, Algerian War of Independence, Namibian War of Independence and the First Indochina War are all cases in which nations gained their nationhood through force of arms after the Industrial Revolution.

None of which were members of the British Empire, and South Africa was independant during the Namibian WoI.

Ah, my mistake I didn't know you were talking about former members of the BE only. In that case you have Ireland, but that's about it.

[The UK in Exile]

None of which were members of the British Empire, and South Africa was independant during the Namibian WoI.

Ah, my mistake I didn't know you were talking about former members of the BE only. In that case you have Ireland, but that's about it.

lol, good example. the focus on the BE is pretty arbitrary anyway.

[Bales Rant]

Don't know if this has been posted yet:

'Argentina to raise Falklands UK 'militarisation' at UN'

[Machtergreifung]

Ah, my mistake I didn't know you were talking about former members of the BE only. In that case you have Ireland, but that's about it.

lol, good example. the focus on the BE is pretty arbitrary anyway.

Still, all that opposition to the Empire tells you something about it, no?

[The UK in Exile]

Don't know if this has been posted yet:

'Argentina to raise Falklands UK 'militarisation' at UN'

yes, It demonstrates the point I made at the start of the thread, any military preparations work against us. all its done is given argentina a chance to force the dialogue forward in an area we don't have supremacy and rely on shaky american support. what of the british veto I hear you say? well that would be an irony in itself. months after condemning russia and calling for the UN to be reformed we block a resolution aimed at us personally and switch directions on UN reform because we won't get our way. capital. whichever offical, be it the PM, Chief of the Defense Staff or Junior MOD bean counter who authorized those movements should find his next job involves permenant posting to the falklands.

Still, all that opposition to the Empire tells you something about it, no?

yes, it doesn't however prove that a imperial despot is inherrently worse than homegrown one.

[Bales Rant]

Don't know if this has been posted yet:

'Argentina to raise Falklands UK 'militarisation' at UN'

yes, It demonstrates the point I made at the start of the thread, any military preparations work against us. all its done is given argentina a chance to force the dialogue forward in an area we don't have supremacy and rely on shaky american support. what of the british veto I hear you say? well that would be an irony in itself. months after condemning russia and calling for the UN to be reformed we block a resolution aimed at us personally and switch directions on UN reform because we won't get our way. capital. whichever offical, be it the PM, Chief of the Defense Staff or Junior MOD bean counter who authorized those movements should find his next job involves permenant posting to the falklands.

I'm not up to date with Argentine military capabilities. There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands then? I know their airforce is pretty much for shit nowadays.

[The UK in Exile]

I'm not up to date with Argentine military capabilities. There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands. I know their airforce is pretty much for shit nowadays.

exactly the only way we are going to have to give them back is if the UN says we have to give them back.

Not because they can force us but because the alternative is ending up with a similar international reputation as Israel. its not a price the british will bear.

[Bales Rant]

I'm not up to date with Argentine military capabilities. There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands. I know their airforce is pretty much for shit nowadays.

exactly the only way we are going to have to give them back is if the UN says we have to give them back.

Not because they can force us but because the alternative is ending up with a similar international reputation as Israel. its not a price the british will bear.

Sorry, UKIE I wasn't making a statement. I meant to ask you a question: 'There's absolutely no way they could mount an operation and invade the Falklands then?'