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Postby Arbites » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:52 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
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Ah, 40k, right. I'm just waiting for the God-Emperor at this point.

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Postby Steel and Fire » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:53 pm

It's simple—familiarity breeds contempt.

The problem is not and has never been lack of understanding. The problem is that both sides understand each other much too well. This is largely because the political "left" and the political "right" have been moving closer together for years in most western countries; the differences between the two sides are disappearing rapidly. This leaves a lot of common ground and only a few issues on which people disagree. All politicians sound basically alike. All political rhetoric looks pretty similar. Faced with a situation like this people feel a strong need to assert their political identity; to prove that they're different from The Other Side. As the divide narrows, the need for self-assertion grows. Eventually all elections will be over a single issue (probably something like abortion), the debates will have rules like "no eye gouging or clothes ripping" and political assassination will become the second most common cause of death.
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Postby Anu-Asiya » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:54 pm

I believe in liberal nationalism with a tad of cultural nationalism in combination of Austrian school economics. Anyone who doesnt wish the death of others and doesnt break the law as in killing someone innocent or rape, doesnt have to fear a possible death sentence (in most severe cases) or a short to long term prison sentence.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:55 pm

So my desire to defile Thatchers future grave is not based on her political affiliations? I'm in the clear here, right?
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Postby Ciphrus » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:58 pm

Waraqistan wrote:hey no what you are all haters and if any one keeps saying about this nazi crap dont make fun of them they are not always racists so shut up.

I honestly don't think anyone said anything about Nazis?

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:58 pm

Steel and Fire wrote:It's simple—familiarity breeds contempt.

The problem is not and has never been lack of understanding. The problem is that both sides understand each other much too well. This is largely because the political "left" and the political "right" have been moving closer together for years in most western countries; the differences between the two sides are disappearing rapidly. This leaves a lot of common ground and only a few issues on which people disagree. All politicians sound basically alike.


This actually makes some sense, especially when you look at the Republican candidates. They are all trying to state, "I'm different! I'm a TRUE conservative!"
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:58 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:This, possibly with the addition, "Admitting, even to yourself, that you were wrong about one of your deeply-held beliefs is nearly impossible."

Gonna have to dispute that.

You're one of the reasons I added "nearly" to that sentence. :)
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Postby Waraqistan » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:01 pm

So whatever idc what you say i love the German People.

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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:06 pm

I don't hate leftists, as I've been a baby-eating commie myself one day. I just disagree with them on some issues, such as whether babies taste better with salt or with pepper.
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Postby Zeppy » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:07 pm

I don't like you.

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Postby Larrick » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:08 pm

Because from hate grows power, and from power comes peace.



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Postby Ciphrus » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:14 pm

Waraqistan wrote:So whatever idc what you say i love the German People.


Not all Germans are Nazis. And the Nazis did some pretty mean stuff. Like REALLY mean. So...

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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:17 pm

I don't "hate" people I'm opposed to, even diametrically so; I certainly don't agree with them and find their positions and often their personalities disagreeable, but I'm not afraid to agree with them when I agree or give credit when it's due. It makes no sense to ignore someone's individual ideas simply out of irrational dislike for their overall beliefs.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:20 pm

Ciphrus wrote:
Waraqistan wrote:So whatever idc what you say i love the German People.


Not all Germans are Nazis.
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Postby Osterra » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:24 pm

I'm glad someone has brought this up. Collectively, counting previous nations, I've been observing this for over a year. There's nothing really that justifies an argument by making a sweeping, exaggerated comments. I personally respect opinions of others, and I tend to leave the adversarial behaviour to the real politicians... Though I don't condone it, I can usually ignore it by not wasting time on such remarks, unless they're clearly out of humour.

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Postby Waraqistan » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:24 pm

NAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIs not all mean.

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Postby Osterra » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:25 pm

The Kangaroo Republic wrote:I don't hate leftists, as I've been a baby-eating commie myself one day. I just disagree with them on some issues, such as whether babies taste better with salt or with pepper.

mmm, babies...

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Postby Aethelstania » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:44 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:So my desire to defile Thatchers future grave is not based on her political affiliations? I'm in the clear here, right?


Ha well my response to that is that you (rightfully in my opinion) dislike Maggie but to actually do something to someones grave or to celebrate death is morally wrong. Even of a 'bad' person

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Postby Osterra » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:05 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:So my desire to defile Thatchers future grave is not based on her political affiliations? I'm in the clear here, right?

Also not a fan at all of Thatcher's policies. That's why I have signed an e-petition to let Thatcher's funeral become a privately funded event, as opposed to her the proposed £3M state funeral. Let's see how she likes her policies now. And if that is morally wrong, I do not want to be right.

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Postby Imsogone » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:22 pm

I don't understand hate myself, any kind of hate. It takes too much energy to actively hate someone or something. My energy these days is in short supply, so I conserve it for things that are actually important and most politicians are just too contemptible to be worthy of that much expenditure of energy.
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Postby Disserbia » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:25 pm

I guess I'm basically liberal. I try to be as pragmatic as possible and not to attack people. I would rather get along than hate and harm but there are people who would rather have it the opposite, on all sides.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:32 pm

Imsogone wrote:I don't understand hate myself, any kind of hate. It takes too much energy to actively hate someone or something. My energy these days is in short supply, so I conserve it for things that are actually important and most politicians are just too contemptible to be worthy of that much expenditure of energy.


Psh, I hate everything and I'm happier/calmer than I've ever been.
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Postby Imsogone » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:58 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Imsogone wrote:I don't understand hate myself, any kind of hate. It takes too much energy to actively hate someone or something. My energy these days is in short supply, so I conserve it for things that are actually important and most politicians are just too contemptible to be worthy of that much expenditure of energy.


Psh, I hate everything and I'm happier/calmer than I've ever been.


Ok. Are you sure it's actual hate and not contempt, loathing, disregard, distaste, lack of respect ... ?
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Postby Yootwopia » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:59 pm

Aethelstania wrote:What is with all the hate ?

It's all I have left to feel alive.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:02 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Psh, I hate everything and I'm happier/calmer than I've ever been.


Ok. Are you sure it's actual hate and not contempt, loathing, disregard, distaste, lack of respect ... ?


Hate is just intense dislike. I don't "actively" (as you put it) hate everything though. I don't go around wasting energy expressing my hate, but I do indeed hate, dislike, etc. pretty much everything (well, related with people). The type of hate you should watch out for are those that express their hatred and use it to do crazy shit.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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