God died in Auschwitz

[Mavorpen]

Before people pounces on me, I'm not against Atheism in anyway and if you are a atheist more power too you. What I have a problem with is people who what I call "Evangelical Atheists" as I have a problem with Evangelical Christians and whatever.

Define Evangelical Atheist?
Because to me that sounds like Anti-Theism, which I am not, I don't hate theists.

An Evangelical Atheist is an Atheist who spends a good chunk of their time purposely trying to turn Christians into Atheists. I'm not sure why he's complaining about that since this is a DEBATE forum, thus we are supposed to try to convince the other side.

[Orcoa]

Before people pounces on me, I'm not against Atheism in anyway and if you are a atheist more power too you. What I have a problem with is people who what I call "Evangelical Atheists" as I have a problem with Evangelical Christians and whatever.

Define Evangelical Atheist?
Because to me that sounds like Anti-Theism, which I am not, I don't hate theists.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Evangelical%20Atheist
(Yes I know I'm using Urban Dictionary for this but I think it works)

I kinda figured, I think you make good arguments on this topic and they are very interesting.

And I don't know why I'm complaining about this...

[Trotskylvania]

Before people pounces on me, I'm not against Atheism in anyway and if you are a atheist more power too you. What I have a problem with is people who what I call "Evangelical Atheists" as I have a problem with Evangelical Christians and whatever.

Define Evangelical Atheist?
Because to me that sounds like Anti-Theism, which I am not, I don't hate theists.

Obviously, Evangelical Atheists are the ones who knock at your door early on a Saturday morning, and greet you with the question "Have you heard the bad news?"

[Orcoa]

Define Evangelical Atheist?
Because to me that sounds like Anti-Theism, which I am not, I don't hate theists.

Obviously, Evangelical Atheists are the ones who knock at your door early on a Saturday morning, and greet you with the question "Have you heard the bad news?"

First I Lol at this and second it's more on the Internets then n your front door

[Chinese Regions]

Define Evangelical Atheist?
Because to me that sounds like Anti-Theism, which I am not, I don't hate theists.

An Evangelical Atheist is an Atheist who spends a good chunk of their time purposely trying to turn Christians into Atheists. I'm not sure why he's complaining about that since this is a DEBATE forum, thus we are supposed to try to convince the other side.

Oh right, you are right this is a debate forum and we are suppose to convince the other side.

[Chinese Regions]

Define Evangelical Atheist?
Because to me that sounds like Anti-Theism, which I am not, I don't hate theists.

Obviously, Evangelical Atheists are the ones who knock at your door early on a Saturday morning, and greet you with the question "Have you heard the bad news?"

[Crystalcliff Point]

Before people pounces on me, I'm not against Atheism in anyway and if you are a atheist more power too you. What I have a problem with is people who what I call "Evangelical Atheists" as I have a problem with Evangelical Christians and whatever.

He entered a discussion on religion, failed to provide logical arguments, and then rage quit when he couldn't make a single valid point. He has no one to blame for this but himself. After all this is the Internet: The place where religion goes to die.

Do YOU care to engage in a calm, rational exchange of ideas? If so, shall we begin? If not, why are you here?

[Orcoa]

Before people pounces on me, I'm not against Atheism in anyway and if you are a atheist more power too you. What I have a problem with is people who what I call "Evangelical Atheists" as I have a problem with Evangelical Christians and whatever.

He entered a discussion on religion, failed to provide logical arguments, and then rage quit when he couldn't make a single valid point. He has no one to blame for this but himself. After all this is the Internet: The place where religion goes to die.

Do YOU care to engage in a calm, rational exchange of ideas? If so, shall we begin? If not, why are you here?

I was told there was cake here.... and I'm should quote your post lol

[1010101Cannon]

Religion is just an exagerated story or a manipulative idea. What happens if you never tell a kid that

santa isn't real,

and they grow up believing that he is, and they pass on these misconceptions through the generations, until a large population believes this, looks for proof in everything, and worships him? Religion. That's what hasppens. Or maybe, some guy wanted control over a group of people, so he said that he had been "chosen" to lead them by some wierd invisible dude in the sky.

[Pieman City]

An idea like this one just makes me think of a quotation from Romeo Dallaire, who is often asked how he can beleive in God after the atrocities he witnessed during the Rawandan genocide.

“I know there is a God because in Rwanda I shook hands with the devil. I have seen him, I have smelled him and I have touched him. I know the devil exists and therefore I know there is a God.”

You can make of that what you will really, but I know that struck a cord for me back when I first read it.

[Crystalcliff Point]

I was told there was cake here.... and I'm should quote your post lol

Actually, I'd rather you not attribute the quote to me. It was originally said, I believe, by Thunderf00t on Youtube.

[Orcoa]

I was told there was cake here.... and I'm should quote your post lol

Actually, I'd rather you not attribute the quote to me. It was originally said, I believe, by Thunderf00t on Youtube.

I have heard of him and his post about...what was his name something venom..

[Distruzio]

I see. Was the bible written by a single man? By a collection of men in a single lifetime? By a collection of men across many lifetimes in the same culture at least? No? Then what are you complaining about. The texts that make up the holy Scripture were written by uneducated men, divinely inspired or not, who did their absolute best to describe the wonders they saw.

If a deity was giving them information (Which the bible says it was) then it shouldn't matter how many men wrote it, over how long.

When an infant has been raised with a dog, and knows no other animal save what a cat looks like, then he would he forgiven for mistaking a coyote, a wolf, or a deer for a dog, wouldn't he?

I'd think an all-knowing deity would know the difference.

The point, my friend, is that a man, someone who is NOT God, wouldn't.

[Distruzio]

Even if free will hadn't already been rendered metaphysically impossible, this would still be a cop-out.

It's not even so much that it's made metaphysically impossible. God, by being omniscient, would know everything that will happen. Such a deity would know what my next sentence will be. And why I'm typing it. And to whom. There would be no surprises.

It's even stated, in the bible, that the "God" character had ... I think the phrase used is "charted out the days of my life". Pretty much from womb to grave. Free what now?

Having a map, and know everywhere that you could go, does not mean that you will go everywhere. God, being omniscient, knows all, it is true, but that doesn't change the fact that you are the one who acts. Knowing the next sentence you type is not the same thing as preventing you from writing it.

[Distruzio]

You know what I have noticed in threads like these? It seems like either there is one, two or more christian posters who try get into the debate...but get surrounded by atheists, others .etc. I have a answer for this...Don't post in this kind of Thread, Seriously don't do it..if you are a christian and you try to post in this kind of thread..you will get no one and it waste everyone's time. I have learned this long ago and it has helped me since

I'm not interested in converting anyone. I'm interested in fruitful conversation. Every conversation is fruitful when it reminds me of my faith despite my flaws.

[Distruzio]

If you created a little gremlin, knowing full well that once created, the gremlin would have a nasty disposition and enjoy running amok, and you set him free, and he promptly ran about slashing people's tires, setting trees afire, going into clothing stores and pissing on the racks, etc., you would be partly responsible because you had known from the start what would happen. You could cry, "but I gave him free will!" until you were blue in the face, but you'd still go to jail. And rightfully so.

No. We "gremlins" have been provided a set of rules by which to live, and we do not. Moreover, since He is the one who created we "gremlins", we are not His judges. He wouldn't go to jail.

[Sammich Republic]

[Mavorpen]

If you created a little gremlin, knowing full well that once created, the gremlin would have a nasty disposition and enjoy running amok, and you set him free, and he promptly ran about slashing people's tires, setting trees afire, going into clothing stores and pissing on the racks, etc., you would be partly responsible because you had known from the start what would happen. You could cry, "but I gave him free will!" until you were blue in the face, but you'd still go to jail. And rightfully so.

No. We "gremlins" have been provided a set of rules by which to live, and we do not. Moreover, since He is the one who created we "gremlins", we are not His judges. He wouldn't go to jail.

So, He's like Hitler and Stalin.

[Chinese Regions]

No. We "gremlins" have been provided a set of rules by which to live, and we do not. Moreover, since He is the one who created we "gremlins", we are not His judges. He wouldn't go to jail.

So, He's like Hitler and Stalin.

He is worse than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and any other dictators and mass murderers you can think of.

[Crystalcliff Point]

The point, my friend, is that a man, someone who is NOT God, wouldn't.

So you're saying that the bible shouldn't be judged as the word of god because it isn't?

He is worse than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and any other dictators and mass murderers you can think of.

That would be correct. Hitler, Stalin, et co only killed modest %'s of people each and often targetted certain groups.

If the bible is to be literally interpreted... God killed 99.999% of people on earth. Except for a man, his wife, his sons, and his sons' wives.

And left humanity to become stupidly inbred over the years.

[Distruzio]

No. We "gremlins" have been provided a set of rules by which to live, and we do not. Moreover, since He is the one who created we "gremlins", we are not His judges. He wouldn't go to jail.

So, He's like Hitler and Stalin.

And how is this language NOT supposed to illicit misotheist interpretations of your thought? You say you aren't misotheist yet you do not refrain from indulging in hateful language to describe him.

[Distruzio]

The point, my friend, is that a man, someone who is NOT God, wouldn't.

So you're saying that the bible shouldn't be judged as the word of god because it isn't?

It isn't authoritative as the Word of God without the Church to explain when it is to be used as such. Since the Son is the Word made physical AND the head of the Church, the Bible is nothing but a collection of religious historical texts outside the authority of the Church. The Church is, even according to scripture, the pillar and foundation of the faith.

Any bibliolator, that is a Protestant professing the supremacy of the Bible, who says otherwise is an idolatrous heretic and should be disregarded as such for they dismiss 2000 years of Christian dogma with such nonsense.

Of course I'm a bit more militant in my discrimination against such people. This is my opinion and should not he interpreted as a dogmatic teaching of traditional Christianity. The Orthodox and Catholics lament their wayward cousins misrepresentation of scripture. I border on condemning them for it, and that is a sin of mine not to be a reflection of Orthodoxy. It likely is the result of my own shame at having based my former hatred of God on scripture alone as they base their reverence of the texts inthe same way.

[Crystalcliff Point]

And how is this language NOT supposed to illicit misotheist interpretations of your thought? You say you aren't misotheist yet you do not refrain from indulging in hateful language to describe him.

See, people like Chinese Regions and I don't hate gods innately. But I certainly do not consider the christian deity to be worthy of respect based solely on his actions in the OT.

Many of them are indefensibly evil. Unless child slaughter, rape and overall slaughter is okay in your books.

[Genivaria]

So, He's like Hitler and Stalin.

And how is this language NOT supposed to illicit misotheist interpretations of your thought? You say you aren't misotheist yet you do not refrain from indulging in hateful language to describe him.

I would use hateful language to describe Cthulhu as well. Even though I know he's not real.
We have been over this numerous times I suspect. We can dislike a concept while not believing in it.
I think Zeus is a bit of an ass whole with how many mortal women he raped. That doesn't require me to believe in him.

[Conserative Morality]

And how is this language NOT supposed to illicit misotheist interpretations of your thought? You say you aren't misotheist yet you do not refrain from indulging in hateful language to describe him.

I'm a misotheistic atheist. Does that count?