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Postby Seperates » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:09 pm

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So God is an animal now? :blink:

Sounds like God is a Social Darwinist *cough* Nazi *cough*.

no, thier was a suggestion that God does not have rights because he is human, animals have rights and are not human. the point is invalid

Social Darwinism is far from Nazi-ism

Social Darwinism promotes people and corperations to advance themself
whereas Nazi-ism destorys and segregates people directly
Nazi-ism is further based on the"Aryan" race. where as Social Darwinism can be used in any race or culture

Social Darwinism was a pre-cursor to Nazism, because it is based on a misunderstanding of the concept of Evolution via Natural Selection. Social Darwinism promotes the idea of a "superior" race, which is directly correlated to Nazism. Although, ideas about "superior' races pre-date Social Darwinism by centuries.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:09 pm

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Vazdania wrote:no, thier was a suggestion that God does not have rights because he is human, animals have rights and are not human. the point is invalid

Social Darwinism is far from Nazi-ism

Social Darwinism promotes people and corperations to advance themself
whereas Nazi-ism destorys and segregates people directly
Nazi-ism is further based on the"Aryan" race. where as Social Darwinism can be used in any race or culture

Social Darwinism is an insult to Darwin's name.

i feel like it needs a new name
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:09 pm

Nornalhorst wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's a collection of myths, legends, poetry and historical chronicles written down by the ancient Hebrews over a considerable time going back several thousand years ago. It is in the same category as the Iliad, the Odyssey, the stories out of Mesopotamia, the stories told in Mesoamerica, in Africa, all over the world. It's not that special.


To you it is nothing more than a myth, to the billions of followers of Christianity the Bible is truth.


Really? That's why nearly all of them cherry pick the good parts of the Bible to follow while pretending like the bad parts don't exist.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:09 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Social Darwinism is an insult to Darwin's name.

i feel like it needs a new name

I feel like it needs to go away. Society does not advance by "survival of the fittest."
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Postby Crystalcliff Point » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:it does for me as well as millions of others

Then why does the book contain outright lies and misinformation? (consult my previous post)

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:11 pm

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No. The bible does not.

it does for me as well as millions of others

Which is why you keep losing. Your logic is faulty, you contradict yourself, and you have to practice a double think that would boggle even a six-year-old with a rudimentary understanding of debate.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:11 pm

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Vazdania wrote:i feel like it needs a new name

I feel like it needs to go away. Society does not advance by "survival of the fittest."

This.
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:12 pm

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Vazdania wrote:it does for me as well as millions of others

Then why does the book contain outright lies and misinformation? (consult my previous post)

it doesnt
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:12 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Crystalcliff Point wrote:Then why does the book contain outright lies and misinformation? (consult my previous post)

it doesnt


[citation needed]
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:14 pm

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Vazdania wrote:it does for me as well as millions of others

Which is why you keep losing. Your logic is faulty, you contradict yourself, and you have to practice a double think that would boggle even a six-year-old with a rudimentary understanding of debate.

attack on the man fallacious argument
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Crystalcliff Point wrote:Then why does the book contain outright lies and misinformation? (consult my previous post)

it doesnt

Yes it does. The Bible has been proven to be self-contradictory in many places and it is historically inaccurate for much of the time. And clapping your hands on your ears is a sign of the ignoranmus who does not come to the debate to learn, but to justify his already decided opinion.

I change my opinions with the facts. Do you?
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:15 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Vazdania wrote:it doesnt


[citation needed]

oh excuse me....it is the way the truth and the life of the "spirit" of modern day christianity
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
[citation needed]

oh excuse me....it is the way the truth and the life of the "spirit" of modern day christianity


Lolnope. Until I see the majority of modern Christians stoning people. forcing rape victims to marry their rapist, etc. the Bible has no place in any modern setting. Period.
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Postby Nornalhorst » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Nornalhorst wrote:
To you it is nothing more than a myth, to the billions of followers of Christianity the Bible is truth.

And yet they don't follow it too well. I don't see many reports of people being stoned in the news. And I've seen followers of Christianity who have divorced and remarried.


Jesus doesn't tell you to stone people he even saved a woman from being stoned despite her being an adulteress, divorce is permitted in the Bible but in cases like martial infidelity. God hates to see people get divorced so its important for you to try to stick with your spouse but God knows sometimes this isn't possible so its still allowed.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
[citation needed]

oh excuse me....it is the way the truth and the life of the "spirit" of modern day christianity

No it isn't. You obviously don't know your Bible. Fuck, we atheists probably know it better than you do. How can something be the "truth and the life" if you don't even bother to look inside and read the damn thing cover-to-cover?
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Seperates wrote:
Vazdania wrote:it doesnt

Yes it does. The Bible has been proven to be self-contradictory in many places and it is historically inaccurate for much of the time. And clapping your hands on your ears is a sign of the ignoranmus who does not come to the debate to learn, but to justify his already decided opinion.

I change my opinions with the facts. Do you?

where??? furthermore your "facts" are likely personal truths.

an example

Is abortion okay? that is a personal truth, similar to an opinion, but diffrent
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Crystalcliff Point wrote:Then why does the book contain outright lies and misinformation? (consult my previous post)

it doesnt

Sure it does, it give the value of pi as 3. It says that someone can built a wooden ship big enough to carry a male and a female from every single species of animal. It says that the Hebrews travelled to Egypt and were enslaved there. They weren't. It says that the earth stopped rotating (the sun stood still in the sky) so the Israelites could win a battle. It didn't. It says that a supernatural being turned a woman to salt.

Shall I go on?
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:17 pm

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:And yet they don't follow it too well. I don't see many reports of people being stoned in the news. And I've seen followers of Christianity who have divorced and remarried.


Jesus doesn't tell you to stone people he even saved a woman from being stoned despite her being an adulteress, divorce is permitted in the Bible but in cases like martial infidelity. God hates to see people get divorced so its important for you to try to stick with your spouse but God knows sometimes this isn't possible so its still allowed.

No... Divorce is permitted thanks to Henry VIII
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Postby Central Slavia » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:17 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Seperates wrote:Which is why you keep losing. Your logic is faulty, you contradict yourself, and you have to practice a double think that would boggle even a six-year-old with a rudimentary understanding of debate.

attack on the man fallacious argument


No.
He is merely summarising the fruitless task arguing with you was up to now, since you didn't manage to prove a single of your theses.

A real Attack on the man fallacy was commited , for example by Jesus when he called for the love of your enemies, because loving your friends is something heathens do as well.
It is attempting to attack an argument via attacking the messenger , because even if the self-serving interest of the messenger oozes like pus from a bayonet wound, making it clear he supports his side merely for his own profit, his argument has to be disproven to be declared invalid.
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Postby Crystalcliff Point » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:18 pm

Vazdania wrote:it doesnt

Read my previous post then. I'll even link you to it! viewtopic.php?p=8212938#p8212938

There's a LOT of contradictions and incorrect information in the bible cited by me.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:18 pm

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So God is an animal now? :blink:

Sounds like God is a Social Darwinist *cough* Nazi *cough*.

no, thier was a suggestion that God does not have rights because he is human, animals have rights and are not human. the point is invalid

Social Darwinism is far from Nazi-ism

Social Darwinism promotes people and corperations to advance themself
whereas Nazi-ism destorys and segregates people directly
Nazi-ism is further based on the"Aryan" race. where as Social Darwinism can be used in any race or culture

^Supports Social Darwinism.
*cough* Nazi! *cough*
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:18 pm

Nornalhorst wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:And yet they don't follow it too well. I don't see many reports of people being stoned in the news. And I've seen followers of Christianity who have divorced and remarried.


Jesus doesn't tell you to stone people he even saved a woman from being stoned despite her being an adulteress, divorce is permitted in the Bible but in cases like martial infidelity. God hates to see people get divorced so its important for you to try to stick with your spouse but God knows sometimes this isn't possible so its still allowed.

I guess the Pope didn't get that memo. Isn't there something about not breaking apart something god has joined?
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:19 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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To you it is nothing more than a myth, to the billions of followers of Christianity the Bible is truth.


Really? That's why nearly all of them cherry pick the good parts of the Bible to follow while pretending like the bad parts don't exist.

there are no bad parts, except the parts where the devil, demons, and sin appears
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:no, thier was a suggestion that God does not have rights because he is human, animals have rights and are not human. the point is invalid

Social Darwinism is far from Nazi-ism

Social Darwinism promotes people and corperations to advance themself
whereas Nazi-ism destorys and segregates people directly
Nazi-ism is further based on the"Aryan" race. where as Social Darwinism can be used in any race or culture

^Supports Social Darwinism.
*cough* Nazi! *cough*

I support corperate and bussiness social darwinism, yes. Competeing to advance yourself is perfectly acceptable and should be encouraged
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Postby Crystalcliff Point » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:21 pm

Vazdania wrote:there are no bad parts, except the parts where the devil, demons, and sin appears

I'd really appreciate it if you responded to my post: viewtopic.php?p=8212938#p8212938

Before we continue that is.

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