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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:52 pm

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Postby Distruzio » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:55 pm

Crystalcliff Point wrote:
Distruzio wrote:And how is this language NOT supposed to illicit misotheist interpretations of your thought? You say you aren't misotheist yet you do not refrain from indulging in hateful language to describe him.

See, people like Chinese Regions and I don't hate gods innately. But I certainly do not consider the christian deity to be worthy of respect based solely on his actions in the OT.

Many of them are indefensibly evil. Unless child slaughter, rape and overall slaughter is okay in your books.


Did God commit those crimes? Or did his chosen people use his name to justify such atrocious behavior?
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:56 pm

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Crystalcliff Point wrote:It's not even so much that it's made metaphysically impossible. God, by being omniscient, would know everything that will happen. Such a deity would know what my next sentence will be. And why I'm typing it. And to whom. There would be no surprises.

It's even stated, in the bible, that the "God" character had ... I think the phrase used is "charted out the days of my life". Pretty much from womb to grave. Free what now?


Having a map, and know everywhere that you could go, does not mean that you will go everywhere. God, being omniscient, knows all, it is true, but that doesn't change the fact that you are the one who acts. Knowing the next sentence you type is not the same thing as preventing you from writing it.


If you exist outside of time(however the hell that's supposedly possible,) everything that is ever going to happen has already happened from your perspective. Hence, there is no choice. What's done is already done, we're just going through the motions to arrive at the future "He" already experienced.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:57 pm

Distruzio wrote:Did God commit those crimes? Or did his chosen people use his name to justify such atrocious behavior?

A little of both.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:02 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Did God commit those crimes? Or did his chosen people use his name to justify such atrocious behavior?

A little of both.

And one would think that if Yahweh disapproved, he'd have smitten one or two people until they got it.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:04 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:A little of both.

And one would think that if Yahweh disapproved, he'd have smitten one or two people until they got it.

"Ooookay ... that proves it, He really doesn't like us slaughtering innocents. Can we get a bucket brigade going or something, that fire is really flaring up."


He was certainly not averse to slaughtering millions in that hazy, distant past that nobody bothered to put a date to.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:06 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And one would think that if Yahweh disapproved, he'd have smitten one or two people until they got it.

"Ooookay ... that proves it, He really doesn't like us slaughtering innocents. Can we get a bucket brigade going or something, that fire is really flaring up."


He was certainly not averse to slaughtering millions in that hazy, distant past that nobody bothered to put a date to.

Which is what brings us to the conclusion that the God of the OT and the God of the NT cannot POSSIBLY the same person.
(assuming that the NT God is Jesus)
Of course thats without even bringing up all the evil crap God does in Revelations.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:Which is what brings us to the conclusion that the God of the OT and the God of the NT cannot POSSIBLY the same person.
Of course thats without even bringing up all the evil crap God does in Revelations.

He could be bipolar. Maybe he had a manic episode for the first few thousand years of the Old Testament?

And now he's in his depressive episode, feels like shit, doing nothing...

Or maybe Jesus never rose from the dead, and the whole thing was actually suicide by Roman?
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:10 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:(Image)

Unfortunately, xkcd already said it best.

Pretty much this. God works in mysterious ways, blah blah. Hell the holocaust and WW2 could have killed or crippled people that might have done worse.
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Postby Upper Crystaldom » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:10 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Upper Crystaldom wrote:So you're saying G-d shouldhave prevented this. How about all murders? Rapes? World hunger? Crappy sitcoms? I'm sorry but this is a statement that allows people to avoid any responsibility for their actions. People do evil things. G-d made us in his image, loved us, and provided for us. He asks one thing of us and we ignore it and get tossed outta Eden. He gave us a planet we're destroying. He gave us the ten commandments, which if adhered to, would prevent all evil. He gave us free will (perhaps the greatest gift He's given us) and of our own free will we choose to commit monstrous acts to one another. Seems to me He's already provided everything he could have to avoid the holocaust, we just act like ungrateful children who throw away their toys and have the audacity to ask for something better. Ridiculous.

Why do you censor the word god?
Also, why do you think that this god of yours made humans in its image?



The word G-d is censored because if the word is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed, which would be bad. It's a Jewish thing. The bible tells us that we were made in his image.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:11 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Which is what brings us to the conclusion that the God of the OT and the God of the NT cannot POSSIBLY the same person.
Of course thats without even bringing up all the evil crap God does in Revelations.

He could be bipolar. Maybe he had a manic episode for the first few thousand years of the Old Testament?

And now he's in his depressive episode, feels like shit, doing nothing...

Or maybe Jesus never rose from the dead, and the whole thing was actually suicide by Roman?

Suicide by Roman? :?:
Also, if God IS bi-polar, then humanity is fucked.
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:12 pm

God is our symbol of goodness. He lives in our imaginations. Therefore he is in each one of us.

The above statement covers the ideas of both Christians and pro-morals/good behaviour Atheists; and is also the only sensible way for religion to go forward. The difference of opinion lies in whether God exists as a separate entity, and that should be an unimportant difference of opinion.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:Suicide by Roman? :?:

Like suicide by cop, only with crosses and a trial beforehand. :p
Also, if God IS bi-polar, then humanity is fucked.

Not if he's dead! ;)
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:He could be bipolar. Maybe he had a manic episode for the first few thousand years of the Old Testament?

And now he's in his depressive episode, feels like shit, doing nothing...

Or maybe Jesus never rose from the dead, and the whole thing was actually suicide by Roman?

Suicide by Roman? :?:
Also, if God IS bi-polar, then humanity is fucked.

It's like suicide by cop, only before there were cops.
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Postby Crystalcliff Point » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:13 pm

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:God is our symbol of goodness. He lives in our imaginations. Therefore he is in each one of us.

The above statement covers the ideas of both Christians and pro-morals/good behaviour Atheists; and is also the only sensible way for religion to go forward. The difference of opinion lies in whether God exists as a separate entity, and that should be an unimportant difference of opinion.

God is our symbol of goodness? Slaughter is "Good" now? Never knew that.

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Upper Crystaldom wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Why do you censor the word god?
Also, why do you think that this god of yours made humans in its image?



The word G-d is censored because if the word is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed, which would be bad. It's a Jewish thing. The bible tells us that we were made in his image.

And the bible is NEVER wrong. :roll:

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Crystalcliff Point wrote:
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:God is our symbol of goodness. He lives in our imaginations. Therefore he is in each one of us.

The above statement covers the ideas of both Christians and pro-morals/good behaviour Atheists; and is also the only sensible way for religion to go forward. The difference of opinion lies in whether God exists as a separate entity, and that should be an unimportant difference of opinion.

God is our symbol of goodness? Slaughter is "Good" now? Never knew that.

Of course slaughter is good. Now excuse me, *starts up chainsaw* someone insulted MLP.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:39 pm

Upper Crystaldom wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Why do you censor the word god?
Also, why do you think that this god of yours made humans in its image?



The word G-d is censored because if the word is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed, which would be bad. It's a Jewish thing. The bible tells us that we were made in his image.

Yet I have typed it lots of times and it has not been deleted or destroyed.
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Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Upper Crystaldom wrote:

The word G-d is censored because if the word is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed, which would be bad. It's a Jewish thing. The bible tells us that we were made in his image.

Yet I have typed it lots of times and it has not been deleted or destroyed.


Perhaps it was just an expression of respect for his deity?
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Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Upper Crystaldom wrote:

The word G-d is censored because if the word is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed, which would be bad. It's a Jewish thing. The bible tells us that we were made in his image.

Yet I have typed it lots of times and it has not been deleted or destroyed.


No paper you ever produced was ever lost ? No post typed on an internet forum was ever deleted ?

You yourself must be God :o
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The Alma Mater wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Yet I have typed it lots of times and it has not been deleted or destroyed.


No paper you ever produced was ever lost ? No post typed on an internet forum was ever deleted ?

You yourself must be God :o

I mean deleted/destroyed to the extent of it being an obvious outlier. I type the world 'the' a lot, and if it is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed. Should I censor the word 'the?'
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Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
No paper you ever produced was ever lost ? No post typed on an internet forum was ever deleted ?

You yourself must be God :o

I mean deleted/destroyed to the extent of it being an obvious outlier. I type the world 'the' a lot, and if it is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed. Should I censor the word 'the?'


If you respect the word "the" and believe it has told you in its holy book that it must never be erased once written down - that might be prudent, yes.
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Postby Stronbollia » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:23 am

Well just because the holocaust to happen doesn't mean god doesn't exist. If anything maybe the bombing of pearl harbor, was gods indirect way of getting America involved in WWII and stopping the holocaust. Actually If you think about it, if the US never entered the war, the Axis would have won

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Postby Crystalcliff Point » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:31 am

Stronbollia wrote:Well just because the holocaust to happen doesn't mean god doesn't exist. If anything maybe the bombing of pearl harbor, was gods indirect way of getting America involved in WWII and stopping the holocaust. Actually If you think about it, if the US never entered the war, the Axis would have won

No, but as many have said before: It means he's malicious, incompetent or just plain apathetic.

Or that he doesn't exist.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:39 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
No paper you ever produced was ever lost ? No post typed on an internet forum was ever deleted ?

You yourself must be God :o

I mean deleted/destroyed to the extent of it being an obvious outlier. I type ██ world '██ ' a lot, and if it is typed or written it may be deleted or destroyed. Should I censor ██ word ██?'

Yes.
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