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What should be done about ACORN?

Fire the ACORN workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan
42
18%
Tell the ACORN workers not to do it again
12
5%
Charge the ACORN workers in the video with conspiracy to abet prostitution
42
18%
No crime was advanced, since there was no meeting of minds, so no conspiracy
8
3%
Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization
66
28%
Keep funding ACORN, this was an aberration
16
7%
Hands off ACORN! Racist Republicans are after them just because they support Obama!
25
11%
Who cares?
27
11%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:36 pm

The_pantless_hero wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:That isn't news, that's commentary.
By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer
I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.



ACORN "could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-federa/

Even if Bachmann wasn't universally regarded as batshit insane, the very site you are citing claims she is lying.
As shown by this fancy graphic right at the top of the story on the page you obviously didn't even go to!
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You'd think that after the first three or four times this has happened to him he would have realized that some of us actually go to his links. :p
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Postby The_pantless_hero » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:38 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:You'd think that after the first three or four times this has happened to him he would have realized that some of us actually go to his links. :p

He must assume no one else does because he doesn't.
I'm not even going to claim he doesn't read his sources. That would be an insult to people who actually visit their source page but don't read a word. It is impossible to miss a graphic at the top of the page saying "FALSE!" on a "truthometer"
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Postby Non Aligned States » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:51 pm

New Mitanni wrote:What should be done about ACORN?


The exact same thing that should be done to all Republicans for the criminal conduct of a handful. Just to be consistent of course.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:05 pm

New Mitanni wrote:ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.


Because an act by a few members of a vast nationwide organization not related to said organization's activities justifies condemning the entire organization. :palm:
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:07 pm

At least the Acorn workers in question understood trying to avoid paying taxes as much as possible.
Condoms written off a as a business expense, Genius.
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Postby New Mitanni » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:23 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
New Mitanni wrote:ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.


Because an act by a few members of a vast nationwide organization not related to said organization's activities justifies condemning the entire organization. :palm:


The two wanna-be pimpettes have just been canned:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

I'll give the Devil his due on this one.

But when you're done slapping yourself, you might want to wake up and smell the voter fraud. ACORN's problems go way beyond a few members, they go straight to the heart of an essentially corrupt and thuggish organization.

BTW: all the loudmouthed anti-Fox bigots can now apologize, since Fox clearly got the story right and reported the facts as they exist. :p
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Postby Treznor » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:51 pm

New Mitanni wrote:The two wanna-be pimpettes have just been canned:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

I'll give the Devil his due on this one.

But when you're done slapping yourself, you might want to wake up and smell the voter fraud. ACORN's problems go way beyond a few members, they go straight to the heart of an essentially corrupt and thuggish organization.

BTW: all the loudmouthed anti-Fox bigots can now apologize, since Fox clearly got the story right and reported the facts as they exist. :p

I see that you've decided to try to sidestep the ABC News article about ACORN dealing with Mickey Mouse registrations and voter registration laws in states requiring all entries be submitted even if they're clearly bogus. I shall therefore assume you're not planning on addressing it since you have nothing to refute it beyond canned partisan rhetoric.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:26 pm

New Mitanni wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
New Mitanni wrote:ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.


Because an act by a few members of a vast nationwide organization not related to said organization's activities justifies condemning the entire organization. :palm:


The two wanna-be pimpettes have just been canned:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

I'll give the Devil his due on this one.

But when you're done slapping yourself, you might want to wake up and smell the voter fraud. ACORN's problems go way beyond a few members, they go straight to the heart of an essentially corrupt and thuggish organization.

BTW: all the loudmouthed anti-Fox bigots can now apologize, since Fox clearly got the story right and reported the facts as they exist. :p

did someone say they doubted that something had happened? there is video after all.

but, as your article says, no tax forms were filled out and no actual help was given. *shrug* i would still like to hear from the workers themselves to see what they have to say about it.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:44 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
New Mitanni wrote:ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.


Because an act by a few members of a vast nationwide organization not related to said organization's activities justifies condemning the entire organization. :palm:


He does apply the exact same principle to Muslims, so it's not really a surprise from MItty.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:21 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:Because an act by a few members of a vast nationwide organization not related to said organization's activities justifies condemning the entire organization. :palm:


A vast nationwide organization that has people like that working for them probably needs some serious housecleaning to make sure no other corruption is lurking in other areas.
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Postby Sierra Lobo » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:54 am

Because an act by a few members of a vast nationwide organization not related to said organization's activities justifies condemning the entire organization. :palm:


Does this excuse them for what happened?
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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:17 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".

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Postby Sierra Lobo » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:21 am

Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.
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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:27 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


Then the answer to that is, there's nothing to excuse. The organization management didn't direct the employees to act as they did, unless you have some secret evidence to the contrary. ACORN is no more culpable for their actions as individuals than a Post Office is if one of its employees goes nuts and starts stabbing people, or a school is if a teacher gets drunk off hours.

The employees implicated, of course, cannot be excused.
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Postby Sierra Lobo » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:45 am

Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


Then the answer to that is, there's nothing to excuse. The organization management didn't direct the employees to act as they did, unless you have some secret evidence to the contrary. ACORN is no more culpable for their actions as individuals than a Post Office is if one of its employees goes nuts and starts stabbing people, or a school is if a teacher gets drunk off hours.

The employees implicated, of course, cannot be excused.


Ah I see, does this imply that this huge organization does not have oversight on the activities of their employees. Where is the sense of accountability when an organization funded by federal money has one of their employees caught condoning and abetting the breaking of laws. Should they at least take steps to do an in-house investigation?
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:54 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?
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Postby Exilia and Colonies » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:55 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?


What kind of drugs? :eyebrow: Because you can find a lot in the instore Pharmacy.
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Postby Sierra Lobo » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:58 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?


Is Walmart recieving federal money?
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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:00 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:Ah I see, does this imply that this huge organization does not have oversight on the activities of their employees.


The organizations oversight and responsibility over their employees extends only insofar as to their employees actions as employees of ACORN. It's the same with any organization anywhere.

Sierra Lobo wrote:Where is the sense of accountability when an organization funded by federal money


ACORN receives no federal funding.

Sierra Lobo wrote:has one of their employees caught condoning and abetting the breaking of laws.


Unless ACORN management directed the employees to break the laws, or said employees were acting as representatives of ACORN in breaking the law, ACORN is not culpable for their actions.

Should you be held culpable if your co-worker decides to rob a bank on his own? Or perhaps if a soldier from the federal army commits a crime, would you hold the entire military culpable since that one does take federal money?

Sierra Lobo wrote:Should they at least take steps to do an in-house investigation?


Unless there is valid reason to believe that these employees were working in conjunction with other ACORN employees towards law breaking or conspiracy thereof, what other reasoning can you offer to conduct said investigation? And if you have a valid reason of the first, do provide one.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:01 am

Exilia and Colonies wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?


What kind of drugs? :eyebrow: Because you can find a lot in the instore Pharmacy.


I wonder if Walmarts in California distribute medical marijuana.
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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:04 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I wonder if Walmarts in California distribute medical marijuana.


Pfft, Wal Mart doesn't deal with sissy soft drugs. Marijuana just puts you on a trip. They deal in hard stuff. Their top seller is consumerism. More addictive than crack cocaine. Once you get a taste, you're hooked onto it, going into debt just to get that next hit. :p

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:05 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?


Is Walmart recieving federal money?


what did acorn do that requires action?

2 workers fell for a scam. they were fired.

according to NM's link "Williams said no tax returns were filed and no assistance was provided" so acorn itself did nothing wrong. it didnt go beyond these 2 women. what other action is needed?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:20 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


Then the answer to that is, there's nothing to excuse. The organization management didn't direct the employees to act as they did, unless you have some secret evidence to the contrary. ACORN is no more culpable for their actions as individuals than a Post Office is if one of its employees goes nuts and starts stabbing people, or a school is if a teacher gets drunk off hours.

The employees implicated, of course, cannot be excused.


Ah I see, does this imply that this huge organization does not have oversight on the activities of their employees. Where is the sense of accountability when an organization funded by federal money has one of their employees caught condoning and abetting the breaking of laws. Should they at least take steps to do an in-house investigation?

What evidence is there that this could have been prevented by ACORN? Because if this came about by some failing on the part of the organisation then there should be an investigation.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:26 am

Sierra Lobo wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?


Is Walmart recieving federal money?


Congress is. Shall we explore their legal peccadilloes?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:26 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Sierra Lobo wrote:Does this excuse them for what happened?


Please define "them".


ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.


If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?


Is Walmart recieving federal money?


what did acorn do that requires action?

2 workers fell for a scam sting. they were fired.

according to NM's link "Williams said no tax returns were filed and no assistance was provided" so acorn itself did nothing wrong. it didnt go beyond these 2 women. what other action is needed?

It is not they fell for a scam it is that they went along with it, aiding and abetting it.

Like I said before those ladies knowledge at evading taxes is good. If I were to start an accounting firm for big business Id hire these ladies. If the charity organization fired you come to big business we will treat you better.
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