ACORN and Prostitution

[Sibirsky]

ACORN AND LIBERALS ARE EVIL

Love the flag

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

The point is the organization is corrupt, and taxpayers should not be expected to fund it.

Under that standard, we shouldn't be funding the U.S. government either.

[Free Soviets]

ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.

1. Although the videotape is clearly heavily edited, the conduct of the two ACORN staffers is indefensible. They should be fired.

2. ACORN has some 1,200 offices. The "filmmaker" allegedly shopped around to find staffers that acted inappropriately. It is utterly ridiculous to smear ACORN based on the actions of two staffers.

3. The voter fraud in question WAS REPORTED TO THE AUTHORITIES BY ACORN. Not part of some conspiracy by ACORN.

4. ACORN's activities are not funded by federal tax dollars. ACORN has never recieved direct aid from the federal government. A few times other organizations recieving federal funds have hired ACORN to perform specific services. These services, such as lead paint removal, have nothing to do with voter registration.

commie

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Fire the acorn workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan.
Keep funding ACORN, this was just an aberration.

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization. Even if it wasn't, why should taxpayers be expected to fund this?

Probably for the same reason they're expected to fund Blackwater and Halliburton.

LG, are you deliberately trying to be obtuse or do you actually think that's a valid analogy? Because you've got big problems either way.

I'm just saying that if accusations of corruption is enough, why only focus one company with accusations of corruption? Why not focus on companies that actually are corrupt? For example; guess who got fined in the early 1990s for selling pulse neutron generators to Libya in the early 1990s? I'll give you a hint; their name rhymes with Walliburton. *nod* http://www.allbusiness.com/government/g ... 553-1.html

But I can see why the government would want to distance itself from corrupt companies.

And I say you're bending over backwards not to criticize an organization that works on your side of the political spectrum.

If you say the video is phony, produce evidence to support that charge. Otherwise, deal with the facts as they've been presented.

ACORN should be put out of business under the RICO Act at the very least.

I don't have a political spectrum. I AM a political spectrum. I'm actually accusing YOU of bending over backwards not to criticize an organization that works on your side of the political spectrum. What I'm saying is that one of us doesn't think the US government should do business with companies that have been successfully prosecuted for breaking federal law and the other of us thinks that accusations alone are enough.... as long as they don't like the company.

Guess which one you are?

[Sibirsky]

The point is the organization is corrupt, and taxpayers should not be expected to fund it.

Under that standard, we shouldn't be funding the U.S. government either.

I would love to cut their funding.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization.

If that's proven in a court of law I'll actually agree with you.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Having read the alleged transcript, it makes clear that the video is heavily edited. Things are taken out of context. Things are rearranged timewise (i.e, things that were said near the end are put at the front, etc).

Nonetheless, these two ACORN staffers were way out of line.

[Sibirsky]

ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.

1. Although the videotape is clearly heavily edited, the conduct of the two ACORN staffers is indefensible. They should be fired.

2. ACORN has some 1,200 offices. The "filmmaker" allegedly shopped around to find staffers that acted inappropriately. It is utterly ridiculous to smear ACORN based on the actions of two staffers.

3. The voter fraud in question WAS REPORTED TO THE AUTHORITIES BY ACORN. Not part of some conspiracy by ACORN.

4. ACORN's activities are not funded by federal tax dollars. ACORN has never recieved direct aid from the federal government. A few times other organizations recieving federal funds have hired ACORN to perform specific services. These services, such as lead paint removal, have nothing to do with voter registration.

ACORN got $53 million in federal funds since 94, now eligible for up to $8 billion more

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 06217.html

[Ashmoria]

Having read the alleged transcript, it makes clear that the video is heavily edited. Things are taken out of context. Things are rearranged timewise (i.e, things that were said near the end are put at the front, etc).

Nonetheless, these two ACORN staffers were way out of line.

i am hoping that they get a chance to tell their side. the bit of video i saw on foxnews this morning was so....the "investigator" was as unconvincing a pimp as ive seen outside a borat movie...that i wonder what they thought they were doing.

not that it cant be exactly as portrayed. they were giving info to a man who was asking for info...

[Lunatic Goofballs]

ACORN workers in Baltimore have been captured on video assisting an undercover investigator posing as a man trying to set up a child-prostitution operation using under-age Salvadoran illegal aliens:

http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/

Your eyes are not deceiving you: ACORN workers encouraged disguising the child prostitutes as “exchange students.” This, following numerous criminal cases pending against the group for voter fraud and other offenses. For example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 ... d-charges/

ACORN has received millions in federal tax dollars to fund its activities, and is in line to receive millions more.

What should be done about ACORN?

Edit: corrected the link. Should work now. Also added a voter-fraud case link.

1. Although the videotape is clearly heavily edited, the conduct of the two ACORN staffers is indefensible. They should be fired.

2. ACORN has some 1,200 offices. The "filmmaker" allegedly shopped around to find staffers that acted inappropriately. It is utterly ridiculous to smear ACORN based on the actions of two staffers.

3. The voter fraud in question WAS REPORTED TO THE AUTHORITIES BY ACORN. Not part of some conspiracy by ACORN.

4. ACORN's activities are not funded by federal tax dollars. ACORN has never recieved direct aid from the federal government. A few times other organizations recieving federal funds have hired ACORN to perform specific services. These services, such as lead paint removal, have nothing to do with voter registration.

ACORN got $53 million in federal funds since 94, now eligible for up to $8 billion more

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 06217.html

That isn't news, that's commentary.

By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer

I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.

[Sibirsky]

That isn't news, that's commentary.

By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer

I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.

ACORN "could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-federa/

Boehner Releases Analysis Showing ACORN Has Received at Least $31 Million in Federal Funding; Untold Millions More through State & Local Agencies

http://republicanleader.house.gov/news/ ... tID=104821


Boehner and Bachman lying?

[Treznor]

Maybe because it defeats the purpose of a representative democracy if people don't vote? Of course, they can't vote if they're not registered, which is the purpose of ACORN in the first place: to get people registered among demographics that traditionally have low voter turnout.

ACORN has been vilified and misrepresented by the Right for some time now. Why are we supposed to take these accusations seriously?

You mean signing up the Dallas Cowboys team to vote in Nevada? Or Mickey Mouse and Daffey Duck? Yes, I can see how CARTOON characters have low voter turnout. What, without this organization people do not realize that they are eligible to vote? Perhaps we should have compulsory voting like elsewhere? Again, I do not see why this organization should be taxpayer funded.

I'm still not seeing anything here to take seriously. Got any documentation for these accusations? How about some documentation about what ACORN does and what restrictions it operates under?

ACORN has said the "vast majority" of its workers are conscientious, but some might have turned in duplicate applications or provided fake information to pad their pay. Workers caught submitting false information have been fired, ACORN officials say.

ACORN says laws in a number of states require it to submit all registration cards it collects even dubious ones, so its workers segregate applications with missing, suspicious or false information and flag them so state election officials can quickly check them further.

So again, I return to my original question: ACORN has been vilified and misrepresented by the Right for some time now. Why are we supposed to take these accusations seriously?

[Free Soviets]

Boehner and Bachman lying?

unsurprisingly, yes. fairly obviously, too. which is why one of your own links said so. at both the top and bottom of the story, just so you couldn't miss it. there was a graphic of a truth-o-meter, needle pegged at false and everything...

[Lunatic Goofballs]

That isn't news, that's commentary.

By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer

I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.

ACORN "could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-federa/

Boehner Releases Analysis Showing ACORN Has Received at Least $31 Million in Federal Funding; Untold Millions More through State & Local Agencies

http://republicanleader.house.gov/news/ ... tID=104821


Boehner and Bachman lying?

The first one:

The Truth-o-meter says FALSE

Don't you read your links? You just showed proof you were wrong.

The second one:

A review of the Federal Register shows that ACORN affiliates in 11 states received more than $31 million in federal funds from 1998 to 2008

So John Boehner is upset that Acorn received federal funding...from himself.

[The Cat-Tribe]

That isn't news, that's commentary.

By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer

I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.

ACORN "could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-federa/

Boehner Releases Analysis Showing ACORN Has Received at Least $31 Million in Federal Funding; Untold Millions More through State & Local Agencies

http://republicanleader.house.gov/news/ ... tID=104821


Boehner and Bachman lying?

Yes and no. A little more research on my part reveals both sides are playing fast and loose with the facts.

ACORN proper hasn't received federal money.

Affiliates of ACORN have received federal grant money for specific purposes over the last 15 years or so.

[Intangelon]

Fire the acorn workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan.
Keep funding ACORN, this was just an aberration.

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization. Even if it wasn't, why should taxpayers be expected to fund this?

Maybe because it defeats the purpose of a representative democracy if people don't vote? Of course, they can't vote if they're not registered, which is the purpose of ACORN in the first place: to get people registered among demographics that traditionally have low voter turnout.

ACORN has been vilified and misrepresented by the Right for some time now. Why are we supposed to take these accusations seriously?

You mean signing up the Dallas Cowboys team to vote in Nevada? Or Mickey Mouse and Daffey Duck? Yes, I can see how CARTOON characters have low voter turnout. What, without this organization people do not realize that they are eligible to vote? Perhaps we should have compulsory voting like elsewhere? Again, I do not see why this organization should be taxpayer funded.

Legitimate source?

[Treznor]

Fire the acorn workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan.
Keep funding ACORN, this was just an aberration.

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization. Even if it wasn't, why should taxpayers be expected to fund this?

Maybe because it defeats the purpose of a representative democracy if people don't vote? Of course, they can't vote if they're not registered, which is the purpose of ACORN in the first place: to get people registered among demographics that traditionally have low voter turnout.

ACORN has been vilified and misrepresented by the Right for some time now. Why are we supposed to take these accusations seriously?

You mean signing up the Dallas Cowboys team to vote in Nevada? Or Mickey Mouse and Daffey Duck? Yes, I can see how CARTOON characters have low voter turnout. What, without this organization people do not realize that they are eligible to vote? Perhaps we should have compulsory voting like elsewhere? Again, I do not see why this organization should be taxpayer funded.

Legitimate source?

ABC News seems to have a surprisingly fair report on the FBI investigation into ACORN and ACORN's response to the Right Wing smear campaign.

[Farnhamia]

Fire the acorn workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan.
Keep funding ACORN, this was just an aberration.

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization. Even if it wasn't, why should taxpayers be expected to fund this?

Maybe because it defeats the purpose of a representative democracy if people don't vote? Of course, they can't vote if they're not registered, which is the purpose of ACORN in the first place: to get people registered among demographics that traditionally have low voter turnout.

ACORN has been vilified and misrepresented by the Right for some time now. Why are we supposed to take these accusations seriously?

You mean signing up the Dallas Cowboys team to vote in Nevada? Or Mickey Mouse and Daffey Duck? Yes, I can see how CARTOON characters have low voter turnout. What, without this organization people do not realize that they are eligible to vote? Perhaps we should have compulsory voting like elsewhere? Again, I do not see why this organization should be taxpayer funded.

Legitimate source?

ABC News seems to have a surprisingly fair report on the FBI investigation into ACORN and ACORN's response to the Right Wing smear campaign.

Dishonest Liberal Media. *nod*

[Treznor]

Legitimate source?

ABC News seems to have a surprisingly fair report on the FBI investigation into ACORN and ACORN's response to the Right Wing smear campaign.

Dishonest Liberal Media. *nod*

I know. How dare they allow ACORN to respond to these unassailable accusations! It's a clear demonstration of Liberal bias!

[Free Soviets]

the fact that right-wingers are fucking lunatics

Careful FS, a general statement like this is probably against the rules, also it's probably a little American centric, as a right winger means different things depending on where you are and who you talk with (from religious fundamentalists to purely an economic thing).

i'll cop to it being USian-centric. but it largely holds here, no matter what stripe our right-wingers claim. see, for example, 'anarcho'-capitalists who are so desperate to believe that ACORN is the devil that they will cite articles arguing that winger lies are lies as backup for thinking said lies to be true.

[Gauthier]

Legitimate source?

ABC News seems to have a surprisingly fair report on the FBI investigation into ACORN and ACORN's response to the Right Wing smear campaign.

Dishonest Liberal Media. *nod*

I know. How dare they allow ACORN to respond to these unassailable accusations! It's a clear demonstration of Liberal bias!

IOKIYAR is the Acronym of the... well, a pretty long time period.

[Jello Biafra]

Fire the acorn workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan.
Keep funding ACORN, this was just an aberration.

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization. Even if it wasn't, why should taxpayers be expected to fund this?

Well, aiding child prostution isn't what ACORN's main activities are. What ACORN does - voter registration, etc., needs to go on and be funded.

Do you see anything about prostitution in my statement? The point is the organization is corrupt, and taxpayers should not be expected to fund it.

The prostitution is the only evidence that the organization is corrupt that has been presented.

[Farnhamia]

Fire the acorn workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan.
Keep funding ACORN, this was just an aberration.

Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization. Even if it wasn't, why should taxpayers be expected to fund this?

Well, aiding child prostution isn't what ACORN's main activities are. What ACORN does - voter registration, etc., needs to go on and be funded.

Do you see anything about prostitution in my statement? The point is the organization is corrupt, and taxpayers should not be expected to fund it.

The prostitution is the only evidence that the organization is corrupt that has been presented.

And even what was presented is hardly an indictment of the entire organization. Apparently the producer of that hidden-camera sting shopped around to more than a few ACORN offices before he found those people on the tape. And the tape is heavily edited, too.

[The Norse Hordes]

That isn't news, that's commentary.

By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer

I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.

ACORN "could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-federa/

Boehner Releases Analysis Showing ACORN Has Received at Least $31 Million in Federal Funding; Untold Millions More through State & Local Agencies

http://republicanleader.house.gov/news/ ... tID=104821


Boehner and Bachman lying?

Yes. Yes they are. Your first source says so. Right there.

Youre done here.

[The_pantless_hero]

That isn't news, that's commentary.

By: Kevin Mooney
Commentary Staff Writer

I also see no independent sourcing in that commentary.

ACORN "could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-federa/

Even if Bachmann wasn't universally regarded as batshit insane, the very site you are citing claims she is lying.
As shown by this fancy graphic right at the top of the story on the page you obviously didn't even go to!