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What should be done about ACORN?

Fire the ACORN workers who attempted to assist the undercover investigator's plan
42
18%
Tell the ACORN workers not to do it again
12
5%
Charge the ACORN workers in the video with conspiracy to abet prostitution
42
18%
No crime was advanced, since there was no meeting of minds, so no conspiracy
8
3%
Cut off all federal funding of ACORN activities, it’s a corrupt organization
66
28%
Keep funding ACORN, this was an aberration
16
7%
Hands off ACORN! Racist Republicans are after them just because they support Obama!
25
11%
Who cares?
27
11%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:42 am

Republicans have known for some time that this bill would cut off funding for any organization employing a single individual simply indicted by any AG anywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHQ3cN47Mkc

(Apparently Bachmann is proud enough of this interview to put it on youtube)
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Postby Treznor » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:06 am

Glenn Greenwald makes a point of getting to the heart of things like this, so he did an interview with Representative Grayson (ten minutes in length). He prefaces it with this:
Glenn Greenwald wrote:Before being elected to Congress, Grayson worked extensively on uncovering and combating defense contractor fraud in Iraq, and I asked him to put into context ACORN's impact on the American taxpayer versus these corrupt defense contractors. His reply: "The amount of money that ACORN has received in the past 20 years altogether is roughly equal to what the taxpayer paid to Haillburton each day during the war in Iraq."

Food for thought.

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Postby Jocabia » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:52 pm

Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:54 pm

Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.


Nope... I've even been keeping a running tab.... NM's overall debate score is goose-eggs...
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:02 pm

Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.

Don't tell me you're surprised by this...
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:09 pm

Aperture Science wrote:
Treznor wrote:Whoops.

So it seems that the anti-ACORN bill being pushed through Congress is a little too broad. It seems that it seeks to defund "any organization that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things."

Which apparently includes the majority of the military-industrial complex. The article points out that Lockheed Martin and Northrop Gumman both have at least twenty violations between them, and the longer list includes pretty much everyone who supplies our military. Halliburton, Blackwater/XE, etc.

But it's ACORN that's the real threat to our nation, right?


Oh, if only it had gotten passed before this had been pointed out...

EDIT:
I wonder how the Republicans will extract themselves from this one. They can't just say 'Oh, all is forgiven' and any obvious modification to the bill to exclude certain parties will HOPEFULLY not go unnoticed...at least, I HOPE the American public isn't THAT stupid and shortsighted.

EDIT AGAIN:
I was browsing the list of federal contractors accused of misconduct when I came upon...
The government of Canada!

http://www.contractormisconduct.org/ind ... ranking=69

Bad Canadians! No more federal $$$ for you! We'll supply our OWN maple syrup, hockey and moose's from now on! :lol2:

Lets just nationalize Canada.
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Postby Non Aligned States » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:00 pm

Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.


Oh, he'll come back, on a different thread, beating the same drum and pretend this one didn't exist.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:49 pm

Non Aligned States wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.


Oh, he'll come back, on a different thread, beating the same drum and pretend this one didn't exist.


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Postby Conservative Ad Droid » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:02 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.


Oh, he'll come back, on a different thread, beating the same drum and pretend this one didn't exist.


As vigilant and determined a crusader always, while the Eye of Obama burns brightly over Mordor, D.C. :D


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Postby NERVUN » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:24 pm

greed and death wrote:
Aperture Science wrote:
Treznor wrote:Whoops.

So it seems that the anti-ACORN bill being pushed through Congress is a little too broad. It seems that it seeks to defund "any organization that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things."

Which apparently includes the majority of the military-industrial complex. The article points out that Lockheed Martin and Northrop Gumman both have at least twenty violations between them, and the longer list includes pretty much everyone who supplies our military. Halliburton, Blackwater/XE, etc.

But it's ACORN that's the real threat to our nation, right?


Oh, if only it had gotten passed before this had been pointed out...

EDIT:
I wonder how the Republicans will extract themselves from this one. They can't just say 'Oh, all is forgiven' and any obvious modification to the bill to exclude certain parties will HOPEFULLY not go unnoticed...at least, I HOPE the American public isn't THAT stupid and shortsighted.

EDIT AGAIN:
I was browsing the list of federal contractors accused of misconduct when I came upon...
The government of Canada!

http://www.contractormisconduct.org/ind ... ranking=69

Bad Canadians! No more federal $$$ for you! We'll supply our OWN maple syrup, hockey and moose's from now on! :lol2:

Lets just nationalize Canada.

Tried that once, didn't go over too well. :p
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Postby Aperture Science » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:53 pm

NERVUN wrote:
greed and death wrote:Lets just nationalize Canada.

Tried that once, didn't go over too well. :p

But this time the British are on OUR side ;)
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Postby Jocabia » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:06 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.


Oh, he'll come back, on a different thread, beating the same drum and pretend this one didn't exist.


As vigilant and determined a crusader always, while the Eye of Obama burns brightly over Mordor, D.C. :D

It should be noted that NM has been around with some regularity since this information surfaced.

I take it as a positive sign because it shows that he recognizes that his point has been adequately been shown to be bullshit.
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Postby Treznor » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:11 pm

Jocabia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:
Jocabia wrote:Am I the only one who noticed that NM abandoned yet another thread when the evidence turned against him.


Oh, he'll come back, on a different thread, beating the same drum and pretend this one didn't exist.


As vigilant and determined a crusader always, while the Eye of Obama burns brightly over Mordor, D.C. :D

It should be noted that NM has been around with some regularity since this information surfaced.

I take it as a positive sign because it shows that he recognizes that his point has been adequately been shown to be bullshit.

I don't know about positive, but he did abandon this thread and started a new one.

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