ACORN and Prostitution

[Lunatic Goofballs]

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From your own article;

"That seems to go way too far. First of all, a Justice Department spokeswoman told the Independent it has obtained an injunction prohibiting the man who brandished the night stick from doing so again, and added: "The top career attorneys in the Civil Rights Division determined that the facts and the law did not support pursuing the claims against three of the defendants."

Also, it's not obvious why the Obama DOJ would feel compelled to intervene on behalf of a group of fringe activists -- the New Black Panthers don't even have a formal tie to the Black Panther party that became famous in the 1960s -- or in what sense the men can even be considered "political allies."

Finally, it's not clear who the men sought to intimidate. As Weigel wrote, Obama won the precinct over McCain by 596 to 13. In 2004 and 2000, George W. Bush won 24 and 8 votes respectively. So the intimidation effort doesn't seem too have been too well targeted."

[Treznor]

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... panthe.php

From your own article;

"That seems to go way too far. First of all, a Justice Department spokeswoman told the Independent it has obtained an injunction prohibiting the man who brandished the night stick from doing so again, and added: "The top career attorneys in the Civil Rights Division determined that the facts and the law did not support pursuing the claims against three of the defendants."

Also, it's not obvious why the Obama DOJ would feel compelled to intervene on behalf of a group of fringe activists -- the New Black Panthers don't even have a formal tie to the Black Panther party that became famous in the 1960s -- or in what sense the men can even be considered "political allies."

Finally, it's not clear who the men sought to intimidate. As Weigel wrote, Obama won the precinct over McCain by 596 to 13. In 2004 and 2000, George W. Bush won 24 and 8 votes respectively. So the intimidation effort doesn't seem too have been too well targeted."

This is called the "shotgun smear." Throw everything you can possibly find at someone in the hopes that something will stick.

[Free Soviets]

how about them fake votes?

What fake votes? There were fake registrations, but unless people actually showed up and claimed to be Mickey Mouse, there were no fake votes.

care to explain why a hand full of countys had more votes than population?

let's assume that all of these cases actually were instances of voter fraud. and let's further assume all of the fraud was aimed in one direction. unless you had tens of thousands of extra votes concentrated in exactly the right states, nothing changes on the presidential level. and even then, it wouldn't flip enough things to matter except if the race was already essentially a tie. so why fucking bother? doing this would require a massive conspiracy, and it doesn't actually accomplish anything most of the time even if you got away with it.

the right-wing nutjobs' acorn vote fraud conspiracy is both implausible and ineffective. why would anyone bother doing something so likely to get caught that doesn't even have a realistic chance of paying off? there are much better ways to rig a vote for anything larger than small town mayor. for example, electronically messing with the counting totals. or having your guys on the supreme court declare that vote counting is done when it is favorable to you to do so...

[Phenia]

OMG! They're trying to help catch child predators! Those bastards!

PS: Link not working.

Assisting an undercover investigator? Those fuckers. Those fucking fuckers.

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I do not think this means what Mitanni thinks it means. *nod*

/thread.

[New Mitanni]

Looks like Baltimore wasn't the only pimp training ground run by ACORN:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

This one's in Washington DC. Why am I not surprised?

One incident may be an aberration. Two is a pattern.

[Treznor]

Looks like Baltimore wasn't the only pimp training ground run by ACORN:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

This one's in Washington DC. Why am I not surprised?

One incident may be an aberration. Two is a pattern.

Careful there, Miti. Your desperation is showing.

[Phenia]

Looks like Baltimore wasn't the only pimp training ground run by ACORN:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

This one's in Washington DC. Why am I not surprised?

One incident may be an aberration. Two is a pattern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

[Ashmoria]

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what does this have to do with acorn?

keep to the topic. if you want to talk generally about election irregularities start a new thread.

[Treznor]

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what does this have to do with acorn?

keep to the topic. if you want to talk generally about election irregularities start a new thread.

Because that's what this is really about: discrediting an organization that helps promote voting among lower income demographics. Higher voter turnout tends to hurt the GOP, so people who support the GOP have been trying to discredit ACORN for a while. This is their latest attempt.

[Ashmoria]

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what does this have to do with acorn?

keep to the topic. if you want to talk generally about election irregularities start a new thread.

Because that's what this is really about: discrediting an organization that helps promote voting among lower income demographics. Higher voter turnout tends to hurt the GOP, so people who support the GOP have been trying to discredit ACORN for a while. This is their latest attempt.

this is the real reason that republicans hate acorn. they register low income voters who tend to vote democratic.

the republican party's most successful tactic for winning national elections has been in voter supression for the past decade or so. without that, how can a minority party ever win?

[Everyone Loves Cats]

Looks like Baltimore wasn't the only pimp training ground run by ACORN:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

This one's in Washington DC. Why am I not surprised?

One incident may be an aberration. Two is a pattern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

How is two different offices, two different sets of employees getting caught at the exact same thing not a pattern?

[Phenia]

Looks like Baltimore wasn't the only pimp training ground run by ACORN:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

This one's in Washington DC. Why am I not surprised?

One incident may be an aberration. Two is a pattern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

How is two different offices, two different sets of employees getting caught at the exact same thing not a pattern?

That's a loaded question. It isn't "the exact same thing." And two does not make a "pattern." Here, see if you can determine what the pattern I'm using in these two numbers and figure out what the third number in the pattern must be.

1,1

[Sitspot]

How is two different offices, two different sets of employees getting caught at the exact same thing not a pattern?

So because Mark Foley(R),Larry Craig(R),Bob Allen (R) and Glenn Murphy Jnr (R) were all involved in gay sex scandals that establishes a pattern? And does that mean that the entire Republican Party is simply a gay sex society ?
To be fair, It would likely be a better world if that was true.

[Allbeama]

Because editing doesn't exist at all. This is a damn joke.

[Non Aligned States]

How is two different offices, two different sets of employees getting caught at the exact same thing not a pattern?

Several Republican politicians have been caught in corruption scandals. And a few other things. Clearly it is a pattern for all Republican politicians. I suppose this means that all Republicans are un-Christian, gay, drug taking, prostitute using nepotists doesn't it?

I mean, if we're going to be consistent about this sort of thing.

[Meoton]

how about them fake votes?

What fake votes? There were fake registrations, but unless people actually showed up and claimed to be Mickey Mouse, there were no fake votes.

care to explain why a hand full of countys had more votes than population?

Electronic voting machines. Why do you think the GOP got so many votes.

[Kogler]

Several Republican politicians have been caught in corruption scandals. And a few other things. Clearly it is a pattern for all Republican politicians. I suppose this means that all Republicans are un-Christian, gay, drug taking, prostitute using nepotists doesn't it?

I mean, if we're going to be consistent about this sort of thing.

Hmm…. Outside of the drug taking (but who knows?) you sound like you are describing democratic Congressman Barney Frank.

But all this proves is that there is corruption on both sides - and this corruption extends all the way to the to the current “president”. obama is a big supporter of ACORN…remember?

And guess what organization obama has slated to receive a hefty subsidy from the so-called “stimulus bill”? Why ACORN, of course. And for what? To show how to use tax dollars to set up a brothel using underage illegal aliens and get around paying taxes?

[JuNii]

OMG! They're trying to help catch child predators! Those bastards!

PS: Link not working.

Assisting an undercover investigator? Those fuckers. Those fucking fuckers.

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I do not think this means what Mitanni thinks it means. *nod*

/thread.

actually, not. apparently, the undercover investigators entered the ACORN offices and THEY [the investigators] were posing as a pimp and prostitute and the ACORN workers were telling them how to set it up and what tax codes to use and other tax advice.

While those four (two per office involved) and an administrator were fired... it does beg to question how many other brothels with underaged kids were set up?

Edit: on the good news for Acorn...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/10/ ... stitution/

Scott Levenson, a spokesman at ACORN's national offices said, "The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at 'gotcha journalism.'

"This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further," Levenson said.

now this kinda points that it may be an isolated incident and may not reflect on the organization as a whole.

[Everyone Loves Cats]

How is two different offices, two different sets of employees getting caught at the exact same thing not a pattern?

Several Republican politicians have been caught in corruption scandals. And a few other things. Clearly it is a pattern for all Republican politicians. I suppose this means that all Republicans are un-Christian, gay, drug taking, prostitute using nepotists doesn't it?

I mean, if we're going to be consistent about this sort of thing.

I would indeed say it was a pattern that republicans were caught in corruption scandals. They are politicians aren't they? Of course that applies equally to Democrats as well.

[You-Gi-Owe]

President B. O., "See you later, Honey. I'm just going down to the local A.C.O.R.N. office."

First Lady M. O., "Oh No You Ain't!"

[Non Aligned States]

But all this proves is that there is corruption on both sides - and this corruption extends all the way to the to the current “president”. obama is a big supporter of ACORN…remember?

When you demand all Republicans be put on trial, regardless of actual guilt, you can talk. Until then, you've got nothing but horseshit. But that's common behavior for partisan hackery that has no relation to basic things like reality right?

And guess what organization obama has slated to receive a hefty subsidy from the so-called “stimulus bill”? Why ACORN, of course.

Prove it.

[Non Aligned States]

I would indeed say it was a pattern that republicans were caught in corruption scandals. They are politicians aren't they? Of course that applies equally to Democrats as well.

So will you demand that the entire Republican party be put through a thorough house cleaning motion with as much vigor as you demand to be put forth for ACORN? Well? Or will you merely make a few platitudes and then go straight back to partisan poo flinging?

[Everyone Loves Cats]

I would indeed say it was a pattern that republicans were caught in corruption scandals. They are politicians aren't they? Of course that applies equally to Democrats as well.

So will you demand that the entire Republican party be put through a thorough house cleaning motion with as much vigor as you demand to be put forth for ACORN? Well? Or will you merely make a few platitudes and then go straight back to partisan poo flinging?

Personally I have yet to find a politician who wasn't in it for themselves first and foremost. So yes, I would like a house cleaning of Republicans as well as Democrats.

As for your post, I don't believe I put any "vigor" in demanding in anything regarding ACORN. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else, or perhaps you believe that if I object to the kinds of actions portrayed in those videos I must also participate in "partisan poo flinging"?

[Non Aligned States]

Personally I have yet to find a politician who wasn't in it for themselves first and foremost. So yes, I would like a house cleaning of Republicans as well as Democrats.

So long as you're consistent.

[New Mitanni]

Well, well, well, now it's up to THREE: ACORN in Brooklyn joins the pimp-advice business:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/broo ... ZhAEehLhmL

ACORN needs to be crushed, ground up and fed to livestock. That, or subject to RICO prosecution.