ACORN and Prostitution

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Does this excuse them for what happened?

Please define "them".

ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.

If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?

Is Walmart recieving federal money?

Actually yes, Walmart gets both federal and local money.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Does this excuse them for what happened?

Please define "them".

ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.

If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?

Is Walmart recieving federal money?

Actually yes, Walmart gets both federal and local money.

I couldn't find anything direct other than obvious ones like WIC. Walmart is being sued however for WIC fraud. Apparently some Walmarts in Oklahoma have been recording higher prices for purchased goods than they were actually charging. In other words, they were charging WIC customers higher prices in order to receive more federal money.

[Greed and Death]

Does this excuse them for what happened?

Please define "them".

ACORN .... though they are a big organization, the people that were implicated were their employees.

If a couple drug dealers work at Walmart, is the whole company a drug distribution ring?

Is Walmart recieving federal money?

Actually yes, Walmart gets both federal and local money.

I couldn't find anything direct other than obvious ones like WIC. Walmart is being sued however for WIC fraud. Apparently some Walmarts in Oklahoma have been recording higher prices for purchased goods than they were actually charging. In other words, they were charging WIC customers higher prices in order to receive more federal money.

They do get exemptions to local taxes in a lot of cases, but that's not so much receiving money as not paying it.

[Tekania]

Let me see, so a video clip is aired on Glen Beck, proposed by some girl, which is then heavily edited, and in fact mentions nothing during the edit about prostitution... I am then supposed to believe these allegations? From a woman who was "Jogging one day, saw ACORN, and decided she had to take them down" (Most likely because they were black... and she is a racist bitch) and who has also apparently befriended Glen Beck (Which reduces her credibility even more than merely being a racist bitch)...

Nope, don't like it... Not good enough...

[Treznor]

I wish I could find the source where a GOP strategist in the early 70s points out that low voter turnout benefits Republicans, and high voter turnout usually results in Democratic victories. That's why ACORN is so controversial: both parties recognize why they do or do not want voters showing up at the polls during elections. It explains why ACORN is favored by Democrats and hated by Republicans. The irony? The democratic process works best when you have high voter turnout. You can't claim proper representation without a majority of the population voting.

Of course, people who favor low voter turnout can't officially say they want people to stay home. That would be admitting they don't believe in democracy. So they attack the means by which we encourage people to vote, claim the organizations promoting voter registration are corrupt, "suggest" that people who are behind on taxes or aren't native-born could be arrested when they show up to vote.

Honestly? If the circumstances were reversed and high voter turnout favored Republicans, Democrats would be attacking ACORN and Republicans would be defending it. I acknowledge that neither party has the moral high ground when it comes to campaigning for votes. But this is what we have now, and the GOP has been guilty of voter suppression for the last five elections at least. I know they were guilty of it when they passed "Jim Crow" laws in the South requiring written tests for voters, knowing that uneducated blacks would be most affected by them.

Let's stop bickering over what ACORN is and start focusing on what ACORN does: they encourage people to vote. If high voter turnout usually means losses for your party, then the smartest thing would be to figure out why, and correct the problem internally. Discouraging people from voting is, fundamentally, un-democratic.

[Ordo Mallus]

Let's stop bickering over what ACORN is and start focusing on what ACORN does: they encourage people to vote. If high voter turnout usually means losses for your party, then the smartest thing would be to figure out why, and correct the problem internally. Discouraging people from voting is, fundamentally, un-democratic.

way to change the subject, but since were on it, how about them fake votes?

[Treznor]

Let's stop bickering over what ACORN is and start focusing on what ACORN does: they encourage people to vote. If high voter turnout usually means losses for your party, then the smartest thing would be to figure out why, and correct the problem internally. Discouraging people from voting is, fundamentally, un-democratic.

way to change the subject, but since were on it, how about them fake votes?

That is the subject. Right Wingers have been trying to discredit ACORN ever since the 2008 election started heating up, and this is just the latest attempt to discredit it. Two ACORN workers engaged in unrelated illegal activity does not demonstrate that ACORN is engaging in prostitution or whatever. It's a smear campaign, pure and simple. So let's move past the smears and discuss the real issue: voter registration.

What about those fake voter registrations? They have to submit them anyway, by law. They flag them when they identify suspected fake registrations, but many states require them to submit them anyway, and they have no choice but to comply with local election laws. The problem identified is that some workers try to pad their commissions by submitting fake registrations, and those workers get fired when they're discovered.

But that's just the Free Market at work, right?

[Ordo Mallus]

the free market is much different than voter fraud, like compairing a liberal to a school of fish, oo wait...

[Treznor]

the free market is much different than voter fraud, like compairing a liberal to a school of fish, oo wait...

[snort]

Of course it is. They're using Free Market principles to get people willing to canvas for voter registration, and they do it by offering payment based on the number of registrations obtained. The profit motive then encourages people to be dishonest, which forces the organization to fire them when they discover the fraud.

Sounds like the Free Market to me.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Let's stop bickering over what ACORN is and start focusing on what ACORN does: they encourage people to vote. If high voter turnout usually means losses for your party, then the smartest thing would be to figure out why, and correct the problem internally. Discouraging people from voting is, fundamentally, un-democratic.

way to change the subject, but since were on it, how about them fake votes?

What fake votes? There were fake registrations, but unless people actually showed up and claimed to be Mickey Mouse, there were no fake votes.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

the free market is much different than voter fraud, like compairing a liberal to a school of fish, oo wait...

See here's the deal; in order to be voter fraud, there has to be fraud.

[Ordo Mallus]

and the organization has no part in this of course. this must be the answer otherwise bush would be God Emperor of the world and humanity. right right.. ooo wait, left left left.

[Ordo Mallus]

Let's stop bickering over what ACORN is and start focusing on what ACORN does: they encourage people to vote. If high voter turnout usually means losses for your party, then the smartest thing would be to figure out why, and correct the problem internally. Discouraging people from voting is, fundamentally, un-democratic.

way to change the subject, but since were on it, how about them fake votes?

What fake votes? There were fake registrations, but unless people actually showed up and claimed to be Mickey Mouse, there were no fake votes.

care to explain why a hand full of countys had more votes than population?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Let's stop bickering over what ACORN is and start focusing on what ACORN does: they encourage people to vote. If high voter turnout usually means losses for your party, then the smartest thing would be to figure out why, and correct the problem internally. Discouraging people from voting is, fundamentally, un-democratic.

way to change the subject, but since were on it, how about them fake votes?

What fake votes? There were fake registrations, but unless people actually showed up and claimed to be Mickey Mouse, there were no fake votes.

care to explain why a hand full of countys had more votes than population?

Uh..... because there hasn't been an accurate census recently?

[Ashmoria]

way to change the subject, but since were on it, how about them fake votes?

the republicans funded studies...and the justice department investigated im pretty sure...but in any case there were NO fake votes. no voter fraud. just bogus registrations that resulted in no votes.

which is not to say that there arent election irregularities out there. this just isnt the venue for it.

[Ashmoria]

care to explain why a hand full of countys had more votes than population?

that is ballot box stuffing and has nothing to do with anything that acorn does.

[The_pantless_hero]

Uh..... because there hasn't been an accurate census recently?

No, no, the correct answer is that it was a vile and well-organized plot by ACORN, being the only group in America that encourages people to vote, to influence the election to put a Hawaiian Muslim Kenyan atheist into office.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Uh..... because there hasn't been an accurate census recently?

No, no, the correct answer is that it was a vile and well-organized plot by ACORN, being the only group in America that encourages people to vote, to influence the election to put a Hawaiian Muslim Kenyan atheist into office.

Dammit, I always seem to get that question wrong.

[Ordo Mallus]

justice department has done anything, infact Obama stopped a case of voter intimidation by 2 ppl from the Black Panther's group (which was caught on tape), of course obama would want to investigate voter intimidation or fraud for that matter.

and is acorn the sole entitie responcible for voter fraud? no, infact Mayor Daley (Sr.) stuffed the ballet boxes during Kennedy's election which swung the tide of the entire state which was a major contributer to Kennedy's presidential win.

(he was Mayor of chicago, Illinios, most corrupt city in the nation, right from where obama sprouted from)

[Lunatic Goofballs]

justice department has done anything, infact Obama stopped a case of voter intimidation by 2 ppl from the Black Panther's group (which was caught on tape), of course obama would want to investigate voter intimidation or fraud for that matter.

Source?

[Treznor]

Uh..... because there hasn't been an accurate census recently?

No, no, the correct answer is that it was a vile and well-organized plot by ACORN, being the only group in America that encourages people to vote, to influence the election to put a Hawaiian Muslim Kenyan atheist into office.

Dammit, I always seem to get that question wrong.

That's because it's a trick question. Unless you provide the secret wingnut counter-sign, there is no right answer.

[Treznor]

justice department has done anything, infact Obama stopped a case of voter intimidation by 2 ppl from the Black Panther's group (which was caught on tape), of course obama would want to investigate voter intimidation or fraud for that matter.

and is acorn the sole entitie responcible for voter fraud? no, infact Mayor Daley (Sr.) stuffed the ballet boxes during Kennedy's election which swung the tide of the entire state which was a major contributer to Kennedy's presidential win.

(he was Mayor of chicago, Illinios, most corrupt city in the nation, right from where obama sprouted from)

Furthermore, the moon landing was all staged on a Hollywood movie set, JFK was killed for opposing the New World Order and aliens are monitoring the anal probe they installed in your body last year. All on Obama's orders.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

justice department has done anything, infact Obama stopped a case of voter intimidation by 2 ppl from the Black Panther's group (which was caught on tape), of course obama would want to investigate voter intimidation or fraud for that matter.

and is acorn the sole entitie responcible for voter fraud? no, infact Mayor Daley (Sr.) stuffed the ballet boxes during Kennedy's election which swung the tide of the entire state which was a major contributer to Kennedy's presidential win.

(he was Mayor of chicago, Illinios, most corrupt city in the nation, right from where obama sprouted from)

Furthermore, the moon landing was all staged on a Hollywood movie set, JFK was killed for opposing the New World Order and aliens are monitoring the anal probe they installed in your body last year. All on Obama's orders.

And the joke's on Obama. It wasn't really an anal probe; I just said it was. It was actually a chapstick.

[Treznor]

justice department has done anything, infact Obama stopped a case of voter intimidation by 2 ppl from the Black Panther's group (which was caught on tape), of course obama would want to investigate voter intimidation or fraud for that matter.

and is acorn the sole entitie responcible for voter fraud? no, infact Mayor Daley (Sr.) stuffed the ballet boxes during Kennedy's election which swung the tide of the entire state which was a major contributer to Kennedy's presidential win.

(he was Mayor of chicago, Illinios, most corrupt city in the nation, right from where obama sprouted from)

Furthermore, the moon landing was all staged on a Hollywood movie set, JFK was killed for opposing the New World Order and aliens are monitoring the anal probe they installed in your body last year. All on Obama's orders.

And the joke's on Obama. It wasn't really an anal probe; I just said it was. It was actually a chapstick.

You sir, are a bad, bad man. I admire you.

[Ordo Mallus]

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