somalia in the real world

[The armed republic of somalia]

Is there hope for this "failed place" or is it a failure?

[Gauthier]

What, fix an AnCap paradise?

[West Failure]

Small government, low taxes...

They need to collect more taxes, increase government and state power, enforce the rule of law, and develop some robust political institutions.

[Divair]

It is basically a non-existent country, so no, there is no hope.

[Vecherd]

Is there hope for this "failed place" or is it a failure?

Absolutely, after the government collapse in the early 90s Somalia has enjoyed a lot of economical growth. While still a shithole it is better than before.

[Malgrave]

It desperately needs a surge of troops and an actual functioning state.

[Malgrave]

Is there hope for this "failed place" or is it a failure?

Absolutely, after the government collapse in the early 90s Somalia has enjoyed a lot of economical growth. While still a shithole it is better than before.

Economic growth though the life of the citizenry has not improved.

[Shnercropolis]

Who cares?

[Divair]

Who cares?

If you don't, why are you posting here?

[Shnercropolis]

Because the other topics are even less careworthy.

[Divair]

Because the other topics are even less careworthy.

Maybe I should rephrase the question.

Why are you posting at all?

[The armed republic of somalia]

But due to the war lords, pirates, e.t.c. none of the support we send Somalia reaches the people that need it

[Divair]

But due to the war lords, pirates, e.t.c. none of the support we send Somalia reaches the people that need it

Which is why a large military intervention is needed.
Wipe out the militants and the country will be able to at least begin to start developing.

[The Alma Mater]

It is basically a non-existent country, so no, there is no hope.

There is a little point (literally) which has a government and something resembling law...

Possibly because all the navy vessels from the anti-pirate fleets dock there.

[Gauthier]

Because the other topics are even less careworthy.

Maybe I should rephrase the question.

Why are you posting at all?

Same reason anyone who likes to brag that they "don't care" posts. Self-aggrandizement and attention-whoring.

[Vecherd]

But due to the war lords, pirates, e.t.c. none of the support we send Somalia reaches the people that need it

Which is why a large military intervention is needed.
Wipe out the militants and the country will be able to at least begin to start developing.

The country is developing.

CIA estimated the GDP at $3.3 billion in 1994.
The CIA estimated that the GDP had grown to $5.731 billion in 2009.

[Unchecked Expansion]

Aren't the pirates one of the reason for economic growth?
Ross Kemp's show on them mentioned how they were a response to foreign companies fishing and dumping waste in unsecured Somalian waters, and have at least in some area helped fish stocks recover. Not to mention all the ransom money they spread around local economies

[Greed and Death]

The problem is the insistence of drawing the borders like we have, we have in essence put people who hate each other into one country.

Also keep in mind it was the Somali communist govnerment with its largest army on the continent that precipitated the civil war and mess.

[Tubbsalot]

The country is developing.

Developing into an ever-shittier place, yes.

[The USOT]

Which is why a large military intervention is needed.
Wipe out the militants and the country will be able to at least begin to start developing.

The country is developing.

CIA estimated the GDP at $3.3 billion in 1994.
The CIA estimated that the GDP had grown to $5.731 billion in 2009.

Economically yes. Socially? Quite the opposite... unless you favour warlordism... which im sure some people do.

[Greed and Death]

The country is developing.

CIA estimated the GDP at $3.3 billion in 1994.
The CIA estimated that the GDP had grown to $5.731 billion in 2009.

Economically yes. Socially? Quite the opposite... unless you favour warlordism... which im sure some people do.

Warlordism is better than communism.

[Galla-]

Is there hope for this "failed place" or is it a failure?

Absolutely, after the government collapse in the early 90s Somalia has enjoyed a lot of economical growth. While still a shithole it is better than before.

This, surprisingly, is quite true.

Absolutely, after the government collapse in the early 90s Somalia has enjoyed a lot of economical growth. While still a shithole it is better than before.

Economic growth though the life of the citizenry has not improved.

Except it has.

Still not great, but far better than living under a communist regime.

But due to the war lords, pirates, e.t.c. none of the support we send Somalia reaches the people that need it

Piracy has improved the economic conditions in Somalia.

The country is developing.

CIA estimated the GDP at $3.3 billion in 1994.
The CIA estimated that the GDP had grown to $5.731 billion in 2009.

Economically yes. Socially? Quite the opposite... unless you favour warlordism... which im sure some people do.

Honestly, I usually say stability is the best course of action.

But when choosing between a stable, communist government, and an unstable anarchy...

Yeah, I'd go with the anarchy just out of pity. Communism should be opposed at all fronts by the West foremost.

[West Failure]

Economically yes. Socially? Quite the opposite... unless you favour warlordism... which im sure some people do.

Warlordism is better than communism.

Better for Somalia, hell no.

[Galla-]

Warlordism is better than communism.

Better for Somalia, hell no.

I dunno, Barre's regime was pretty shit.

[The armed republic of somalia]

Somalia hasn't had a decent central givernent since the militias overthrew there last president in 1991 and then turned on each other....that's when things got bad. Worse than it was when they had a president