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The 'N' Word

Postby Rationallia » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:22 am

Recently I have begun wondering why it is acceptable in cases such as music/casual conversation for Black people to use the 'N' word (you know what I'm meaning) but other people types cannot. I understand that it being said by a white person (for example) to a black person would cause the word to contain negative connotations due to it's use in the past, but then why would a black person find it racist if said by the white but not a fellow black. It also seems that it is more acceptable for racist words to be used towards white people rather than other colours. So I'm asking, why is this? Why can a white person use this word lightly to a friend but Jay-Z can sing it to the world without no one thinking twice about it? Also at what stage did everyone get so scared about racially offending someone?

I understand that what I have just written is filled with generalizations but to be honest, stereotypes are (mostly) based on the truth. Also I personally think the word in question should not be said as an insult due to the chance of serious offense taken.

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Postby Kirrig » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:24 am

Rationallia wrote:Recently I have begun wondering why it is acceptable in cases such as music/casual conversation for Black people to use the 'N' word (you know what I'm meaning) but other people types cannot. I understand that it being said by a white person (for example) to a black person would cause the word to contain negative connotations due to it's use in the past, but then why would a black person find it racist if said by the white but not a fellow black. It also seems that it is more acceptable for racist words to be used towards white people rather than other colours. So I'm asking, why is this? Why can a white person use this word lightly to a friend but Jay-Z can sing it to the world without no one thinking twice about it? Also at what stage did everyone get so scared about racially offending someone?

I understand that what I have just written is filled with generalizations but to be honest, stereotypes are (mostly) based on the truth. Also I personally think the word in question should not be said as an insult due to the chance of serious offense taken.


Because the most widespread type of racism in the world is towards those of European descent.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:26 am

Because if you are born with a certain trait, society has deemed it okay to generalize and insult other people with that same trait.
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:27 am

You mean the word nigger? Meh, I firmly believe in freedom of speech so if a black guy can say it anyone can.
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Postby Red zephie » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:28 am

use it all you like

but when offended people beat the shit out of you

do not cry
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:29 am

Red zephie wrote:use it all you like

but when offended people beat the shit out of you

do not cry


They are fools who deserved and should soon to be arrested then if they fight you over it.
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Postby Red zephie » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:30 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Red zephie wrote:use it all you like

but when offended people beat the shit out of you

do not cry


They are fools who deserved and should soon to be arrested then if they fight you over it.

good luck identifying them

when they all look the same

right
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:31 am

Red zephie wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
They are fools who deserved and should soon to be arrested then if they fight you over it.

good luck identifying them

when they all look the same

right


no not right...

I can also tell your being sarcastic, that or trying to paint me as a rascist.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:32 am

How are we defining 'allowed'? I mean, you know you can say it, right? Are you suggesting that if you say it someone like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP might get mad at you but not at a black person, like...say, rapper Nas?
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:34 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:How are we defining 'allowed'? I mean, you know you can say it, right? Are you suggesting that if you say it someone like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP might get mad at you but not at a black person, like...say, rapper Nas?


interesting point

btw Jesse Jackson is just....well you know....a scumbag.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:36 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:How are we defining 'allowed'? I mean, you know you can say it, right? Are you suggesting that if you say it someone like Jesse Jackson and the NAACP might get mad at you but not at a black person, like...say, rapper Nas?


interesting point

btw Jesse Jackson is just....well you know....a scumbag.

I don't see how that is relevant, but thanks for sharing...
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Postby Vurtunia » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:36 am

I call controvesial argument with no absolute conclusion.
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Postby Kirrig » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:39 am

Vurtunia wrote:I call controvesial argument with no absolute conclusion.


The OP is mainstream in approach.
Daistallia 2104 wrote:Kirrig, since you seem to be unable to take hints, allow me make it explicitly clear - you are being ignored.

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Postby Vurtunia » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:41 am

Kirrig wrote:
Vurtunia wrote:I call controvesial argument with no absolute conclusion.


The OP is mainstream in approach.


I'm very sleepy what is an OP again?
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Postby Red zephie » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:41 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Red zephie wrote:good luck identifying them

when they all look the same

right


no not right...

I can also tell your being sarcastic, that or trying to paint me as a rascist.

maybe both

who knows
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Postby Kirrig » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:42 am

Vurtunia wrote:
Kirrig wrote:
The OP is mainstream in approach.


I'm very sleepy what is an OP again?


First post.
Daistallia 2104 wrote:Kirrig, since you seem to be unable to take hints, allow me make it explicitly clear - you are being ignored.

"Have you ever noticed... our caps... they have skulls on them..."
"Hans... are we the baddies?"
Milks Empire wrote:
Kirrig wrote:Do you guys know if George Bush is on NSG?
Wouldn't surprise me.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:43 am

Red zephie wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
no not right...

I can also tell your being sarcastic, that or trying to paint me as a rascist.

maybe both

who knows


well...actually you would know since it's your statement sir.
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Postby Vurtunia » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:43 am

Kirrig wrote:
Vurtunia wrote:
I'm very sleepy what is an OP again?


First post.


Ah, Origin Point I get it
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Postby Red zephie » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:46 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Red zephie wrote:maybe both

who knows


well...actually you would know since it's your statement sir.

an interesting

assumption
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:48 am

Red zephie wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
well...actually you would know since it's your statement sir.

an interesting

assumption


not an assumption sir it is a fact.
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Postby Red zephie » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:52 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Red zephie wrote:an interesting

assumption


not an assumption sir it is a fact.

no

there have been many documented cases

of people who do or say things

without even realising

or knowing why they did it
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:53 am

Red zephie wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
not an assumption sir it is a fact.

no

there have been many documented cases

of people who do or say things

without even realising

or knowing why they did it


So your admitting you didn't know what you were thinking when you posted this message.

"good luck identifying them

when they all look the same

right"-Red Zephie
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Postby Kirrig » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:55 am

Fredericsburg wrote:
Vurtunia wrote:
I'm very sleepy what is an OP again?


Original poster.
I read the post as "What is OP?" - I was about to give the standard response...


True, but it was locked.

A fate that we might avoid.

If we keep on track.
Daistallia 2104 wrote:Kirrig, since you seem to be unable to take hints, allow me make it explicitly clear - you are being ignored.

"Have you ever noticed... our caps... they have skulls on them..."
"Hans... are we the baddies?"
Milks Empire wrote:
Kirrig wrote:Do you guys know if George Bush is on NSG?
Wouldn't surprise me.

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Postby Red zephie » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:01 am

North Calaveras wrote:So your admitting you didn't know what you were thinking when you posted this message.

possibly

you decide
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:03 am

Red zephie wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:So your admitting you didn't know what you were thinking when you posted this message.

possibly

you decide


No matter how i answer your going to respond the same way aren't you?
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