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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:16 pm

It is a common refrain, repeated often by the religious right, in our modern "liberal hedonist times", the maxim usually (falsely) attributed to Dostoyevsky in Brother's Karamazov that if God doesn't exist, than everything is permitted is especially true. From millions killed in Gulags, up to animal sex and *gasp* gay marriage: this is where we end if we deny all transcendent authority that poses unsurpassable limits to human behavior. In absence of this, there is no obstacle to exploit one's neighbor, use them as tools, or even worse, have anal sex with them or kill them.

Jacques Lacan, I think, has probably the best rejoinder to this simplistic analysis: "Quite evidently, a naïve notion, for we analysts know full well that if God doesn't exist, then nothing at all is permitted any longer. Neurotics prove that to us every day."*

The absence of God as a transcendental superego means the buck stops with you. Thus, you are responsible for the consequences of all your actions, and there is no paternal figure to set right was is wrong, or to absolve you of your guilt. That responsibility is yours and yours alone.

This is why any self-reflective atheist is incredibly self-conscious of their own actions. We build a a very complex set of self-imposed limitations and behavioral restraints, ever conscious that this is the one and only life, and our actions can have permanent consequences. And, conversely, it is the religious fundamentalist, in perceiving a totalizing meaning for existence and the state of the world, conceives of himself as an instrument of this higher purpose, and thus is free to do whatever he feels is necessary to fulfill that higher purpose, free of guilt or shame.

What say you, NSG?

* Jacques Lacan, The Ego in Freud's Theory and in the Technique of Psychoanalysis, New York: Norton 1988, p. 128.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:20 pm

It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:21 pm

Better to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do or do the right thing because you'll go to heaven for doing it?
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Postby Azrael » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:24 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:Better to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do or do the right thing because you'll go to heaven for doing it?

Doing the right thing out of courtesy is fundamental to spiritual development.
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Postby Tsaraine » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:30 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.


Yes, yes, we get that you apply a ridiculous double standard to yourself as opposed to everyone else. We get that you are in desperate need of qualified psychiatric help. We don't need another thread on it - and even if we did, this is not the thread for it.

Desperate Measures wrote:Better to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do or do the right thing because you'll go to heaven for doing it?


"Do the gods love it because it is good, or is it good because the gods love it?" - Socrates

In the absence of god, we are free to judge things on their own merits, as opposed to how they line up to arbitrary edicts. I believe in the former (that moral actions are moral independent of being approved of by supernatural forces); the latter would essentially mean that rape, murder etc are OK if they're commanded by divine powers (something we see demonstrated a lot in the Old Testament) - a stance I disagree with entirely. "Just following (God's) orders" is no excuse. To paraphrase Galileo, "I do not believe that the same God who has endowed us with the capacity for moral judgement has intended us to forgo their use."

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Postby Azrael » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:32 pm

Tsaraine wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.


Yes, yes, we get that you apply a ridiculous double standard to yourself as opposed to everyone else. We get that you are in desperate need of qualified psychiatric help. We don't need another thread on it - and even if we did, this is not the thread for it.


Since when was this thread about him? Just ignore it, and it will go away.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:33 pm

Tsaraine wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Better to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do or do the right thing because you'll go to heaven for doing it?


"Do the gods love it because it is good, or is it good because the gods love it?" - Socrates

In the absence of god, we are free to judge things on their own merits, as opposed to how they line up to arbitrary edicts. I believe in the former (that moral actions are moral independent of being approved of by supernatural forces); the latter would essentially mean that rape, murder etc are OK if they're commanded by divine powers (something we see demonstrated a lot in the Old Testament) - a stance I disagree with entirely. "Just following (God's) orders" is no excuse. To paraphrase Galileo, "I do not believe that the same God who has endowed us with the capacity for moral judgement has intended us to forgo their use."

Pretty much that, exactly. If I'm going to be judged, it will be on my merits and my choices. Anything else is like expecting fairness from a supernatural dictator.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:35 pm

Eh, I used to be all "self reflective" and all the rest of the angsty stuff that comes along with that. But over the past few years I've come to the conclusion that it's mostly a waste of time.

Some people are going to defer responsibility to god, some people are going to take responsibility because of god, and others are going to cut out the middle man entirely.

I've put myself in the third category and consider myself a better, and less neurotic I suppose is a good word, person for it.

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Postby Odins Scandinavia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:39 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.


the Vatican is considering you for a very exiting position as pope. [/joke].

if there is no morals without god, i guess there goes the massive list of secular states.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:50 pm

Odins Scandinavia wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.


the Vatican is considering you for a very exiting position as pope. [/joke].

if there is no morals without god, i guess there goes the massive list of secular states.

Yeah, but the question is, how many of those nations are actually considered "moral" and/or "secular" to the religious man?

Even the supposedly secular United States we have a segment of the population obsessed with reminding us that "no, actually, In God We Trust", etc., etc.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:13 am

I kind of prefer the thinking that everything is prohibited unless the judgment is made to permit as opposed to everything is permissable unless prohibited.

One leads to inexorable freedom whereas the other leads to tighter and tighter restrictions, a 'you can do' mindset as opposed to a 'you can't do' mindset.
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:34 am

Trotskylvania wrote:It is a common refrain, repeated often by the religious right, in our modern "liberal hedonist times", the maxim usually (falsely) attributed to Dostoyevsky in Brother's Karamazov that if God doesn't exist, than everything is permitted is especially true. From millions killed in Gulags, up to animal sex and *gasp* gay marriage: this is where we end if we deny all transcendent authority that poses unsurpassable limits to human behavior. In absence of this, there is no obstacle to exploit one's neighbor, use them as tools, or even worse, have anal sex with them or kill them.

Jacques Lacan, I think, has probably the best rejoinder to this simplistic analysis: "Quite evidently, a naïve notion, for we analysts know full well that if God doesn't exist, then nothing at all is permitted any longer. Neurotics prove that to us every day."*

The absence of God as a transcendental superego means the buck stops with you. Thus, you are responsible for the consequences of all your actions, and there is no paternal figure to set right was is wrong, or to absolve you of your guilt. That responsibility is yours and yours alone.

This is why any self-reflective atheist is incredibly self-conscious of their own actions. We build a a very complex set of self-imposed limitations and behavioral restraints, ever conscious that this is the one and only life, and our actions can have permanent consequences. And, conversely, it is the religious fundamentalist, in perceiving a totalizing meaning for existence and the state of the world, conceives of himself as an instrument of this higher purpose, and thus is free to do whatever he feels is necessary to fulfill that higher purpose, free of guilt or shame.

What say you, NSG?

* Jacques Lacan, The Ego in Freud's Theory and in the Technique of Psychoanalysis, New York: Norton 1988, p. 128.


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Postby GeneralHaNor » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:37 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.


Try not to do that. If I held myself responsible for every action I ever committed, I could not possibly repay that debt ever.
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Postby The Lost Ships » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:01 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Tsaraine wrote:
"Do the gods love it because it is good, or is it good because the gods love it?" - Socrates

In the absence of god, we are free to judge things on their own merits, as opposed to how they line up to arbitrary edicts. I believe in the former (that moral actions are moral independent of being approved of by supernatural forces); the latter would essentially mean that rape, murder etc are OK if they're commanded by divine powers (something we see demonstrated a lot in the Old Testament) - a stance I disagree with entirely. "Just following (God's) orders" is no excuse. To paraphrase Galileo, "I do not believe that the same God who has endowed us with the capacity for moral judgement has intended us to forgo their use."

Pretty much that, exactly. If I'm going to be judged, it will be on my merits and my choices. Anything else is like expecting fairness from a supernatural dictator.


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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:08 am

I don't really think it answers the question. As ones ability to set a moral code, or their connections with a conscience will differ from a person to person basis. Meaning that, they might or might not adhere to a set of rules that might or might not have connections with basic morality. Individualism can be as much of an exceptional quality as an extraordinary vice, and removing an overarching being that puts a justification beyond our reach to alter, leaves it up to the individual to decide these values. It could quickly go to heil, even with a community consensus which alters from region to region.

I suspect a conscience would be a decent overall basis to form such a moral code on, sadly, it is not something that is equal from person to person. While the 'experience' of existing would not be nihilistic, seeing how we would be subject to feelings, and have to 'create' our own meanings for it. The overarching horizon of it all would be nihilistic without God. Treating both the best among men, to the worst among us with no real difference at the so far inevitable end. Giving only 'difference of opinion' as the consensus of what is right and what is wrong.
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Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.

I just might be in love with you.
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Four-sided Triangles wrote:It sure as hell applies to me. The more morally reflective I am, the more I grow to hate everything about myself. Every action that most people would dismiss as "no big deal" I inflate into a massive issue that proves I'm a depraved pile of shit. Frankly, trying to become more moral has made me about as miserable as possible. I absolutely hate myself and sometimes I think I deserve to die.

I just might be in love with you.

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Unidox wrote:I just might be in love with you.

Jesus, don't encourage him.

Why? I went through that phase too.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:23 am

If there is no god, then everything is up for grabs, and that is the most dangerous situation of all.
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Tubbsalot wrote:Jesus, don't encourage him.

Why? I went through that phase too.

No, you didn't. And if you did you would have needed serious psychiatric evaluation.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:24 am

Herskerstad wrote:I don't really think it answers the question. As ones ability to set a moral code, or their connections with a conscience will differ from a person to person basis. Meaning that, they might or might not adhere to a set of rules that might or might not have connections with basic morality. Individualism can be as much of an exceptional quality as an extraordinary vice, and removing an overarching being that puts a justification beyond our reach to alter, leaves it up to the individual to decide these values. It could quickly go to heil, even with a community consensus which alters from region to region.

I suspect a conscience would be a decent overall basis to form such a moral code on, sadly, it is not something that is equal from person to person. While the 'experience' of existing would not be nihilistic, seeing how we would be subject to feelings, and have to 'create' our own meanings for it. The overarching horizon of it all would be nihilistic without God. Treating both the best among men, to the worst among us with no real difference at the so far inevitable end. Giving only 'difference of opinion' as the consensus of what is right and what is wrong.

You've missed the point entirely.

It's not the horizon is nihilistic without God-as-superego. In fact, quite the opposite. That nihilism was always latent within monotheistic religion, merely wallpapered over by the acceptance of one's role in the totalizing existence that is the Word of God.

But this is just a charade. All someone who believes in a divine moral code does is take his own prides and prejudices, and projects them onto the whole universe. That's why he is the real nihilist. He acts unfettered by any real moral restraints or self-imposed limits.

In perceiving himself as an instrument or servant of a transcendent religious purpose, everything is permitted to the believer. It is this reference to divine necessity that enables him to do whatever he wants or perceives as necessary.
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Disserbia wrote:If there is no god, then everything is up for grabs, and that is the most dangerous situation of all.

Did you actually READ the OP, or are you just going to mindlessly blurt out generic theistic reactionary opinion?

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Disserbia wrote:If there is no god, then everything is up for grabs, and that is the most dangerous situation of all.

Last time I checked, there was no god, and everything wasn't up for grabs.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:27 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Disserbia wrote:If there is no god, then everything is up for grabs, and that is the most dangerous situation of all.

Did you actually READ the OP, or are you just going to mindlessly blurt out generic theistic reactionary opinion?

Give him a break. It's not like I specifically addressed that very premise in the first paragraph of the OP, right? Next, you're going to be saying we should all read EVERY OP before commenting on them. Jeesh man, chillax

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:28 am

Trotskylvania wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Did you actually READ the OP, or are you just going to mindlessly blurt out generic theistic reactionary opinion?

Give him a break. It's not like I specifically addressed that very premise in the first paragraph of the OP, right? Next, you're going to be saying we should all read EVERY OP before commenting on them. Jeesh man, chillax

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