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Postby Norstal » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:26 pm

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Norstal wrote:So you're saying I should masturbate to animals in order to not hate women.

But then, animals are sentient beings too. Just how far will you go FST? Is it immoral to masturbate to gasses and non-biological solids too?


Just don't masturbate period. If you've got an addiction to sex, the worst thing you can do is sate that addiction.

I can't do that because I have wet dreams if I do. And I masturbate when I have wet dreams or at least, I objectify women in such dreams.

So pick one. Either I masturbate to non-organic compounds or I objectify women in my wet dreams.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And gay men.

And how do you counter this?


First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

Second, objectifying men as also not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the former.
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Postby Azrael » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Yes, this is about masturbation. Does anybody agree with me that masturbation is a sexist activity that involves the objectification of women? Does anybody else find the excuse that men "need" sex in the same way we need food to be laughably pathetic?

Dude look at the link I posted above. It may be from a typical internet forum like FJ, but it still has some truth in it.
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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And gay men.

And how do you counter this?


First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

Second, objectifying men as also not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the former.


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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:27 pm

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Desperate Measures wrote:Not everything is based on visuals. I've masturbated before and it was just based on the physical sensation without any thought or visual aid regarding a woman or a man or even that one time with the moose.

Total sensual deprivation wank, eh?

Hmm...

Just breathe and feel... breathe and feel...

um... excuse me...

be back soon.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And gay men.

And how do you counter this?


First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

Second, objectifying men as also not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the former.

1. Why? How are women the oppressed class?
2. Why?
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Idaho Conservatives wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

Second, objectifying men as also not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the former.


Oh fuck, here we go.

I'm sorry.
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Postby Ragnarsdomr » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

As we've said before, in many a thread... chicks can schlick it too, FST. And yes, I have evidence. No, I don't think I'm allowed to post it, but I don't think that'd stop you too badly. And no, masturbation does not entail the objectification of women, men, or anyone else as a necessary subcategory. It is perfectly possible to masturbate to no imagery at all, and the simple act of running one's hand up and down does not cause women to scream in anguish as shackles rise from the dirt and drag them into the nearest kitchen.


Norstal wrote:Is it immoral to masturbate to gasses and non-biological solids too?


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Postby Azrael » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

What if I were to say I masturbate to myself?
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Postby Nadkor » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:First, since women are the oppressed class


Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
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Postby Quelesh » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm

I think the OP is way off the mark. First, as just about every other poster in this thread has pointed out, women masturbate. They masturbate quite a lot, much more than is commonly supposed. Women are in general just as sexual as men; cultural gender constructions and societal restrictions compel them to hide their sexuality more than men are compelled to hide their sexuality.

Non-heterosexual men also masturbate, and often they are not thinking about women in a sexual manner.

I also see no problem with men having sexual fantasies about women, just as I see no problem with women having sexual fantasies about men, or any other combination.

To address whether we "need" sexual release: unlike food, water, oxygen and sleep, we can generally survive without engaging in sexual activity; we do not need it in that sense. However, sexuality is a fundamental human drive (or rather a fundamental animal drive - other animals are just as sexual as humans). It is unhealthy, physically and psychologically, to repress that drive.

There's nothing wrong with any voluntary sexual activity, including masturbation.
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Postby Yootwopia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:1. Why? How are women the oppressed class?

Shit wages, anti-woman general cultural hegemony in at least most of the Western world etc. but this is really outside the scope of a debate about casual ejaculation.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Unilisia wrote:I'm female and I masturbate daily. Not sure how masturbation objectifies either sex.

Just don't do it in front of the mirror or you might accidentally oppress yourself.
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Postby Gladia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm

I'm still wondering why it is that, on average, men are sentenced to 40% more time then women, and that women don't have to register for selective service. Riddle me that FST.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:First, since women are the oppressed class/quote]

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

That's what you thought?

I thought you liked my whips and chains. :unsure:
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Postby Idealismania » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Yes, this is about masturbation. Does anybody agree with me that masturbation is a sexist activity that involves the objectification of women? Does anybody else find the excuse that men "need" sex in the same way we need food to be laughably pathetic?

1. Masturbation involves thoughts 99% of the time. These thoughts are sexual. If a heterosexual male masturbates, does this not involve him objectifying women within his mind? How do we know that this won't lead to worse consequences later on? If he can masturbate and therefore objectify fantasy women, how long is it before he objectifies real women? How long is it until he rationalizes and excuses date rape? Where does it stop?

2. Do humans "need" sexual "release" in any meaningful way? I don't know, that one sounds like bullshit to me.


I only think about flowers and trees when I masterbate, so there.

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Postby Unilisia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:First, since women are the oppressed class


Help! Help! I'm being repressed!


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Postby Saint Jade IV » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:Yes, this is about masturbation. Does anybody agree with me that masturbation is a sexist activity that involves the objectification of women?


Funnily enough, no.

edit: the fact that you consider males to be the only sex in the species capable of feeling sexual desire says an awful lot about your own massive, massive, issues with accepting that women are equally as human as males and operate in substantially the same way.


It strikes me as rather sexist that the OP seems incapable of admitting that women have similar, and in some cases substantially higher libidos than males.

For instance, very few, if any males can have multiple orgasms. Yet it's not uncommon for women.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And gay men.

And how do you counter this?


First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

That implies women are lesser than men. Though they might be oppressed, objectifying women should be no different than objectifying men.

Me masturbating (and hence objectifying if we are to assume your thesis) to the Jews in concentration camps during the 1940s doesn't make me masturbating to the Germans any different during the same time period.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

Second, objectifying men as also not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the former.

1. Why? How are women the oppressed class?
2. Why?

Because 4ST says so. Quadrilateral ergo demonstrandum. ;)
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Postby Quelesh » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

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Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Women also masturbate.


Nowhere near as much as men.


That's untrue.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Yootwopia wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:1. Why? How are women the oppressed class?

Shit wages, anti-woman general cultural hegemony in at least most of the Western world etc. but this is really outside the scope of a debate about casual ejaculation.

Which is what I meant in this topic. Women's rights would be a different issue, but we can agree both genders can take matters into their own hands equally.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Norstal wrote:So you're saying I should masturbate to animals in order to not hate women.

But then, animals are sentient beings too. Just how far will you go FST? Is it immoral to masturbate to gasses and non-biological solids too?


Just don't masturbate period. If you've got an addiction to sex, the worst thing you can do is sate that addiction.

:palm: Just because someone masturbates does not mean they are addicted to sex.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:1. Why? How are women the oppressed class?
2. Why?


1. Because it's a patriarchy, not a matriarchy.

2. Because objectification of the oppressed class encourages and magnifies oppression. Objectification of a non-oppressed class does no such thing.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:32 pm

Ragnarsdomr wrote:Hey! I told the cops, the dealer TOLD ME it was a 1994 Mustang. How was I supposed to tell it was a '99 model?

You sick bastard mang. It's immoral people like you that oppresses the '99 model Mustangs.
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