Ridiculous School Rules

[Saint Jade IV]

It's actually because of legal action, and the fear of it, that such stupid rules are created in the first place.

If schools weren't held liable for students choosing to walk off school grounds during school time and getting injured or killed, there would probably be fewer rules about leaving the classroom etc.

But if a teacher or a principal is going to be held liable for a student who is truant, then they have a right to protect themselves by enforcing rules that may be restrictive or silly.

Whats stupid is that most schools can suspend or expel students for complaining about the rules, on the internet, from home, and they hate NS. I'm lucky enough to have it at school thanks to my uncle working on the SWAT team, this leads to him knowing the best lawyer in the area who got the judge to rule NS couldn't be blocked. (All for FREE)

Good things

Free reign on music, about 95% of the time we can be listening to music, so long as one ear can hear.

You know what happens in the real world if you complain about the company you work for? You get fired.

[Virabia]

I am a senior, and I am taking law classes in the school, We were covering extensively where the boold says, several times "Students or those under eighteen without a GED have No Constitutional Rights." They are allowed to randomly drug test students in a high school, but they aren't allowed to test the teachers because THAT would be a violation to their right to privacy.

Except... they TOTALLY do.

Otherwise negroes and women dont have constitutional rights.

[Durmatagno]

My school has many stupid rules, guys can't have long hair or piercings, any student in the halls without a signed note gets a morning detention, if you're late for homeroom you have to sit in the office until second period and if you're late three times you get a day of alternative school, if you don't go to the lunchroom during lunch break you get a morning detention

No long hair, fuck that I'm not cutting my hair, need to put it in a ponytail soon, damn thing gets in the way.

For some reason this site ISN'T blocked at schol \/

Mod edit: Let's not post forbidden sites, ok?

[Genivaria]

I am a senior, and I am taking law classes in the school, We were covering extensively where the boold says, several times "Students or those under eighteen without a GED have No Constitutional Rights." They are allowed to randomly drug test students in a high school, but they aren't allowed to test the teachers because THAT would be a violation to their right to privacy.

Except... they TOTALLY do.

Otherwise negroes and women dont have constitutional rights.

Women have rights? What is this sorcery!?

[Kirrig]

Whats stupid is that most schools can suspend or expel students for complaining about the rules, on the internet, from home, and they hate NS. I'm lucky enough to have it at school thanks to my uncle working on the SWAT team, this leads to him knowing the best lawyer in the area who got the judge to rule NS couldn't be blocked. (All for FREE)

Good things

Free reign on music, about 95% of the time we can be listening to music, so long as one ear can hear.

You know what happens in the real world if you complain about the company you work for? You get fired.

But can sue for re-instatement and can have unions to protect you.

[Arkotania]

I don't login into anything from my school computer. My school is notorious for stealing student's facebook passwords and spying on their friends activities(those who come to the school) then punishing the student(s) accordingly for something they did or said online. It's pretty absurd but they've done it multiple times(but i don't have a facebook and will probably never have so i'm fine).

[Miyager]

As a sophomore in high school, obviously I think quite a few rules are unnecessary. But this time, they just went too far. Now to leave the classroom for any reason, a student must have a signed pass. This really gets to me during my last class of the day, which is literally right across the hall from bathrooms, water fountains, and my locker. Students here usually just complain, but they might actually do something about this. Thoughts?

This has been going on in the school districts where I live for years now.

[Quelesh]

Denying people the right to urinate is a human rights violation. I suggest that you organize the students at your school against this policy. Form a coalition of students opposed to the policy, determine what an ideal alternative policy would be, then collectively go to the principal, or whomever is resposible for deciding such things, and politely make your case and advocate for the policy to change. Be polite. If you're combative, it's much less likely that they'll listen to you. If they don't listen to you anyway, then you and your coalition of likeminded students can collectively decide upon further measures of protest.

So basically you just want the ability to leave whenever?

And beer in the vending machines.

I definitely support that.

Children cannot interrupt a teacher and walk out of a classroom whenever they please? You're telling me that they have to have the dreadful inconvenience of signing one piece of paper to do so? What has society come to?

OP is not a child.

"Students or those under eighteen without a GED have No Constitutional Rights."

That is definitely not true. If your textbook says that, then your textbook is woefully mistaken.

"Constitutional rights do not mature and come into being magically only when one attains the state-defined age of majority. Minors, as well as adults, are protected by the Constitution and possess constitutional rights." - United States Supreme Court, Planned Parenthood of Missouri v. Danforth, 1976 (declaring unconstitutional a state law mandating parental consent for a minor to obtain an abortion)

"Whatever may be their precise impact, neither the Fourteenth Amendment nor the Bill of Rights is for adults alone." - United States Supreme Court, In re Gault, 1967 (holding that juveniles charged with a crime in juvenile court are entitled to the protections of the Fourteenth and Sixth Amendments, including the right to timely notification of the charges against them, the right to confront witnesses against them, the right against self-incrimination and the right to be represented by counsel)

"First Amendment rights, applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment, are available to teachers and students. It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate. This has been the unmistakable holding of this Court for almost 50 years." - United States Supreme Court, Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, 1969 (holding that First Amendment protections of free speech apply to minor students in public schools who were wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War)

"The Fourteenth Amendment, as now applied to the States, protects the citizen against the State itself and all of its creatures-Boards of Education not excepted. These have, of course, important, delicate, and highly discretionary functions, but none that they may not perform within the limits of the Bill of Rights. That they are educating the young for citizenship is reason for scrupulous protection of Constitutional freedoms of the individual, if we are not to strangle the free mind at its source and teach youth to discount important principles of our government as mere platitudes." - United States Supreme Court, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 1943 (holding that the First Amendment's free speech guarantee prohibits schools from compelling students to salute the flag or recite the Pledge of Allegiance)

I'm simply stating what is in the law text books. It was about a student-ran radio station, and once the principal heard of them critisizing the school's polices FROM AN OUTSIDE STATION, he immediately suspended them.
And in the book, we're told it was the right decision because as students,t hey have no rights, and the principal felt what he did as right.

That action very likely violated the Constitution. Your textbook is outright wrong.

Here is a FAQ about student press rights in schools.

Anyway, A school deemed in our area they can suspend and expel students for what they post about the school on facebook and twitter OUT OF SCHOOL. Luckily my radio station hasen't been shut down yet.

If this has happened to you, I suggest talking to your parents about it and if possible a lawyer. Schools aren't allowed to do that.

I think students need a Union. Only if we could take legal action, then schools would soon fear our wrath.

Student unions do exist and have existed in the past (e.g. Zionsville Student Rights Union). If you think your school could use one, then organize one.

[Durmatagno]

Whats stupid is that most schools can suspend or expel students for complaining about the rules, on the internet, from home, and they hate NS. I'm lucky enough to have it at school thanks to my uncle working on the SWAT team, this leads to him knowing the best lawyer in the area who got the judge to rule NS couldn't be blocked. (All for FREE)

Good things

Free reign on music, about 95% of the time we can be listening to music, so long as one ear can hear.

You know what happens in the real world if you complain about the company you work for? You get fired.

Not if your on a blog, bouncing through three proxies and posting nothing about what school you go to(IE Location, name, names of anyone there ETC) , they knew, on my home PC, everything I did, even managed to record me playing MW3 for a few minutes and said they could use me playing that in court should I sue for being suspended (yeah, no they can't)

[Gladia]

Our school doesn't allow you to wear jeans during certain times of the year. Seriously, not even the teachers support it.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Our school doesn't allow you to wear jeans during certain times of the year. Seriously, not even the teachers support it.

That's weird stuff.

[Saint Jade IV]

Denying people the right to urinate is a human rights violation. I suggest that you organize the students at your school against this policy. Form a coalition of students opposed to the policy, determine what an ideal alternative policy would be, then collectively go to the principal, or whomever is resposible for deciding such things, and politely make your case and advocate for the policy to change. Be polite. If you're combative, it's much less likely that they'll listen to you. If they don't listen to you anyway, then you and your coalition of likeminded students can collectively decide upon further measures of protest.

Noone's denying these students the right to urinate. They are placing rules on when and how they can enter and leave the classroom. Considering they are responsible for these students from when they leave home til they arrive home in the evening, I'd say it's fair that they make rules about the requirements.

[Kirrig]

You know what happens in the real world if you complain about the company you work for? You get fired.

Not if your on a blog, bouncing through three proxies and posting nothing about what school you go to(IE Location, name, names of anyone there ETC) , they knew, on my home PC, everything I did, even managed to record me playing MW3 for a few minutes and said they could use me playing that in court should I sue for being suspended (yeah, no they can't)

That seems to constitute spying, which is illegal.

[Durmatagno]

Were allowed to be on sites like this (read the thread, just read it and try to avoid the urge to troll them)

Mod edit: Let's not post forbidden sites, ok?

But Having a hole in your sleeve is a "Gang sign" or the sign of an insane cult.

[Kirrig]

Our school doesn't allow you to wear jeans during certain times of the year. Seriously, not even the teachers support it.

That's weird stuff.

Try a uniform, all year round. Cleanshaven, no-canvas shoes and they must be black and compulsory socks for boys only.

[Gladia]

Our school doesn't allow you to wear jeans during certain times of the year. Seriously, not even the teachers support it.

That's weird stuff.

I'm figuring it's some irrelevant rule made a long time ago. They don't allow you to where athletic shorts either. I seriously can't think of any justification for either rule.

[Ifreann]

Were allowed to be on sites like this (read the thread, just read it and try to avoid the urge to troll them)


Mod edit: Let's not post forbidden sites, ok?

But Having a hole in your sleeve is a "Gang sign" or the sign of an insane cult.

That they haven't blocked that forum doesn't mean they approve of it.

[Azrael]

Does anyone know what I'm talking about when I say plascotrac?

[Saint Jade IV]

You know what happens in the real world if you complain about the company you work for? You get fired.

But can sue for re-instatement and can have unions to protect you.

Students have a number of advocacy groups available to them. They also complain a lot about things that they don't understand, but that they perceive as inconvenient to them. They forget that just because they don't see the purpose to something doesn't mean it doesn't have one.

[Quelesh]

Noone's denying these students the right to urinate. They are placing rules on when and how they can enter and leave the classroom. Considering they are responsible for these students from when they leave home til they arrive home in the evening, I'd say it's fair that they make rules about the requirements.

I think that the entire concept of in loco parentis should be scrapped.

[Arkotania]

We have to wear a uniform but i have no issue with that. I've worn uniforms long enough to just stop caring about them(plus it's not as strict as most other schools or as uncomfortable).

[Durmatagno]

Were allowed to be on sites like this (read the thread, just read it and try to avoid the urge to troll them)


Mod edit: Let's not post forbidden sites, ok?

But Having a hole in your sleeve is a "Gang sign" or the sign of an insane cult.

That they haven't blocked that forum doesn't mean they approve of it.

They have a local block system up, if a single teacher or anything of the school doesn't like a site, they can block it on a whim.

(I'm one of ten atheists I know of in my city, all of them my friends before any of us admitted to being atheist)

A teacher caught our conversation and said "satanic worship isen't a thing for school, stop talking nonsense and just accept the earth is 6,000 years old, evolution is false, as is most science, and god is the true creator" they seem to think not believing in a higher power (her and her gang of student followers) means you automatically worship satan, but in order to do that you admit to believing in a higher power.

for the atheists that go to public school

[Soviet Canuckistan]

That they haven't blocked that forum doesn't mean they approve of it.

They have a local block system up, if a single teacher or anything of the school doesn't like a site, they can block it on a whim.

(I'm one of ten atheists I know of in my city, all of them my friends before any of us admitted to being atheist)

A teacher caught our conversation and said "satanic worship isen't a thing for school, stop talking nonsense and just accept the earth is 6,000 years old, evolution is false, as is most science, and god is the true creator" they seem to think not believing in a higher power (her and her gang of student followers) means you automatically worship satan, but in order to do that you admit to believing in a higher power.

for the atheists that go to public school

I go to a catholic school and most people there are agnostic or atheists.

[Saint Jade IV]

Noone's denying these students the right to urinate. They are placing rules on when and how they can enter and leave the classroom. Considering they are responsible for these students from when they leave home til they arrive home in the evening, I'd say it's fair that they make rules about the requirements.

I think that the entire concept of in loco parentis should be scrapped.

I believe there are elements of it that are important, and appropriate. But I think the expectations on schools as a result are WAY out of hand.

[Arkotania]

My VP and Counselor thinks i'm crazy. I rarely speak to both and because i prefer reading about fascism,communism and nuclear physics rather than those teen novels.