Israel upholds citizenship bar for Palestinian spouses

[Chevrolet Corvette]

No i do believe that would fix the Illegal immigrants in the US from escaping the law

Okay...
But I don't think are doing this because of immigration it is about fighting discrimination, and a Palestinian state, it is not comparable to the situation of Mexico and USA, Mexican come to the USA because the living standard is better. Palestinians just don't want to be discriminated against i.e not be able to marry an Israeli.

palestinians just want to leave because terrorist groups are in their region and Israel has better living as well

[EnragedMaldivians]

Well it sort of sounds like an oxymoron to me since nationalism is pretty much always based off ethnicity, patriotism is fine though.

Rather not get into this again, but put in short, I find the distinction between nationalism and patriotism to be meaningless rhetoric.

Wrong.

State and Nation are not synonymous.

Patriotism is loyalty to the state; nationalism is loyalty to the nation.

Civic nationalism is the only form of nationalism synonymous with patriotism.

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

Rather not get into this again, but put in short, I find the distinction between nationalism and patriotism to be meaningless rhetoric.

Wrong.

State and Nation are not synonymous.

Patriotism is loyalty to the state; nationalism is loyalty to the nation.

Civic nationalism is the only form of nationalism synonymous with patriotism.

na·tion·al·ism/ˈnaSHənəˌlizəm/Noun: 1.Patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
2.An extreme form of this, esp. marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.

Definition for patriotism:Web definitions: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

Nationalism is just patriotism in an extreme decayed form.

[Arumdaum]

Is this another one of those stupid "racism is used to mean discrimination based on race, ethnicity and occassionaly nationality but i don't like the word racist so i'm going to ignore how it's use and demand you make a new word" tangents?

"The law was introduced in 2003, with its backers citing security concerns and the need to ensure Israel remains a Jewish-majority state."

So, what is this?

its religious discrimination hence "jewish-majority state" I thought it was obvious.

I never knew "Palestinian", "Persian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi", and "Syrian" were religions.

[Gauthier]

its religious discrimination hence "jewish-majority state" I thought it was obvious.

I never knew "Palestinian", "Persian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi", and "Syrian" were religions.

Don't forget referemces to Jewish cuisine are just religious. Where are my Catholic cuisine, Evangelical cusiine, or Buddhist cuisine?

[North Calaveras]

its religious discrimination hence "jewish-majority state" I thought it was obvious.

I never knew "Palestinian", "Persian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi", and "Syrian" were religions.

They are not and i didn't even imply that. Being jewish is entirley different than say being Chinese.

don't mix religion with nationality

(though Palestine isn't a nation)

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

I never knew "Palestinian", "Persian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi", and "Syrian" were religions.

They are not and i didn't even imply that. Being jewish is entirley different than say being Chinese.

don't mix religion with nationality

(though Palestine isn't a nation)

They may not be a nation yet, but they are a people, just like the Kurds are.

[Chinese Regions]

Okay...
But I don't think are doing this because of immigration it is about fighting discrimination, and a Palestinian state, it is not comparable to the situation of Mexico and USA, Mexican come to the USA because the living standard is better. Palestinians just don't want to be discriminated against i.e not be able to marry an Israeli.

Many Muslim middle eastern immigrants come to Europe rather than Israel, because despite opposing their dictatorship of a or terrorist run country, they still despise Israel.

[Arumdaum]

I never knew "Palestinian", "Persian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi", and "Syrian" were religions.

They are not and i didn't even imply that. Being jewish is entirley different than say being Chinese.

don't mix religion with nationality

(though Palestine isn't a nation)

Ever heard of ethnic Jews? Not all Jews are religious either.

Some common examples: Leon Trotsky, Karl Marx, Albert Einstein

And yes, it is.

[Arumdaum]

They are not and i didn't even imply that. Being jewish is entirley different than say being Chinese.

don't mix religion with nationality

(though Palestine isn't a nation)

They may not be a nation yet, but they are a people, just like the Kurds are.

You don't have to be an established state to be a nation, although the State of Palestine actually exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

[EnragedMaldivians]

Wrong.

State and Nation are not synonymous.

Patriotism is loyalty to the state; nationalism is loyalty to the nation.

Civic nationalism is the only form of nationalism synonymous with patriotism.

na·tion·al·ism/ˈnaSHənəˌlizəm/Noun: 1.Patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
2.An extreme form of this, esp. marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.

Definition for patriotism:Web definitions: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

Nationalism is just patriotism in an extreme decayed form.

Nation and country are not synonymous either.

19th century Nationalism (which zionism owes its heritage to) developed as essentially "imagined communities" consisting of mentally conceptualized groups that beleived that what they shared in common and what distinguished them from "other" communities entitled them to govern themselves within shared political boundaries; it did not mean that the political boundaries that already existed were coterminous with their national group.

[Gauthier]

They are not and i didn't even imply that. Being jewish is entirley different than say being Chinese.

don't mix religion with nationality

(though Palestine isn't a nation)

Ever heard of ethnic Jews? Not all Jews are religious either.

Some common examples: Leon Trotsky, Karl Marx, Albert Einstein

And yes, it is.

You're talking to the guy who thinks Arabs are white. No wonder he didn't see all the post 9/11 violence against Arabs as a hate crime.

[Keronians]

They may not be a nation yet, but they are a people, just like the Kurds are.

You don't have to be an established state to be a nation, although the State of Palestine actually exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

It's not recognised, though.

Yet.

Though I think they were recognised officially by some official UN body.

[Arumdaum]

I never knew "Palestinian", "Persian", "Lebanese", "Iraqi", and "Syrian" were religions.

Don't forget referemces to Jewish cuisine are just religious. Where are my Catholic cuisine, Evangelical cusiine, or Buddhist cuisine?

Here it is!

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

Evangelical cuisine is the body parts of non whites.

[Arumdaum]

Ever heard of ethnic Jews? Not all Jews are religious either.

Some common examples: Leon Trotsky, Karl Marx, Albert Einstein

And yes, it is.

You're talking to the guy who thinks Arabs are white. No wonder he didn't see all the post 9/11 violence against Arabs as a hate crime.

Now that's just silly.

Everyone knows racism goes far further than just color of skin.

[EnragedMaldivians]

You don't have to be an established state to be a nation, although the State of Palestine actually exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

It's not recognised, though.

Yet.

Though I think they were recognised officially by some official UN body.

I'm pretty sure you are not a state de jure until the security council recognizes you; not 100% certain.

[Arumdaum]

You don't have to be an established state to be a nation, although the State of Palestine actually exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

It's not recognised, though.

Yet.

Though I think they were recognised officially by some official UN body.

Actually, a lot of countries do recognize Palestine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... s_only.png

[Ourfgenstan (Ancient)]

It's not recognised, though.

Yet.

Though I think they were recognised officially by some official UN body.

Actually, a lot of countries do recognize Palestine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... s_only.png

Also, most of the countries that don't recognise Palestine, are actually neutral, they aren't actively against Palestine recognition.

[Keronians]

It's not recognised, though.

Yet.

Though I think they were recognised officially by some official UN body.

Actually, a lot of countries do recognize Palestine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... s_only.png

India recognises Palestine?

Must admit I didn't know that. Though I meant internationally.

You need UNSC approval. Though I'm not sure if you can appeal to the UNGA as well...

[Keronians]

It's not recognised, though.

Yet.

Though I think they were recognised officially by some official UN body.

I'm pretty sure you are not a state de jure until the security council recognizes you; not 100% certain.

Me too.

I think you can defer to the UNGA if the UNSC declines. Not sure, though.

[North Calaveras]

You're talking to the guy who thinks Arabs are white. No wonder he didn't see all the post 9/11 violence against Arabs as a hate crime.

Now that's just silly.

Everyone knows racism goes far further than just color of skin.

So I guess Americans are their own race to then?

[Arumdaum]

Actually, a lot of countries do recognize Palestine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... s_only.png

India recognises Palestine?

Must admit I didn't know that. Though I meant internationally.

You need UNSC approval. Though I'm not sure if you can appeal to the UNGA as well...

Yeah.

Didn't they try to be recognized by the UN a while ago actually?

[Arumdaum]

Now that's just silly.

Everyone knows racism goes far further than just color of skin.

So I guess Americans are their own race to then?

Racism isn't just color of skin. It's about RACE.

A really nice example of it would be East Asia. Everyone here's yellow, but of a different race. The Japanese are commonly referred to as "evil barbarian monkeys" by students here in Korea, and 34.1% of South Koreans answered in a survey by the Korean Immigrant Workers Human Rights Center that everyone of the Japanese race should be expelled from Korea.

You don't think that's racism cuz they arr yerrow?

America is home to numerous race groups. Native Americans are a race though, I guess.

[North Calaveras]

So I guess Americans are their own race to then?

Racism isn't just color of skin. It's about RACE.

A really nice example of it would be East Asia. Everyone here's yellow, but of a different race. The Japanese are commonly referred to as "evil barbarian monkeys" by students here in Korea, and 34.1% of South Koreans answered in a survey by the Korean Immigrant Workers Human Rights Center that everyone of the Japanese race should be expelled from Korea.

You don't think that's racism cuz they arr yerrow?

well you made a comparision that persians and iraqis are a race so saying that iraqi is a race is just like saying Americans are their own race as well.