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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:38 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Bravo i support them for doing this

Fuck the Taliban they deserve it i mean THEY CAN Torture / Cut NATO and US soliders but we can't even do that?

I call BULLSHIT


We are better than them, that's why we can but we do not.

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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:39 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Bravo i support them for doing this

Fuck the Taliban they deserve it i mean THEY CAN Torture / Cut NATO and US soliders but we can't even do that?

I call BULLSHIT


We are better than them, that's why we can but we do not.

I don't care pissing on someone that is already dead Cannot feel it isn't hurting no one

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Postby Serrland » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:39 pm

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Committing war crimes does not a war criminal make?

Since when was pissing on the corpse of a savage who would, if given the chance, murder thousands a war crime?


Since the desecration of bodies was forbidden?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:39 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Bravo i support them for doing this

Fuck the Taliban they deserve it i mean THEY CAN Torture / Cut NATO and US soliders but we can't even do that?

I call BULLSHIT and ALL AMERICAN AND NATO TROOPS SHOULD DO THIS TO EVERY Taliban

What is wrong with you that you want to torture people?

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:41 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Bravo i support them for doing this

Fuck the Taliban they deserve it i mean THEY CAN Torture / Cut NATO and US soliders but we can't even do that?

I call BULLSHIT and ALL AMERICAN AND NATO TROOPS SHOULD DO THIS TO EVERY Taliban

yes

they can torture nato and u.s. soldiers because they are the taliban

torture is kinda bad

we can't torture people because we aren't the taliban

please stop making posts about how angry you are we can't do what the taliban is doing
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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Bravo i support them for doing this

Fuck the Taliban they deserve it i mean THEY CAN Torture / Cut NATO and US soliders but we can't even do that?

I call BULLSHIT and ALL AMERICAN AND NATO TROOPS SHOULD DO THIS TO EVERY Taliban

What is wrong with you that you want to torture people?

What is wrong with you supporting people who torture and kill hundreds of other people

Pissing on a dead body is not torture and will never be torture
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:42 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
We are better than them, that's why we can but we do not.

I don't care pissing on someone that is already dead Cannot feel it isn't hurting no one


That's true, unless they are zombies. But it's disrespectful and unnecessary. It's a dick move, man. The Taliban are already dicks enough, plus some, let's not contribute to the dickwardity of it all.

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Postby Chazicaria » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:42 pm

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Chazicaria wrote:Since when was pissing on the corpse of a savage who would, if given the chance, murder thousands a war crime?


Since the desecration of bodies was forbidden?

Rules like that, don't apply to wars like this. These "people" would break every rule in the book just to kill people who oppose them. I'm pretty sure we can break a few rules and still not stoop to their level of savageness.

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Postby Oterro » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:42 pm

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Ifreann wrote:What is wrong with you that you want to torture people?

What is wrong with you supporting people who torture and kill hundreds of other people

Pissing on a dead body is not torture and will never be torture


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Postby Serrland » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:43 pm

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Since the desecration of bodies was forbidden?

Rules like that, don't apply to wars like this. These "people" would break every rule in the book just to kill people who oppose them. I'm pretty sure we can break a few rules and still not stoop to their level of savageness.


Why not? Shouldn't a civilized nation have a universal moral standard of operations?

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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:44 pm

Chazicaria wrote:
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Since the desecration of bodies was forbidden?

Rules like that, don't apply to wars like this. These "people" would break every rule in the book just to kill people who oppose them. I'm pretty sure we can break a few rules and still not stoop to their level of savageness.

I stand corrected they do not deserve anything honorable for what the Taliban does and did to the Afghani People Not to mention the US / NATO forces
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:44 pm

Chazicaria wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Since the desecration of bodies was forbidden?

Rules like that, don't apply to wars like this. These "people" would break every rule in the book just to kill people who oppose them. I'm pretty sure we can break a few rules and still not stoop to their level of savageness.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:45 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What is wrong with you that you want to torture people?

What is wrong with you supporting people who torture and kill hundreds of other people

I'm not.

Pissing on a dead body is not torture and will never be torture

I never said it was, but you obviously want it done.

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Postby Celritannia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 pm

Chazicaria wrote:I'd like to see some of the people in this thread go to Afghanistan, fight these savages, watch their brothers in arms kill your best friends, then come here and criticize these men. Sometimes war just pushes you too far and you end up doing shit like this, and these men shouldn't be blamed for having done this. Why don't you guys go out and get shot at by people who like nothing more than to behead you and slaughter your whole family? Why don't you go watch your friends get shot by these "men," huh? The pressures put on people during war are sometimes just too much, and they block out your sense of decency; this does not make you a war criminal that deserves dishonorable discharge. /rant


Considering the Taliban are more or less militia, they are soldiers, fighting upon principles of war, and who were once supported by the USA during the Cold War and the "invasion" by the USSR.

Al-Qaeda is an International Terrorist organisation, who are not milita involved in Afghani politics.

Where is honour in War? Napoleon and Wellington, Montgomery and Rommel, enemies, who respected each other.

The British Empire fought Afghans many times over, and who have been respected. These marines broke the Geneva Conventions and basic rules of war, would you like it if the Afghans did this to dead Marines? Would your opinion change if the positions were switched?

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:
Chazicaria wrote:Rules like that, don't apply to wars like this. These "people" would break every rule in the book just to kill people who oppose them. I'm pretty sure we can break a few rules and still not stoop to their level of savageness.

I stand corrected they do not deserve anything honorable for what the Taliban does and did to the Afghani People Not to mention the US / NATO forces

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seriously don't base your moral compass off of the taliban

it is a bad idea
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Postby Dominion of Integrated States » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 pm

I think from my experance most NATO troops would find doing something like this disgusting and wrong. Leave the dead be even though they are insurgants does not mean they should have there bodies desicrated.

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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Chevrolet Corvette wrote:What is wrong with you supporting people who torture and kill hundreds of other people

I'm not.

Pissing on a dead body is not torture and will never be torture

I never said it was, but you obviously want it done.

It will give moral to the US / NATO troops also to the Afghani people i'm positive it will
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:48 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I'm not.


I never said it was, but you obviously want it done.

It will give moral to the US / NATO troops also to the Afghani people i'm positive it will

Or give ammunition to the Taliban, so they can say with total honesty "Hey, look what America did, we were right all along" and paint us as the foreign oppressors they claim we are.

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Postby Arkotania » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:48 pm

I view such actions as pathetically barbaric and backwards. The soldiers who committed this action are either mentally incapable of understanding how animalistic their behaviors are or are simply backwater imbeciles. Civilized people would certainly not commit such a disgusting on their opponent. I guess in the modern age people lose the honorable behaviors we once had. I guess none of those men will ever be known as "the bigger man" with such an act. Terrible.
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Postby Chazicaria » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:49 pm

Serrland wrote:
Chazicaria wrote:Rules like that, don't apply to wars like this. These "people" would break every rule in the book just to kill people who oppose them. I'm pretty sure we can break a few rules and still not stoop to their level of savageness.


Why not? Shouldn't a civilized nation have a universal moral standard of operations?

Yes, but some "Rules of War" are just complete bullshit and interfere with war fighting. This doesn't quite apply to my argument, I know, and it by no means implies that I support the Taliban's efforts at fighting war, considering that they don't follow rules.

What I'm saying however, is that these men can't be blamed for this. If you've experienced all that those Marines had experienced, I doubt that you'd be thinking rationally, especially when you know each moment could be your last.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:50 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Chevrolet Corvette wrote:It will give moral to the US / NATO troops also to the Afghani people i'm positive it will

Or give ammunition to the Taliban, so they can say with total honesty "Hey, look what America did, we were right all along" and paint us as the foreign oppressors they claim we are.


Exactly. We are there to give Afghanistan democracy, not to piss on their sons, brothers, and fathers. While pissing on them creates no immediate harm, it damages our mission there, which is not to kill the Taliban, but to give the Afghan people freedom.

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Postby Cromarty » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:50 pm

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm not.


I never said it was, but you obviously want it done.

It will give moral to the US / NATO troops also to the Afghani people i'm positive it will

Then you're deluded.

Did Mai Lai raise US troops morale? Did the Vietnamese like America more because of it?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:51 pm

Chazicaria wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Why not? Shouldn't a civilized nation have a universal moral standard of operations?

Yes, but some "Rules of War" are just complete bullshit and interfere with war fighting. This doesn't quite apply to my argument, I know, and it by no means implies that I support the Taliban's efforts at fighting war, considering that they don't follow rules.

What I'm saying however, is that these men can't be blamed for this. If you've experienced all that those Marines had experienced, I doubt that you'd be thinking rationally, especially when you know each moment could be your last.

Excuses such as "Oh, we're at war and its tough" is no true excuse for breaking conduct when others do not under the same pressure.

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:52 pm

Chazicaria wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Why not? Shouldn't a civilized nation have a universal moral standard of operations?

Yes, but some "Rules of War" are just complete bullshit and interfere with war fighting. This doesn't quite apply to my argument, I know, and it by no means implies that I support the Taliban's efforts at fighting war, considering that they don't follow rules.

What I'm saying however, is that these men can't be blamed for this. If you've experienced all that those Marines had experienced, I doubt that you'd be thinking rationally, especially when you know each moment could be your last.

This is literally the exact same arguement used to defend massacres. Just sayin'.
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Postby Arkotania » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:52 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Or give ammunition to the Taliban, so they can say with total honesty "Hey, look what America did, we were right all along" and paint us as the foreign oppressors they claim we are.


Exactly. We are there to give Afghanistan democracy, not to piss on their sons, brothers, and fathers. While pissing on them creates no immediate harm, it damages our mission there, which is not to kill the Taliban, but to give the Afghan people freedom.

We don't want another Vietnam on our hands. We killed enough innocent people there and achieved absolutely nothing but a bunch of dead americans.
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