US Marines and mistreatment of Taliban dead

[-The West Coast-]

Soldiers shouldn't do that, yeah, but war is an emotionally and physically trying event for human being fighting it. Little quirks or previously unknown character traits are more likely to come out, and those can sometimes be violent.

[Dyakovo]

People need to understand that this is a drop in the ocean compared to what the Taliban would do to American dead. With that understanding comes the fact that this is not a civilized war, where there are conventions and agreements and both sides take care of prisoners.

Everyone, and the media most of all, need to wake up, smell the harsh dawn, and start seeing the situation as it is. And NATO needs to read up on the Selous Scouts.

They'd do it has never been a good excuse.

[Urceo-Carthage]

Really? Since when? Because I've seen literally hundreds upon hundreds of cadets running around here with dress blues, alphas, bravos, charlies, deltas (service), MCUUs, BDUs, etc, etcc.

You've never seen a MCJROTC running around in Dress Blues.

Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH5RuduhO4I

This isn't the HS by my house, but it's MCJROTC>

[Dyakovo]

While this is bad, I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as the kidnapping and torture that the US has been involved in, secret prisons in Poland and other places, delivering prisoners to Egypt and Libya to be tortured in more brutal ways than waterboarding.

There just seems to be a lack of perspective.

Or the kidnappings/torture that the US has been receiving.

Seriously, a handful of Marines mistreat dead Taliban bodies, and it makes OMG HUEG news? Do I need to resort to the "Look at what they do to us" argument, or point out the horrific crap most other countries are committing? It's sensationalist, and you're severely overreacting.

The US military (and imo the Marines Corps especially) should be held to a higher standard than the Taliban.

[Machtergreifung]

People need to understand that this is a drop in the ocean compared to what the Taliban would do to American dead. With that understanding comes the fact that this is not a civilized war, where there are conventions and agreements and both sides take care of prisoners.

Everyone, and the media most of all, need to wake up, smell the harsh dawn, and start seeing the situation as it is. And NATO needs to read up on the Selous Scouts.

They'd do it has never been a good excuse.

It's all about a sense of perspective. When you have people trying to kill you by blowing themselves up next to you, it becomes difficult to treat it as you would with a normal soldier, the same as you, trying to kill you.

It is nothing more than sensationalist hype. If I was the top dog over there, it would be a case of mutilate the body and mail it to his parents in parts.

[Dyakovo]

They'd do it has never been a good excuse.

It's all about a sense of perspective. When you have people trying to kill you by blowing themselves up next to you, it becomes difficult to treat it as you would with a normal soldier, the same as you, trying to kill you.

It is nothing more than sensationalist hype. If I was the top dog over there, it would be a case of mutilate the body and mail it to his parents in parts.

Nice ITG routine.

[The Grand World Order]

Or the kidnappings/torture that the US has been receiving.

Seriously, a handful of Marines mistreat dead Taliban bodies, and it makes OMG HUEG news? Do I need to resort to the "Look at what they do to us" argument, or point out the horrific crap most other countries are committing? It's sensationalist, and you're severely overreacting.

The US military (and imo the Marines Corps especially) should be held to a higher standard than the Taliban.

Left that part out, was focusing on the overreaction. Like I edited in, I don't think pissing on dead bodies is acceptable, but it's not an excuse for someone to start hating America or any of its institutions in whole. In fact, it's hardly newsworthy; it should be punished, but it's not international news.

[Willynillya]

Or the kidnappings/torture that the US has been receiving.

Seriously, a handful of Marines mistreat dead Taliban bodies, and it makes OMG HUEG news? Do I need to resort to the "Look at what they do to us" argument, or point out the horrific crap most other countries are committing? It's sensationalist, and you're severely overreacting.

The US military (and imo the Marines Corps especially) should be held to a higher standard than the Taliban.

Obviously, they are.

[Tekania]

Or the kidnappings/torture that the US has been receiving.

Seriously, a handful of Marines mistreat dead Taliban bodies, and it makes OMG HUEG news? Do I need to resort to the "Look at what they do to us" argument, or point out the horrific crap most other countries are committing? It's sensationalist, and you're severely overreacting.

The US military (and imo the Marines Corps especially) should be held to a higher standard than the Taliban.

I would hope so.... though the thought of the taliban getting into a weiner deep-throating contest does sound interesting... oh wait... you said "higher".

[Urceo-Carthage]

It's all about a sense of perspective. When you have people trying to kill you by blowing themselves up next to you, it becomes difficult to treat it as you would with a normal soldier, the same as you, trying to kill you.

It is nothing more than sensationalist hype. If I was the top dog over there, it would be a case of mutilate the body and mail it to his parents in parts.

Nice ITG routine.

Seriously? Really? Wow... just wow. Stop impersonating a US Marine. You aren't one. The only argument you present is "ITG"? I'm done here, anything leftover from an intelligent conversation has been destroyed by your inability to present a valid argument.

[Machtergreifung]

It's all about a sense of perspective. When you have people trying to kill you by blowing themselves up next to you, it becomes difficult to treat it as you would with a normal soldier, the same as you, trying to kill you.

It is nothing more than sensationalist hype. If I was the top dog over there, it would be a case of mutilate the body and mail it to his parents in parts.

Nice ITG routine.

A excellent reply there and quite amusing, but none the less, it is a sure fire way to discourage all the young hotheads in his village from going out to take potshots and soldiers for a few dollars.

[Farnhamia]

People need to understand that this is a drop in the ocean compared to what the Taliban would do to American dead. With that understanding comes the fact that this is not a civilized war, where there are conventions and agreements and both sides take care of prisoners.

Everyone, and the media most of all, need to wake up, smell the harsh dawn, and start seeing the situation as it is. And NATO needs to read up on the Selous Scouts.

Just because they do it doesn't justify us doing it. "When cruelty and lenity play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the surer winner." Besides, you've already done the worst thing you can to them, you've killed them. Everything else is just publicity. The choice to make is between good publicity or bad. These Marines chose the bad.

[The Grand World Order]

Seriously? Really? Wow... just wow. Stop impersonating a US Marine. You aren't one. The only argument you present is "ITG"? I'm done here, anything leftover from an intelligent conversation has been destroyed by your inability to present a valid argument.

I'd say that Dyakovo's more credible than you when it comes to being a former Marine, judging from what you consider to be realistic military operations in F&NI, such as constantly doing nuclear testing whenever a slight modification is made to ICBMs and producing obnoxious amounts of VX nerve gas for virtually no reason other than to have it.

Or having a 700-million-man Marine Corps instead of an Army.

But, I suppose that's hearsay.

[Serrland]

Nice ITG routine.

A excellent reply there and quite amusing, but none the less, it is a sure fire way to discourage all the young hotheads in his village from going out to take potshots and soldiers for a few dollars.

So doing the exact same thing the Taliban is doing, right? "Don't support the Americans or they'll find your body in a barrel with the testes in the mouth!"

Curious to see that you want us to impersonate our enemies.

[TFF]

No, I was arguing about the fact that on top of being disrespectful, what they did was really stupid for a number of reasons, including the fact that they left themselves open to the dead guys' bodies sneaking up on them.

When dead guys bodies start sneaking up people? Serious zombie shit.

[Cromarty]

Explain to me why I shouldn't think this is an MCJROTC uniform?

Because he, unlike you, isn't a little troll who claimed he was in the marines, among various other things, in your previous incarnation as Great Valencia?

[Machtergreifung]

People need to understand that this is a drop in the ocean compared to what the Taliban would do to American dead. With that understanding comes the fact that this is not a civilized war, where there are conventions and agreements and both sides take care of prisoners.

Everyone, and the media most of all, need to wake up, smell the harsh dawn, and start seeing the situation as it is. And NATO needs to read up on the Selous Scouts.

Just because they do it doesn't justify us doing it. "When cruelty and lenity play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the surer winner." Besides, you've already done the worst thing you can to them, you've killed them. Everything else is just publicity. The choice to make is between good publicity or bad. These Marines chose the bad.

Think about it for a second.

With the current situation, the Talbian recruits think that even if they are killed/captured, they are still subject to laws and regulations. And as a result they take some small comfort in that. Removing them would make them pause for a moment longer before going off to plant some IEDs.

Curious to see that you want us to impersonate our enemies.

Quite right, the only way to beat them is to play thier own game, and do it better. NATO needs to look at the Selous Scouts, as they remain one of the best examples of beating a insurgency.

[Keronians]

Yeah, but being cruel and inhumane to your enemies isn't exactly a commendable thing.

Nor is tossing acid in the faces of littel girls trying to go to school. I would venture alot of Afghanis took some pleasure in those Marines pissing on dead taliban.

And a lot of them didn't.

[North Calaveras]

Just because they do it doesn't justify us doing it. "When cruelty and lenity play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the surer winner." Besides, you've already done the worst thing you can to them, you've killed them. Everything else is just publicity. The choice to make is between good publicity or bad. These Marines chose the bad.

Think about it for a second.

With the current situation, the Talbian recruits think that even if they are killed/captured, they are still subject to laws and regulations. And as a result they take some small comfort in that. Removing them would make them pause for a moment longer before going off to plant some IEDs.

Curious to see that you want us to impersonate our enemies.

Quite right, the only way to beat them is to play thier own game, and do it better. NATO needs to look at the Selous Scouts, as they remain one of the best examples of beating a insurgency.

This ^

Mercy should only be given to those who would give it back.

[Ethel mermania]

The US military (and imo the Marines Corps especially) should be held to a higher standard than the Taliban.

Left that part out, was focusing on the overreaction. Like I edited in, I don't think pissing on dead bodies is acceptable, but it's not an excuse for someone to start hating America or any of its institutions in whole. In fact, it's hardly newsworthy; it should be punished, but it's not international news.

It is not the reason to hate americans, but if you already hate americans, it is one more log on the fire

[Keronians]

Just because they do it doesn't justify us doing it. "When cruelty and lenity play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the surer winner." Besides, you've already done the worst thing you can to them, you've killed them. Everything else is just publicity. The choice to make is between good publicity or bad. These Marines chose the bad.

Think about it for a second.

With the current situation, the Talbian recruits think that even if they are killed/captured, they are still subject to laws and regulations. And as a result they take some small comfort in that. Removing them would make them pause for a moment longer before going off to plant some IEDs.

Curious to see that you want us to impersonate our enemies.

Quite right, the only way to beat them is to play thier own game, and do it better. NATO needs to look at the Selous Scouts, as they remain one of the best examples of beating a insurgency.

I doubt it. They know they'll likely die or be tortured.

They don't care.

On the other hand, the US looks like shit in front of the world.

Realised my post is a bit ambiguous.

I mean, if they treat Taliban the way the Taliban treat Americans, the US would look like shit in front of the world.

[Volnotova]

Not very admirable.

Not in the least.

Very poor behaviour there.

[Rhodmhire]

Good to see these Marines showing how the American troops can honorably distinguish themselves from the Taliban.

Give 'em all medals.

Or, you know, don't do that because that's the opposite of what they're doing.

[Serrland]

Curious to see that you want us to impersonate our enemies.

Quite right, the only way to beat them is to play thier own game, and do it better. NATO needs to look at the Selous Scouts, as they remain one of the best examples of beating a insurgency.

I'm not sure I understand - we vilify them for conducting themselves in such a manner, yet we ourselves should adopt the same methods? I can't see how it could be morally acceptable to stoop to that level.

[Cromarty]

Nice ITG routine.

A excellent reply there and quite amusing, but none the less, it is a sure fire way to discourage all the young hotheads in his village from going out to take potshots and soldiers for a few dollars.

No not really. All it's going to do is provide the Taliban a village load of new recruits.

Congrats!