Dating and Attraction

[AETEN II]

I live in California.
However I happen to luckily go to school in the most conservative county, YAY!
My life is best summed up as the fact that I'm a godless nihilist and egotist yet sometimes find my hands around my own throat.
But enough about me, my problems and thoughts would take up all the memory in the universe. Back to the general girls problems and the OP's.

I'm Californian too, Ventura County.

I'm assuming Kern County?

Alright, back on topic.

Nah, it's Placer. Mormans outta the wazoo and churches that appear to be brainwashing corporations.
And I just lawled at that list. Ignoring the car and job, I'm fairly sure that's the opposite of what you want to do. Unless you're a douche who wants to be in those AXE commercials.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I'm actually not too sure.

[Four-sided Triangles]

If I absolutely had to date someone, I would pick a person I found physically repulsive, so that I could guarantee that I wasn't just dating them because of looks.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'm Californian too, Ventura County.

I'm assuming Kern County?

Alright, back on topic.

Nah, it's Placer. Mormans outta the wazoo and churches that appear to be brainwashing corporations.
And I just lawled at that list. Ignoring the car and job, I'm fairly sure that's the opposite of what you want to do. Unless you're a douche who wants to be in those AXE commercials.

And the car is not even necessary.

[Lost Earth]

Glad I'm not the only one.

Wut did I dooo

You have a flag hauntingly similar to a user named four sided triangle. Look him up.

Edit: note his post above...

[Tahar Joblis]

1.) Get a car.
2.) Get a job (if over 18).
3.) Get money (optional, but having enough of it can overshadow the lack of a job).
4.) Treat women like objects.
5.) Be ruthlessly manipulative.

That works pretty well. If you're not willing to go that far, you might start by (a) studying behavior so you can recognize flirtation [read Cosmo and other "ladies' mags" if nothing else - they spend a lot of time talking about how to know if a guy is into you or if you're into a guy, where "you" is presumed female, generalize away from there] and (b) repeatedly asking one girl after another to hang out with you. (If you can collect a dozen rejections in a week, then you're probably getting somewhere.)

It also helps a lot to already be dating a girl. Women find men much more attractive when they're already taken. You might not find that helpful, though.

Sarcasm, much?

Nope.

I can also give you the skinny on how to have an easy time getting a boyfriend, if you like. It's not much more cheering, come down to it:

1.) Be skinny.
2.) Look pretty.
3.) Treat men like objects.
4.) Be ruthlessly manipulative.
5.) Lower standards, rinse, and repeat.

It's a little simpler for shy girls to get a boyfriend for the first time, because we expect men to take the active role in courtship and women to reject most of their suitors; all most women have to do to break a single spell is to lower their standards. This is why men bitch about not getting dates and women bitch about having shitty dates, really.

[Idaho Conservatives]

I'm Californian too, Ventura County.

I'm assuming Kern County?

Alright, back on topic.

Nah, it's Placer. Mormans outta the wazoo and churches that appear to be brainwashing corporations

Think you got lots of Mormons there? IIRC, Idaho has the highest per capita population in the nation, and according to Google maps I have about 150 Mormon churches within twenty miles of my home.

[The Blaatschapen]

Sarcasm, much?

Nope.

I can also give you the skinny on how to have an easy time getting a boyfriend, if you like. It's not much more cheering, come down to it:

1.) Be skinny.
2.) Look pretty.
3.) Treat men like objects.
4.) Be ruthlessly manipulative.
5.) Lower standards, rinse, and repeat.

It's a little simpler for shy girls to get a boyfriend for the first time, because we expect men to take the active role in courtship and women to reject most of their suitors; all most women have to do to break a single spell is to lower their standards. This is why men bitch about not getting dates and women bitch about having shitty dates, really.

Yeah, I'm rejecting this. I don't see why one should be manipulative and treat the other group like objects. How would that give you a partner?

Edit: Just to be sure, I also reject being skinny and several other of the things on the list(save for perhaps getting a job, but that lies more in the self-improvement direction). But the two things I mentioned above are common in either list, so I'll attack those first

[Arumdaum]

Nope.

I can also give you the skinny on how to have an easy time getting a boyfriend, if you like. It's not much more cheering, come down to it:

1.) Be skinny.
2.) Look pretty.
3.) Treat men like objects.
4.) Be ruthlessly manipulative.
5.) Lower standards, rinse, and repeat.

It's a little simpler for shy girls to get a boyfriend for the first time, because we expect men to take the active role in courtship and women to reject most of their suitors; all most women have to do to break a single spell is to lower their standards. This is why men bitch about not getting dates and women bitch about having shitty dates, really.

Yeah, I'm rejecting this. I don't see why one should be manipulative and treat the other group like objects. How would that give you a partner?

Edit: Just to be sure, I also reject being skinny and several other of the things on the list(save for perhaps getting a job, but that lies more in the self-improvement direction). But the two things I mentioned above are common in either list, so I'll attack those first

Perhaps he's talking about short-term relationships that usually end up bad?

[Metanih]

Generally the way I get girlfriends is to be myself, even though I am one of the more shy people I know. Just get to know someone, and say what feels natural.

[Tahar Joblis]

Nope.

I can also give you the skinny on how to have an easy time getting a boyfriend, if you like. It's not much more cheering, come down to it:

1.) Be skinny.
2.) Look pretty.
3.) Treat men like objects.
4.) Be ruthlessly manipulative.
5.) Lower standards, rinse, and repeat.

It's a little simpler for shy girls to get a boyfriend for the first time, because we expect men to take the active role in courtship and women to reject most of their suitors; all most women have to do to break a single spell is to lower their standards. This is why men bitch about not getting dates and women bitch about having shitty dates, really.

Yeah, I'm rejecting this. I don't see why one should be manipulative and treat the other group like objects. How would that give you a partner?

Oh, I'm not saying that's what one should do; I'm saying that's what works.

Treating people like objects works pretty well when it comes to getting by. This is why sociopaths tend to be extremely charming. (EDIT: I notice the link is implicitly sexist and assumes that only males are ever sociopathic. Women can and do treat men like objects as well. My point is that the charming nature of sociopaths is very well established.) If you don't actually care about the person and their feelings, you are free to act in whatever way seems most likely to alter their behavior to what you want it to be.

[AETEN II]

Yeah, I'm rejecting this. I don't see why one should be manipulative and treat the other group like objects. How would that give you a partner?

Oh, I'm not saying that's what one should do; I'm saying that's what works.

Treating people like objects works pretty well when it comes to getting by. This is why sociopaths tend to be extremely charming. If you don't actually care about the person and their feelings, you are free to act in whatever way seems most likely to alter their behavior to what you want it to be.

Yeah know, I'm either calling troll or shaving him bald to check if 666 is on his scalp.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Oh, I'm not saying that's what one should do; I'm saying that's what works.

Treating people like objects works pretty well when it comes to getting by. This is why sociopaths tend to be extremely charming. (EDIT: I notice the link is implicitly sexist and assumes that only males are ever sociopathic. Women can and do treat men like objects as well. My point is that the charming nature of sociopaths is very well established.) If you don't actually care about the person and their feelings, you are free to act in whatever way seems most likely to alter their behavior to what you want it to be.

Thanks for confirming my preconceptions about how sex and relationships work. It actually makes me glad I'm celibate.

[Yuktova]

I dislike dating, and think it's wasteful. You know, you could just spend that wasted time doing something more intermit...

Like playing NS...

[Mike the Progressive]

Having confidence is the best way. So if you're a virgin, I recommend going to a place where prostitution is "legal" *coughs* and get it on. I was fortunate enough to lose my virginity to a girl who was also a virgin, meaning we rocked each other's (13 year old) worlds, even though in hindsight it was pretty bad. Sorry, losing track, um, you may be wondering: "But Mike the Awesome, what does this have to do with getting a girlfriend?" Simple, losing your virginity does wonder for your self-esteem/confidence.

Note: As far as I see it, in hypocritical society's views, a man who goes around being a man-slut is applauded for his "virility". However, if somebody of the female gender does the same, it's negative all of a sudden.

So if you lose your virginity...socially if you're a guy, it's a "good thing". If you're a girl, well, I don't think your action will get treated as well.

Then again, this is coming out of a virgin who only observes his surroundings.

Who cares? Fuck society. I worship, worship women who are sluts. Like Uni. She's awesome.

[Isengardslaves]

Just wait till you find the right girl, (you'll know) and then be yourself (being who you're not brings you all kinds of trouble), be kind (trust me), and just act natural. Don't get nervous or freeze up. She's your date and you should enjoy the date while it lasts.
But for now, try and make friends, that aren't super-nerds like myself*, and be social. When your anti-social you're avoided and that may be why you can't get a girl friend.
Good luck!!
THE EXTERMINATOR SHALL RISE AGAIN!!

[Ifreann]

Oh, I'm not saying that's what one should do; I'm saying that's what works.

Treating people like objects works pretty well when it comes to getting by. This is why sociopaths tend to be extremely charming. (EDIT: I notice the link is implicitly sexist and assumes that only males are ever sociopathic. Women can and do treat men like objects as well. My point is that the charming nature of sociopaths is very well established.) If you don't actually care about the person and their feelings, you are free to act in whatever way seems most likely to alter their behavior to what you want it to be.

Thanks for confirming my preconceptions about how sex and relationships work. It actually makes me glad I'm celibate.

Didn't you already realise that everyone approaches romance and sex like sociopaths? I thought people learned that before puberty.

[Mushet]

Never dated, kissed, did anything of that sort, women came on to me several times in the past but I was nervous so I froze them out

I just flirt with friends

[Tahar Joblis]

Perhaps he's talking about short-term relationships that usually end up bad?

Maintaining a relationship is indeed a different beast than getting into them in the first place, yes.

[The Blaatschapen]

Note: As far as I see it, in hypocritical society's views, a man who goes around being a man-slut is applauded for his "virility". However, if somebody of the female gender does the same, it's negative all of a sudden.

So if you lose your virginity...socially if you're a guy, it's a "good thing". If you're a girl, well, I don't think your action will get treated as well.

Then again, this is coming out of a virgin who only observes his surroundings.

Who cares? Fuck society. I worship, worship women who are sluts. Like Uni. She's awesome.

I don't worship anybody. But I agree I admire promiscuous women.

[The Blaatschapen]

Thanks for confirming my preconceptions about how sex and relationships work. It actually makes me glad I'm celibate.

Didn't you already realise that everyone approaches romance and sex like sociopaths? I thought people learned that before puberty.

And here I am, believing in my Disney stories

[Tahar Joblis]

Thanks for confirming my preconceptions about how sex and relationships work. It actually makes me glad I'm celibate.

Didn't you already realise that everyone approaches romance and sex like sociopaths? I thought people learned that before puberty.

I think that training mostly happens in middle school, during the onset of puberty.

Of course, I missed middle school, so that would be pure speculation on my part.

More seriously, 4ST, it's not how sex and relationships work; it's what (unfortunately) works to get you sex and into relationships.

I would say that what the OP should do is spend more time hanging out with women. And, no, seriously, reading some women's mags and putting himself in female shoes [metaphorically] will probably help him put a few things into perspective that he just hasn't figured out yet.

[Chaos Crescent]

Never dated, kissed, did anything of that sort, women came on to me several times in the past but I was nervous so I froze them out

I just flirt with friends

Yeah and I think you have restraining orders against those here at least.

[The Blaatschapen]

Didn't you already realise that everyone approaches romance and sex like sociopaths? I thought people learned that before puberty.

I think that training mostly happens in middle school, during the onset of puberty.

Of course, I missed middle school, so that would be pure speculation on my part.

More seriously, 4ST, it's not how sex and relationships work; it's what (unfortunately) works to get you sex and into relationships.

I would say that what the OP should do is spend more time hanging out with women. And, no, seriously, reading some women's mags and putting himself in female shoes [metaphorically] will probably help him put a few things into perspective that he just hasn't figured out yet.

Okay, I kinda agree with that last part. To get to know how people work one should spend time with them. And reading women mags will help you understand women that read women mags. After all, there must be something that makes those magazines popular.

[Four-sided Triangles]

More seriously, 4ST, it's not how sex and relationships work; it's what (unfortunately) works to get you sex and into relationships.

Since that's how you get sex and relationships, this means that such horrid behavior is a necessary step in such things. Therefore, it is immoral to pursue them, correct?