Are men becoming less manly?

[Farnhamia]

Jesus. 'a real man focuses on power, money and family'.

God it's painful to read.

Why is focusing on family a bad thing...oh what, I'm talking to liberals.

I beg your pardon? Our definition of family is rather more inclusive than the conservative one.

[Galla-]

Remind me again, what are the core characteristics of masculinity that can be conclusively proven to be universal in cultures around the globe and throughout history?

http://coedmagazine.com/2007/10/01/top- ... -real-man/

Here you go.

Hey man spiders are scary as shit and I'm probably 10x manlier than whoever wrote that article.

True manliness is having the balls to not having to conform to stereotypical portrayals of manliness to be sure of your masculinity.

[Oterro]

Jesus. 'a real man focuses on power, money and family'.

God it's painful to read.

Why is focusing on family a bad thing...oh what, I'm talking to liberals.

Well, what if I don't want a family!

Apparently, I'm a woman now!

http://coedmagazine.com/2007/10/01/top- ... -real-man/

Here you go.

Hey man spiders are scary as shit and I'm probably 10x manlier than whoever wrote that article.

True manliness is having the balls to not having to conform to stereotypical portrayals of manliness to be sure of your masculinity.

man up bro

[EnragedMaldivians]

http://coedmagazine.com/2007/10/01/top- ... -real-man/

Here you go.

What misogynistic, conservative bullshit.

Some of it reads like bad Onion Satire:

A real man doesn’t have piercings and long hair, and he doesn’t shave his chest. Manicures, however, are acceptable. Massages from female attendants are also tolerated. A real man knows that, outside of his barber, all his personal hygiene needs must be taken care of by a woman.

A real man has at least three suits (with a mandatory pinstriped one) that cost more than a roomful of escorts. A real man wears a suit at least three times a week. Any man who doesn’t know how to tie a tie should hand in his testicoli immediately.

Jesus. 'a real man focuses on power, money and family'.

God it's painful to read.

Why is focusing on family a bad thing...oh what, I'm talking to liberals.

If you have a family, you take responsibility for it; I don't see why gender is relavent.

[Galla-]

Why is focusing on family a bad thing...oh what, I'm talking to liberals.

Well, what if I don't want a family!

Apparently, I'm a woman now!

When he says "focus on family", he means "beat them senseless into submission because you can't show emotions like love or kindness".

Hey man spiders are scary as shit and I'm probably 10x manlier than whoever wrote that article.

True manliness is having the balls to not having to conform to stereotypical portrayals of manliness to be sure of your masculinity.

man up bro

Clicked spoiler.

Cried.

[Cromarty]

http://coedmagazine.com/2007/10/01/top- ... -real-man/

Here you go.

Hey man spiders are scary as shit and I'm probably 10x manlier than whoever wrote that article.

True manliness is having the balls to not having to conform to stereotypical portrayals of manliness to be sure of your masculinity.

katt is manliest man :>

[Right-Wing Amerika]

I'm like 20,000 times more masculine then all the men here because I don't try and adhere to rigid stereotypes, and like I said, I don't even live or dress as a boy. I'm sorry that girls like shemales so much more than men, but thats reality. Actually, I'm not, it benefits me, too bad for you.

[Steel Butterfly]

What is that idiotic column turning into a conservative-liberal argument from both sides? Is NationStates really that vapid? It's a stupid article. That doesn't make it political at all.

[Alaje]

http://coedmagazine.com/2007/10/01/top-10-traits-of-a-real-man/

Here you go.

Hmmm...

Over the last few years of writing this little column, I’ve learned that too many men have no foundation, no basis on which to build the principles I teach. There are many ways to define a man, and different people have different definitions, so I’m going to skip all that crap and tell you the only thing you need to know: My way is the correct way and that’s it, that’s all. Capisce?

What a well thought out opening statement. I'm sure nothing stupid will follow...

Trait #1: A real man is strong
A real man doesn’t cry, doesn’t moan, doesn’t complain, doesn’t get sick, and doesn’t need to go to the doctor every time he sneezes. A real man makes decisions and lives with the consequences. A real man accepts responsibility for his actions and his words. A real man is firm. If life is a b*tch, a real man will slap it and move on.

A real man is macho; a real man is tough; a real man doesn’t show emotions. A real man is the backbone of his family and doesn’t have time to be weak. If spiders scare you, you’ll never be a real man.

A real man doesn't cry? A real man doesn't show emotions? I think a sociopath just stands there straight faced when his parents or siblings die before his eyes, or when his kid is in the hospital with cancer, etc. A real man doesn't give a fuck if he's judged when he cries or not or if he tells his girl that he loves her with a big smile on his face. It's called self confidence. Women love it.

Trait #2: A real man is focused
A real man knows the difference between what’s important and what isn’t. A real man doesn’t waste time on stupidities that don’t bring him any profit. Sure, there are things you can do as a hobby — I like to shoot ducks — but it must have a purpose. The purpose of my hobby is to improve my aim, and I don’t have to tell you whether or not that’s a useful thing in my line of work.

A real man focuses on power, money and family. He doesn’t focus on sex. Sex comes as a result of having power, money and a wife (and if she doesn’t satisfy you, there are plenty of other women who will, especially when you are powerful and rich).

Shooting ducks as a hobby improves your aim and brings you profit? What? I doubt if your job is shooting things that fly you're going to have much power or money. Also, how "focused on family" can you be if you're trading in your wife, who you made a commitment to, because she doesn't "satisfy you?" How about: A real man doesn't puss out of commitment. A real man doesn't marry someone off the cuff and then get sick of her a few years later. A real man has a job that isn't improved by shooting ducks.

Trait #3: A real man knows the importance of family
A real man will keep his family strong and pass on his ancestors’ history and traditions. A real man knows that his children are God’s gift and should be treated as such, even if he disciplines them from time to time.

A real man must also remember his other Family, his organization. In my world, both my family and my Family hold the same importance; I protect them both with all my might. If you have a Family, don’t forget where your loyalties lie and who has your back when you need it.

Importance of family again. From the same guy who advocated trading in his wife. And what the hell is this "his organization" crap? Mafia? KKK? MRDUCKS?

Trait #4: A real man doesn’t gossip
A real man keeps his mouth shut. He shelters information and rations his words. A real man does not reveal more than he has to and doesn’t engage in girlie talk about others. A real man doesn’t discuss things he doesn’t know about or people he has never met.

Aka "how to be a decent human being"

Trait #5: A real man’s word is his bond
When a real man makes a promise, he keeps it. If he can’t keep a promise, he doesn’t give his word. A real man would rather die than break his word. A real man knows that his words are as powerful as his actions, and that they must be taken at face value. That is why he rations them (see above).

A man's word, you know, like "I do" and "till death do us part." Oh shit, those don't count I guess. Apparently a "real man" has no sense of depth or nuance either. Probably too much time duck hunting and not enough schoolin'

Trait #6: A real man strives to be a role model
A real man respects himself and others at all times, unless, of course, he has been disrespected. A real man sets an example for his disciples, and especially for his children. I never bring my work home, so my children only know me as their father and not as a waste management executive. You should do the same; a real man sets the tone for his children and keeps them from discovering that he has weaknesses.

Did the author just admit to being a garbage man? Really? This is how he gets money and power and can trade his wife in for a newer model? No wonder he hides this shit from his kids. They'd know right off the bat what his weakness is.

Trait #7: A real man makes his own fortune
A real man doesn’t settle for handouts or charity when it comes to his personal fortune. A real man isn’t satisfied with papa’s money. He spits on Lady Luck and decides his own destiny. A real man who inherits goods from his forefathers takes his inheritance and turns it into 10 times what it was.

As a wife-cheating, duck-huntin', garbage man's boss. I'm sure his father gave him a trust fund. Actually I'm thinking Lady Luck spit back.

Trait #8: A real man doesn’t look like a woman
A real man doesn’t have piercings and long hair, and he doesn’t shave his chest. Manicures, however, are acceptable. Massages from female attendants are also tolerated. A real man knows that, outside of his barber, all his personal hygiene needs must be taken care of by a woman.

A real man has at least three suits (with a mandatory pinstriped one) that cost more than a roomful of escorts. A real man wears a suit at least three times a week. Any man who doesn’t know how to tie a tie should hand in his testicoli immediately.

So wait, Mr. Duck Hunting Garbage Man Boss Man, long hair and a shaved chest is unacceptable, but a mani-pedi with the boys and a nice deep tissue massage is the macho thing? Not to mention designer suits and fashion MUSTS? Also, who the hell wears a suit 3 times a week? I'm thinking 5, 1, or 0. No one has a "formal MWF." Especially not garbage men. Also, garbage men suits don't count as suits.

Trait #9: A real man keeps his house in order
Have you ever been inside the boss’ house? There ain’t no pizza boxes sitting around, there ain’t no undershirts on the floor, and there sure as hell ain’t no unpaid bills being used as beer coasters. No ruler can rule over a territory if he isn’t already the master of his own home.

This means you lazy pinheads out there need to stop using machismo as an excuse to live like a bottom-feeder; keep your sty spotless, keep your documents in order and — listen up on this one — clean your freaking suits.

So a real man again can't have long hair or show simple human emotion, but he better be fuckin' domestic! Cooking and cleaning is traditional man's work, after all! (Oh and by the way, you really should only dry clean a suit 2-3 times a year. Otherwise it ruins the fabric. ...and I hope that's what he means by "clean." You can't Lysol wipe them.)

Trait #10: A real man can defend himself
You know what’s missing in the world today? Leaders who have had to fight their way to the top. No joking, look at the head of any business that’s circling the toilet bowl, and I’ll show you a boss whose parents’ power and money kept him from ever learning things the hard way.

Every successful capo has been on the wrong end of a beatdown — be it with words or be it with a set of A. Testonis. But those future capos got up again and again, until they knew how to stand their ground… and that, my students, is when you can start to climb the ladder.

Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Cuban...man, the world is really filled with these trust fund babies. Their dads must have been garbage boss wife leaving mani pedi duck killing housekeeping men too.

So what have you learned here today, class?

That this is the stupidest list I have ever encountered?

You learned that you have a lot of homework to do before you can call yourself a real man. A real man is the essence of manhood because, by definition, he has achieved the pinnacle of his role.

That is unbelievably dumb.

You see? That was me trying to be a smartass.

No, a dumbass.

Here’s a bonus trait: A real man keeps it simple.

Like making horribly contrived lists of how to be a "real man."

Remember, the stuff inside matters most.

Like trading in your wife for someone who appreciates your mani-pedi

Lol, you've made some damn good points, I most certainly didn't agree with the "duckshooting and dump your wife if she doesn't satify you" bullshit and I don't know wtf he was talking about on the suits, but it does get my general point across. Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

[Right-Wing Amerika]

Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

Now if that doesnt sound bigoted and judgmental then I don't know what does.

[Kobeanare]

Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

According to whom?

[Galla-]

Hmmm...



What a well thought out opening statement. I'm sure nothing stupid will follow...



A real man doesn't cry? A real man doesn't show emotions? I think a sociopath just stands there straight faced when his parents or siblings die before his eyes, or when his kid is in the hospital with cancer, etc. A real man doesn't give a fuck if he's judged when he cries or not or if he tells his girl that he loves her with a big smile on his face. It's called self confidence. Women love it.



Shooting ducks as a hobby improves your aim and brings you profit? What? I doubt if your job is shooting things that fly you're going to have much power or money. Also, how "focused on family" can you be if you're trading in your wife, who you made a commitment to, because she doesn't "satisfy you?" How about: A real man doesn't puss out of commitment. A real man doesn't marry someone off the cuff and then get sick of her a few years later. A real man has a job that isn't improved by shooting ducks.



Importance of family again. From the same guy who advocated trading in his wife. And what the hell is this "his organization" crap? Mafia? KKK? MRDUCKS?



Aka "how to be a decent human being"



A man's word, you know, like "I do" and "till death do us part." Oh shit, those don't count I guess. Apparently a "real man" has no sense of depth or nuance either. Probably too much time duck hunting and not enough schoolin'



Did the author just admit to being a garbage man? Really? This is how he gets money and power and can trade his wife in for a newer model? No wonder he hides this shit from his kids. They'd know right off the bat what his weakness is.



As a wife-cheating, duck-huntin', garbage man's boss. I'm sure his father gave him a trust fund. Actually I'm thinking Lady Luck spit back.



So wait, Mr. Duck Hunting Garbage Man Boss Man, long hair and a shaved chest is unacceptable, but a mani-pedi with the boys and a nice deep tissue massage is the macho thing? Not to mention designer suits and fashion MUSTS? Also, who the hell wears a suit 3 times a week? I'm thinking 5, 1, or 0. No one has a "formal MWF." Especially not garbage men. Also, garbage men suits don't count as suits.



So a real man again can't have long hair or show simple human emotion, but he better be fuckin' domestic! Cooking and cleaning is traditional man's work, after all! (Oh and by the way, you really should only dry clean a suit 2-3 times a year. Otherwise it ruins the fabric. ...and I hope that's what he means by "clean." You can't Lysol wipe them.)



Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Cuban...man, the world is really filled with these trust fund babies. Their dads must have been garbage boss wife leaving mani pedi duck killing housekeeping men too.



That this is the stupidest list I have ever encountered?



That is unbelievably dumb.



No, a dumbass.



Like making horribly contrived lists of how to be a "real man."



Like trading in your wife for someone who appreciates your mani-pedi

Lol, you've made some damn good points, I most certainly didn't agree with the "duckshooting and dump your wife if she doesn't satify you" bullshit and I don't know wtf he was talking about on the suits, but it does get my general point across. Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

Tell this bullshit to a female Marine.

Put results on Youtube if you can still walk. We need more sexists getting what they deserve tbh.

[Meryuma]

http://coedmagazine.com/2007/10/01/top-10-traits-of-a-real-man/

Sounds like a "real man" is repressed, conformist, power-hungry, overly serious, misogynistic and downright sociopathic. A world where every man was a "real man" would be an awful place.

[Steel Butterfly]

Lol, you've made some damn good points, I most certainly didn't agree with the "duckshooting and dump your wife if she doesn't satify you" bullshit and I don't know wtf he was talking about on the suits, but it does get my general point across. Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

What does "act like women" mean, exactly?

I'll give you the "look" part, but how exactly does a woman act?

[Oterro]

Lol, you've made some damn good points, I most certainly didn't agree with the "duckshooting and dump your wife if she doesn't satify you" bullshit and I don't know wtf he was talking about on the suits, but it does get my general point across. Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

Men should be whatever they want to be and ignore societal and cultural values and do what they like within reason.

[Alaje]

What is that idiotic column turning into a conservative-liberal argument from both sides? Is NationStates really that vapid? It's a stupid article. That doesn't make it political at all.

The funny thing is I'm not even a Conservative......

[EnragedMaldivians]

Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

Nobody is "supposed" to be a "sissy cry-baby".

Are you saying that is the norm for women?

[Galla-]

Lol, you've made some damn good points, I most certainly didn't agree with the "duckshooting and dump your wife if she doesn't satify you" bullshit and I don't know wtf he was talking about on the suits, but it does get my general point across. Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

Men People should be whatever they want to be and ignore societal and cultural values and do what they like within reason.

Fixed.

Stereotypical, cultural views of masculinity and femininity are dumb.

[Oterro]

What is that idiotic column turning into a conservative-liberal argument from both sides? Is NationStates really that vapid? It's a stupid article. That doesn't make it political at all.

The funny thing is I'm not even a Conservative......

''I'm not conservative, I just think men should do exactly what society has traditionally told them to do!''

p. sexist as well, man.

[Steel Butterfly]

Lol, you've made some damn good points, I most certainly didn't agree with the "duckshooting and dump your wife if she doesn't satify you" bullshit and I don't know wtf he was talking about on the suits, but it does get my general point across. Men aren't supposed to be sissy cry babies that look and act like women.

What does "act like women" mean, exactly?

I'll give you the "look" part, but how exactly does a woman act?

Taking this further, even if we are just talking stereotypes, wouldn't the woman be the person who reads top ten lists and magazines and tries to be like all their girlfriends while the man is the one who doesn't give a shit?

[Fanaglia]

While I do think there is a slight trend in our species towards less masculine men (more likely due to the high amount of soy and preservatives in our diets rather than marijuana use), I think it's much less pronounced than the OP seems to think. What it really is, IMO, is just another change in what our society sees as attractive.

[Oterro]

Men People should be whatever they want to be and ignore societal and cultural values and do what they like within reason.

Fixed.

Stereotypical, cultural views of masculinity and femininity are dumb.

Typically one would assume that goes without saying, but...

I actually meant to add in addendum ''Just like women'', but then I forgot and spent a minute thinking about what I had forgotten :(

[Alaje]

What does "act like women" mean, exactly?

I'll give you the "look" part, but how exactly does a woman act?

Taking this further, even if we are just talking stereotypes, wouldn't the woman be the person who reads top ten lists and magazines and tries to be like all their girlfriends while the man is the one who doesn't give a shit?

Lol, nice try. I don't read magazines, their full of media bullshit and idiotic celebrities.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

I personally hope so. :3

[Zitlapopoka]

The feminist movement has resulted in the emasculation of men.