Are men becoming less manly?

[Samuraikoku]

Why not? Many modern men look and smell like women without tits. They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

And that damages you how exactly?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Why?

Why not? Many modern men look and smell like women without tits. They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

The type you're attracted to don't sound particularly fun. Far too restrictive and insecure.

[Kvatchdom]

Why?

Why not? Many modern men look and smell like women without tits. They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

Why not? Please, tell me, why can't a man freely do whatever he wants with his body?

[Free Soviets]

So ive been thinking about a lot of random things lately, and one of the things coming to mind is that men seem to be loosin thier masculine physical features. Talking a look through the decades shows...
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So what we start to see, especially during the 90's and onwards is a lack of masculine features such as muscle tone, facial hair, wide jaws, and a cleft in the chin. Current male sex symbols such as jonny depp and robert pattinson seem to have more feminine facial features such as a smooth jawline, full lips, and slender body.

whats weird is that you have the facts wrong all over the place. your choices for sex symbols in the recent two decades are known for playing incredibly 'masculine' characters. hell, as CM pointed out, one of them actually played a character explicitly taking the very traits you are holding up to the extreme (though that was something of a deconstruction of it, obviously). you also ignore other sex symbols of the recent decades that don't fit your idea. george fucking clooney, for example. the man is perpetually grizzled.

even worse, you ignore other sex symbols of earlier decades that don't fit your narrative. like the intentionally freaky androgyny of david bowie and the boyishness of the beatles.

even worser, you completely miss out on the fact that the waves of fashion have ebbed and flowed for centuries. if anything, your 'non-manly' features and stylings have traditionally been the ones most sought after in the upper classes.

[Drumm]

Saying that men shouldn't wear v-necks is ridiculous.

[Jordan]

I think people are just starting to like masculine and "manly" guys less.

[Ashmoria]

is someone seriously suggesting that a man is manly or not based on whether or not he wears vneck shirts?

isnt there anything more to "manly" than clothing?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

is someone seriously suggesting that a man is manly or not based on whether or not he wears vneck shirts?

isnt there anything more to "manly" than clothing?

Prowess in 'windmilling'

[Westfold]

i feel the loss of masculinity is a result of woman and the type of men they pursue. For example there was a time where real men were large full of hair, (i.e. chest hair), now women want men clean shaven no body hair, pedicures, manicures, woman want their men to be metrosexual. So in order for men to attract the women we have to adapt. Me personally i say forget that im happy being the text book rugged man, im big, musclular, hairy, basically a bear.

[West Failure]

They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

So we should not be concerned with how we look, but we should take care not to dress in certain ways? Seems a bit of a contradiction.

[Desperate Measures]

is someone seriously suggesting that a man is manly or not based on whether or not he wears vneck shirts?

isnt there anything more to "manly" than clothing?

If your beard is good, people will never suspect that you have homoerotic fantasies.

[Ashmoria]

is someone seriously suggesting that a man is manly or not based on whether or not he wears vneck shirts?

isnt there anything more to "manly" than clothing?

If your beard is good, people will never suspect that you have homoerotic fantasies.

well.... looking at the hair fetishist above....MOST people will never suspect. those who have a slight familiarity with gay porn will suspect it immediately.

[Samuraikoku]

I look like the Beatles (Paul McCartney a little bit), and I don't give one particular damn.

[Talislanta]

Why not? Many modern men look and smell like women without tits. They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

The type you're attracted to don't sound particularly fun. Far too restrictive and insecure.

Sorry but I'm not attracted to men at all. I happen to be a man and I'm hetrosexual. How come not liking metrosexuals lead to restrictive and being insecure? Not everyone male wants to look like John Galliano.

[Ifreann]

Why?

Why not? Many modern men look and smell like women without tits. They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

If that's what those men want then I don't see a problem with it. Nor do I see why you do have a problem with it. Why does it matter to you what other men look like?

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is someone seriously suggesting that a man is manly or not based on whether or not he wears vneck shirts?

isnt there anything more to "manly" than clothing?

Clothes make the man.

[West Failure]

Not everyone male wants to look like John Galliano.

I suspect the number of men worldwide who want to look like John Galliano could be counted on the toes of one foot.

[Milks Empire]

Where's the I-Don't-Give-A Fuck op- oh wait; there's no poll. Never mind. Still not worth getting your knickers in a twist though.

[Horsefish]

is someone seriously suggesting that a man is manly or not based on whether or not he wears vneck shirts?

isnt there anything more to "manly" than clothing?

Prowess in 'windmilling'

Well how else are you supposed to sort out dominance?

[Samuraikoku]

Clothes make the man.

Contrary to popular belief.

[Free Soviets]

They spend way to much time trying to be a pretty boy. Also men should never ever wear a shirt with a V neck.

So we should not be concerned with how we look, but we should take care not to dress in certain ways? Seems a bit of a contradiction.

listen, its very simple. you must studiously study fashion and grooming and bodily maintenance, so you can learn exactly how you must look to not look like you care deeply about fashion and grooming and bodily maintenance. you need to be well manicured and have exactly the right sort of stubble. but not, you know, the gay sort of stubble.

[Desperate Measures]

So we should not be concerned with how we look, but we should take care not to dress in certain ways? Seems a bit of a contradiction.

listen, its very simple. you must studiously study fashion and grooming and bodily maintenance, so you can learn exactly how you must look to not look like you care deeply about fashion and grooming and bodily maintenance. you need to be well manicured and have exactly the right sort of stubble. but not, you know, the gay sort of stubble.

You should probably also research gay porn sites, if you want to be doubly sure. The best time is after your SO has gone to sleep and with a bottle of a good wine.

[Talislanta]

Not everyone male wants to look like John Galliano.

I suspect the number of men worldwide who want to look like John Galliano could be counted on the toes of one foot.

But he is the poster boy for metrosexuals.'

Just to be clear, people can wear whatever the hell they want. But I do not have to like it. Nor do they have to like what I wear. But men wearing V necks or white linen pants pants, pink shirts well that is not my cup of tea.

[Desperate Measures]

I suspect the number of men worldwide who want to look like John Galliano could be counted on the toes of one foot.

But he is the poster boy for metrosexuals.'

Just to be clear, people can wear whatever the hell they want. But I do not have to like it. Nor do they have to like what I wear. But men wearing V necks or white linen pants pants, pink shirts well that is not my cup of tea.

Tell us more about the men you do like.

[Milks Empire]

But he is the poster boy for metrosexuals.'
Just to be clear, people can wear whatever the hell they want. But I do not have to like it. Nor do they have to like what I wear. But men wearing V necks or white linen pants pants, pink shirts well that is not my cup of tea.

Tell us more about the men you do like.

Pwned!

[Marxismo]

it's just an end result of the hippies becoming parents, and the thwarting of bullying in schools.
bullying used to serve as a kind of "error correction" in childhood, now these errors are embraced and encouraged.