Why are you an Atheist?

[TheIncorporation]

Feel free to.

I meant the athiests like Mavorpen: The ones that think you're a moron, that all religious belief is stupid and you're a moron if you believe in it, all Christianity ever leads to is destruction and death, and that go out of their way to prove to you that all your beliefs are wrong.

Who are a vast minority in a group that has no defining majority.

Exactly. I have a problem with them.

All other atheists?

Perfectly decent people who live productive lives but believe a different thing than I do. No problem there.

[Free Felbah]

There is no proof. And why believe in something without proof?

No proof that there isn't a God either.

A lack of proof that something does not exist is not proof of its existence.

Example:

Flying rainbow unicorns exist.

Is there proof of their existence? No.

However, since there is likewise no proof of their non-existence (aside from the absence of proof of their existence) then obviously they must exist, because they cannot be proven not to.

What you have stumbled upon here is a logical fallacy. I don't know the technical term for this particular fallacy, but it is a rather common one. And like most such fallacies, it's also straight up stupid.

Something can only be known to exist if objective and verifiable proof of its existence can be presented.

[Ifreann]

Atheist isn't the same as Vulcan. Atheists can believe in anything other than a god and still be atheists.

Except Bigfoot.

Yes, except Bigfoot.

[Avenio]

I pity your for believing in delusional being and not grasping reality.

Seriously, we get that you're an edgy teenage atheist. You even brought a Bible with scribbles all over it to school to show everyone how cool you are, slow clap for you. But this pseudo-flamebaiting angry atheist schtick isn't helping our cause, isn't pleasant to read and more importantly isn't making open discussion any easier.

[TheIncorporation]

...I don't know a thing about Buddhism. At all. Might look into it a bit.

And I've always assumed Atheism=Vulcans.

Atheism=Rationality, there is no spirituality, logic and science are king.

That's one misconception about atheism that I find myself having to explain over and over (that's not a jab at you, I'm just saying I can understand your confusion as it is a very common mistake). Atheism means, simply, that there is no belief in a deity/god. That's it, nothing else.

Oh.

Okay then, I have no problem with Atheism in itself. Sorry for the misconception.

I guess the only problem I have are with a few of the people in it, and that can be said about every philosophy or belief. Atheism is just not what I was raised up with-I was raised up with Christianity, and while it has some problems with a few of the beliefs, I see no problems with the core doctrine or any reason to disbelieve it.

[Eleutheria]

Who are a vast minority in a group that has no defining majority.

Exactly. I have a problem with them.

All other atheists?

Perfectly decent people who live productive lives but believe a different thing than I do. No problem there.

Does it worry you at all, I dont mean this offensively im actually curious, but does the spread of atheism worry you, that it has become permittable and quite popular recently to be an atheist, and that one day we might see a world with an atheist majority?

[TheIncorporation]

Exactly. I have a problem with them.

All other atheists?

Perfectly decent people who live productive lives but believe a different thing than I do. No problem there.

Does it worry you at all, I dont mean this offensively im actually curious, but does the spread of atheism worry you, that it has become permittable and quite popular recently to be an atheist, and that one day we might see a world with an atheist majority?

Not really. A few things about Atheist beliefs are a bit worrying, possibly the heavily pro-abortion movements, but no, not the Atheists themselves.

Yes, if you are raped, abortion is okay. No, abortion is not birth control, and it should not be nearly as common as it is. Over a third of my generation has been aborted-they never even had the chance to live. I mean, seriously? C'mon.

[Leepaidamba]

...yeah...

I mean, it's not like I don't doubt religion, it's just that's what I've been raised with and I still haven't seen a compelling reason why to dismiss it. I'm already fairly skeptic. Not so much rational. And humanism? Bah. Humans are kind of stupid. We run around killing each other. I've been doubting my worldview for a while, but I've researched a large amount on both sides and still see no compelling reason to drop faith.

What, Christianity? Let's start here and you can do the rest from there. There are a lot of good video's on that channel, mostly criticising religion and primarily Christianity. There are a lot of other channels on YouTube with great video's available.

I have to admit, the discussion and debate part seems important.

But why would you want to view your life as this:

Eat, sleep, drink, be merry, die. Non-existence.

It's just so...pointless.

It just so happens that beliefs are informed not by what we want. I don't believe something because I want it to be true. Me believing something won't make it true now would it?
And if it would, I'd go with some view of reality which doesn't involve us being condemned for the "sin" of the first couple leading to us having to go with a set of strict rules to get into a world in which we'll have eternal bliss, with the alternative being that we get eternal pain, I'd go with reincarnation with all memories being cut to something else in the inbetween-lives-phase and a random new life.

And of course, I know what it's like not to exist, and so do you. Is it really that bad?

[Ifreann]

Does it worry you at all, I dont mean this offensively im actually curious, but does the spread of atheism worry you, that it has become permittable and quite popular recently to be an atheist, and that one day we might see a world with an atheist majority?

Not really. A few things about Atheist beliefs are a bit worrying, possibly the heavily pro-abortion movements, but no, not the Atheists themselves.

Yes, if you are raped, abortion is okay. No, abortion is not birth control, and it should not be nearly as common as it is. Over a third of my generation has been aborted-they never even had the chance to live. I mean, seriously? C'mon.

There are both pro- and anti-abortion atheists. The two positions are totally unrelated.

And yeah, let's not not turn this into an abortion thread.

[Eleutheria]

Does it worry you at all, I dont mean this offensively im actually curious, but does the spread of atheism worry you, that it has become permittable and quite popular recently to be an atheist, and that one day we might see a world with an atheist majority?

Not really. A few things about this are a bit worrying, possibly the heavily pro-abortion movements, but no, not exactly.

Yes, if you are raped, abortion is okay.

NO, IT IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL and it should not be nearly as common as it is. Over a third of my generation has been aborted-they never even had the chance to live. I mean, seriously? C'mon.

I think you have mistaken atheism with the pro-choice movement, a very famous atheist christopher hitchens was pro-life, I myself am pro-life (well sort of-I think that the abortion pill in the first few days after intercourse is perhaps permittable, but not otherwise), dont be fooled into thinking that atheists dont view life as being sacred, its partially because of my atheism that im pro-life, i think theres only one life-who are we to deny a kid that life? Abortion is a controversial issue amongst atheists as well

[Mavorpen]

Bollocks did you. How is my post bullshit because you can't explain your weird anti-alien-religion views?

I already explained them. I have told you to try actually reading about this stuff. Is reading really this difficult?

[Leepaidamba]

Not really. A few things about this are a bit worrying, possibly the heavily pro-abortion movements, but no, not exactly.

Yes, if you are raped, abortion is okay.

NO, IT IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL and it should not be nearly as common as it is. Over a third of my generation has been aborted-they never even had the chance to live. I mean, seriously? C'mon.

I think you have mistaken atheism with the pro-choice movement, a very famous atheist christopher hitchens was pro-life, I myself am pro-life (well sort of-I think that the abortion pill in the first few days after intercourse is perhaps permittable, but not otherwise), dont be fooled into thinking that atheists dont view life as being sacred, its partially because of my atheism that im pro-life, i think, theres only one life-who are we to deny a kid that life?

I'm anti-abortion and anti-life.

[TheIncorporation]

It just so happens that beliefs are informed not by what we want. I don't believe something because I want it to be true. Me believing something won't make it true now would it?
And if it would, I'd go with some view of reality which doesn't involve us being condemned for the "sin" of the first couple leading to us having to go with a set of strict rules to get into a world in which we'll have eternal bliss, with the alternative being that we get eternal pain, I'd go with reincarnation with all memories being cut to something else in the inbetween-lives-phase and a random new life.

And of course, I know what it's like not to exist, and so do you. Is it really that bad?

Wait, I know what it's like not to exist? I don't think so. Presumably, it's not that bad.

But it makes life so...pointless.

[TheIncorporation]

Not really. A few things about this are a bit worrying, possibly the heavily pro-abortion movements, but no, not exactly.

Yes, if you are raped, abortion is okay.

NO, IT IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL and it should not be nearly as common as it is. Over a third of my generation has been aborted-they never even had the chance to live. I mean, seriously? C'mon.

I think you have mistaken atheism with the pro-choice movement, a very famous atheist christopher hitchens was pro-life, I myself am pro-life (well sort of-I think that the abortion pill in the first few days after intercourse is perhaps permittable, but not otherwise), dont be fooled into thinking that atheists dont view life as being sacred, its partially because of my atheism that im pro-life, i think theres only one life-who are we to deny a kid that life? Abortion is a controversial issue amongst atheists as well

.......dang.

I haven't done enough research on Atheism, evidently.

But then again, I don't think any two Atheists believe the same things.

[Ifreann]

Bollocks did you. How is my post bullshit because you can't explain your weird anti-alien-religion views?

I already explained them. I have told you to try actually reading about this stuff. Is reading really this difficult?

Where was it you explained them?

And really, I'm not going to go out and buy some books because you think they support your position. I have neither the motivation nor the disposable income for that kind of shit.

[Norstal]

By being a Buddhist?

...I don't know a thing about Buddhism. At all. Might look into it a bit.

And I've always assumed Atheism=Vulcans.

Atheism=Rationality, there is no spirituality, logic and science are king.

So what the hell do you call people who doesn't believe in god?

And no, it's not agnosticism as there are agnostic Christians.

[Eleutheria]

It just so happens that beliefs are informed not by what we want. I don't believe something because I want it to be true. Me believing something won't make it true now would it?
And if it would, I'd go with some view of reality which doesn't involve us being condemned for the "sin" of the first couple leading to us having to go with a set of strict rules to get into a world in which we'll have eternal bliss, with the alternative being that we get eternal pain, I'd go with reincarnation with all memories being cut to something else in the inbetween-lives-phase and a random new life.

And of course, I know what it's like not to exist, and so do you. Is it really that bad?

Wait, I know what it's like not to exist? I don't think so. Presumably, it's not that bad.

But it makes life so...pointless.

I think that all belief essentially stems from what we want, religion in part stemmed from a want of answers about life that couldnt be answered by science at the time, and also by mans fears of death.

[Norstal]

Wait, I know what it's like not to exist? I don't think so. Presumably, it's not that bad.

But it makes life so...pointless.

Life is only pointless when you make it pointless.

I carve my own path. I create my own goals. I don't need anyone else to tell me what to do with my life. Because, guess what? It's my life.

[Mavorpen]

Where was it you explained them?

And really, I'm not going to go out and buy some books because you think they support your position. I have neither the motivation nor the disposable income for that kind of shit.

I explained them a page or two ago. If you don't have the motivation to read about something, don't make bullshit claims about it since you obviously don't understand it. Simple.

[TheIncorporation]

...I don't know a thing about Buddhism. At all. Might look into it a bit.

And I've always assumed Atheism=Vulcans.

Atheism=Rationality, there is no spirituality, logic and science are king.

So what the hell do you call people who doesn't believe in god?

And no, it's not agnosticism as there are agnostic Christians.

People who don't believe in god? Athiests. Not Agnosticism.

Ugh. Agnosticism is a horrible cop-out. It's so wishy-washy.

Life is only pointless when you make it pointless.

I carve my own path. I create my own goals. I don't need anyone else to tell me what to do with my life. Because, guess what? It's my life.

That's...a really frightening prospect. You shape everything? That's just...

I kind of like having a set purpose.

[Aglorea]

I think you have mistaken atheism with the pro-choice movement, a very famous atheist christopher hitchens was pro-life, I myself am pro-life (well sort of-I think that the abortion pill in the first few days after intercourse is perhaps permittable, but not otherwise), dont be fooled into thinking that atheists dont view life as being sacred, its partially because of my atheism that im pro-life, i think theres only one life-who are we to deny a kid that life? Abortion is a controversial issue amongst atheists as well

.......dang.

I haven't done enough research on Atheism, evidently.

But then again, I don't think any two Atheists believe the same things.

Like I said, there's not much to research in and of itself. Atheism is merely not believing in a deity or a god. Anything past that, whether it be religion, politics, philosophy, or really anything else is totally different and not necessarily directly related.

[Eleutheria]

So what the hell do you call people who doesn't believe in god?

And no, it's not agnosticism as there are agnostic Christians.

People who don't believe in god? Athiests.

Ugh. Agnosticism is a horrible cop-out. It's so wishy-washy.

I think agnosticism is just as viable belief as atheism and theism, its rational, admitting that you dont know all the facts and waiting to for a postion when those facts are known. However as an atheist i think that enough facts are known to disprove God, Theists say that enough facts are known to prove God.

[Mavorpen]

That's...a really frightening prospect. You shape everything? That's just...

I kind of like having a set purpose.

...Why?

[TheIncorporation]

Wait, I know what it's like not to exist? I don't think so. Presumably, it's not that bad.

But it makes life so...pointless.

I think that all belief essentially stems from what we want, religion in part stemmed from a want of answers about life that couldnt be answered by science at the time, and also by mans fears of death.

Possibly true. But can they be answered now? I mean, science still can't explain how we were created.

And don't give me the Big Bang. That's absolutely ridiculous, and I've researched that one a lot.

And the chances for human life and the universe to have laws and everything to be possible for life...absolutely ridiculously small. I mean, what are the chances of that?

[TheIncorporation]

People who don't believe in god? Athiests.

Ugh. Agnosticism is a horrible cop-out. It's so wishy-washy.

I think agnosticism is just as viable belief as atheism and theism, its rational, admitting that you dont know all the facts and waiting to for a postion when those facts are known. However as an atheist i think that enough facts are known to disprove God, Theists say that enough facts are known to prove God.

Well, yes. But that's like, "I'm not sure about anything so I'll just go through life not believing either." And we'll probably never get to the point where those facts are known and confirmed by science.