Scottish Independence - Yay or Nay? (Poll)

[Marcurix]

shut up scotland

signed
englishman, man who lives in canada, spaniard, BRITISH MAN
total votes in the referendum: 0

oh no does this make me racist

Nope, but perhaps bigoted and a tad childish.

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Um, why should Scotland be independent? Is there much demand for independence in Scotland? Is the rest of the UK unjust in its treatment of the Scottish people?

I'm just asking. I'm honestly ignorant on this topic.

[I-gloo]

I'd say nay for the sole fact that it would be splitting apart an ancient Union. I support greater autonomy of Scotland though. Nay to independence and yay to more autonomy.

[Dundee Derry]

They should probably use the oil money to invest in hydroelectric so they can be energy independent and maybe even become the one the UK is dependant on...

...which is exactly what the SNP's policy is.

EDIT: Actually, that would also include other re-newables such as tidal, wind, wave etc.

[Alyakia]

shut up scotland

signed
englishman, man who lives in canada, spaniard, BRITISH MAN
total votes in the referendum: 0

oh no does this make me racist

Nope, but perhaps bigoted and a tad childish.

I was hoping your next post would have has less pretty put downs. Oh well. Could you go and read my other post? Thanks!

total votes in the referendum: 0

[Marcurix]

Um, why should Scotland be independent? Is there much demand for independence in Scotland? Is the rest of the UK unjust in its treatment of the Scottish people?

I'm just asking. I'm honestly ignorant on this topic.

Some people in Scotland do wish for independence from the UK, and the call has come to the front due to the SNP winning majority in the last Scottish election. As for how much independence is asked for, well the upcoming referendum will decide that.

Is the rest of the UK unjust in its treatment of the Scottish people?

I would say no.

[Northumbria]

I'm Anglo-Scottish and I want Scotland to stay part of the UK. I don't mind more autonomy for the country but I think it's unfair how Scottish MPs can vote on English matters but not the other way round.

I agree with the Lib Dem policy of a "federal" UK, where England has a parliament with at least equal powers to the Scottish Parliament, with only defence, foreign policy and taxation/economic policy decided by a national parliament at Westminster.

[Alyakia]

Um, why should Scotland be independent? Is there much demand for independence in Scotland? Is the rest of the UK unjust in its treatment of the Scottish people?

I'm just asking. I'm honestly ignorant on this topic.

The UK is effectively unjust in it's treatment of the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people. And the other groups who are now sad because I did not name them on the internet,

I would say no.

Of course you would.

[Marcurix]

Nope, but perhaps bigoted and a tad childish.

I was hoping your next post would have has less pretty put downs. Oh well. Could you go and read my other post? Thanks!

total votes in the referendum: 0

And your post was better? It was incredibly petty if nothing else. I've read your other posts, and while they may have some merit this last one was undoubtedly silly.

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Um, why should Scotland be independent? Is there much demand for independence in Scotland? Is the rest of the UK unjust in its treatment of the Scottish people?

I'm just asking. I'm honestly ignorant on this topic.

The UK is effectively unjust in it's treatment of the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people. And the other groups who are now sad because I did not name them on the internet,

I would say no.

Of course you would.

How is it unjust?

[Alyakia]

I was hoping your next post would have has less pretty put downs. Oh well. Could you go and read my other post? Thanks!

total votes in the referendum: 0

And your post was better? It was incredibly petty if nothing else. I've read your other posts, and while they may have some merit this last one was undoubtedly silly.

"1) proof
2) hey isn't that the case for the UK too"

"No, he's completely right! Do you want to tell you about the inherent value of human life and how all life deserves respect and death is not to be celebrated, or should I start shouting and swearing at you for making such a useless and shitty post with its content existing to attack "people like that"?"

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[Marcurix]

I'm just asking. I'm honestly ignorant on this topic.

The UK is effectively unjust in it's treatment of the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people.

Do explain

I would say no.

Of course you would.[/quote]

Having been to these places? Yes. Though do feel free to explain how if you think differently.

[SD_Film Artists]

Or England is dependant on, as a UK without Scotland will be a sorry sight.

oh crap yeah....you see the subconscious view of an english person now...

Only now? I think I've been quite vocal for a long time that we [the home nations] are much better united than separated.

i say UK whether scotland is in it or not. although technically the UK includes northern ireland as well as england and so would still be named as a such.

And Wales.

[Dundee Derry]

I'm Anglo-Scottish and I want Scotland to stay part of the UK. I don't mind more autonomy for the country but I think it's unfair how Scottish MPs can vote on English matters but not the other way round.

I agree with the Lib Dem policy of a "federal" UK, where England has a parliament with at least equal powers to the Scottish Parliament, with only defence, foreign policy and taxation/economic policy decided by a national parliament at Westminster.

Welcome to the debate. Have a Whisky.

Are you actually a Lib Dem? I thought they were an endangered species.

[Alyakia]

The UK is effectively unjust in it's treatment of the Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and English people. And the other groups who are now sad because I did not name them on the internet,



Of course you would.

How is it unjust?

oh i am not good at explaining this i'm not really all that nationalist at all

notthatit'smuchofanationalist concept

um

the tl;dr version is that the the south-east of england fucks everyone and everyone happily throws all their eggs into one basket and the government unlike the rest of the worlds governments pretty much encourages it (note: most of these eggs may or may not actually exist) and then everyone gets a parliament but england and people start pulling shit like supporting free prescriptions in scotland and wales but opposing it in england and blahblah west lothian question. someone else will explain it better. eventually. i am kinda bad at explaining things. sorry. <3

Having been to these places? Yes. Though do feel free to explain how if you think differently.

Having been to these places? Oh do tell!

[Alyakia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIiXjjEcjE

i can't remember if this got posted yet so

[Marcurix]

And your post was better? It was incredibly petty if nothing else. I've read your other posts, and while they may have some merit this last one was undoubtedly silly.

"1) proof
2) hey isn't that the case for the UK too"

"No, he's completely right! Do you want to tell you about the inherent value of human life and how all life deserves respect and death is not to be celebrated, or should I start shouting and swearing at you for making such a useless and shitty post with its content existing to attack "people like that"?"

):

I do get round to replying, eventually. I wasn't talking about those ones either.

For proof you may look here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16548644

or here

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Stati ... onomy/GERS

But my point lies in this:

A sovereign fund, of which the poster suggests, does require actual funds to complete. An independent Scotland is looking at roughly a 10% deficit at this point. Slightly less than the UK as a whole, but still pretty substantial. Whats more the SNP government has shown itself highly opposed to cuts, in an area of the UK where public employment makes up roughly 1/4 of the workforce.

this is no an easy goal to accomplish. Even countries like Russia, whose finances have been pretty good in recent years with large energy profits have struggled to match Norway in this regard.

"No, he's completely right! Do you want to tell you about the inherent value of human life and how all life deserves respect and death is not to be celebrated, or should I start shouting and swearing at you for making such a useless and shitty post with its content existing to attack "people like that"?"

My point to that poster was it's unlikely to happen. I've seen the hate some people hold for Thatcher, justified or otherwise. They're pretty set in that hate.

Having been to these places? Oh do tell!

I thought by now you''d gathered I've traveled a bit. Birmingham, London, Cardiff, Belfast, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh and so on. I often find the treatment universal under the system of local councils and such.

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

How is it unjust?

oh i am not good at explaining this i'm not really all that nationalist at all

notthatit'smuchofanationalist concept

um

the tl;dr version is that the the south-east of england fucks everyone and everyone happily throws all their eggs into one basket and the government unlike the rest of the worlds governments pretty much encourages it (note: most of these eggs may or may not actually exist) and then everyone gets a parliament but england and people start pulling shit like supporting free prescriptions in scotland and wales but opposing it in england and blahblah west lothian question. someone else will explain it better. eventually. i am kinda bad at explaining things. sorry. <3

Having been to these places? Yes. Though do feel free to explain how if you think differently.

Having been to these places? Oh do tell!

Um, no problem. I think that what I got from that was that the government of Britain actively encourages discrimination against other groups in the UK, even though all are supposed to have equal representation in Parliament.
Do you have an example, or a link...?

[United Casio]

I am Irish and I support Scottish Independence.

[SD_Film Artists]

I am Irish and I support Scottish Independence.

Because?

[SD_Film Artists]

oh i am not good at explaining this i'm not really all that nationalist at all

notthatit'smuchofanationalist concept

um

the tl;dr version is that the the south-east of england fucks everyone and everyone happily throws all their eggs into one basket and the government unlike the rest of the worlds governments pretty much encourages it (note: most of these eggs may or may not actually exist) and then everyone gets a parliament but england and people start pulling shit like supporting free prescriptions in scotland and wales but opposing it in england and blahblah west lothian question. someone else will explain it better. eventually. i am kinda bad at explaining things. sorry. <3



Having been to these places? Oh do tell!

Um, no problem. I think that what I got from that was that the government of Britain actively encourages discrimination against other groups in the UK, even though all are supposed to have equal representation in Parliament.
Do you have an example, or a link...?

Do you have an example, or a link?

[Keronians]

By being a part of the UK, the Scottish become a part of a great power, and as such can benefit from the resulting economic, military, scientific, technological, political, etc. economies of scale.

hey keronia

could you explain to these plebs why they should totally join your federal europe dream state

If they don't, then they should take that into account. England's larger economy largely subsidises the Scottish people.

nope

1) Not relevant to this thread.

2) I already said how it does.

[Keronians]

shut up scotland

signed
englishman, man who lives in canada, spaniard, BRITISH MAN
total votes in the referendum: 0

oh no does this make me racist

Great how you equate: "don't see much of a reason" with "shut up".

Btw, where do you swing on this issue?

Of course, not that it matters. Whatever you think, your vote, like mine, is non-existent.

[Trixiestan]

shut up scotland

signed
englishman, man who lives in canada, spaniard, BRITISH MAN
total votes in the referendum: 0

oh no does this make me racist

Great how you equate: "don't see much of a reason" with "shut up".

Btw, where do you swing on this issue?

Of course, not that it matters. Whatever you think, your vote, like mine, is non-existent.

She's already said she's pro-Union and she's Scottish so :v

[Kulverint]

Scotland should forge it's own path in the world. We should separate from the English who are not our people and care little for us. Membership of the UK has done Scotland little favours in recent times. Whether it is illegal wars, neo-liberal economic policies or simply Margaret Thatcher. It is either Independence for Scotland or to be what Jim Sillars called "90 Minute Patriots"!

Yeah, apart from us Welsh & English, bailing you out from your quest to build colonies in Panama. And, "English who are not our people and care little for us" That said, this discussion just proves English people care about Scotland, if the English didn't care, would they quest for you not to leave the Union? Yes, they do, hence showing the give a shit, if they didn't they would be, "okay leave have your bloody freedom, and sheep, good luck with oil trying to supply your NHS, have fun, we don't give a shit about you!"

And "Not our people" sounds very racial, I would say racist. You are British, since you live on the island, known as Great Britain, in the British isles, hence those people who live there, are British. Just like people who live on Europe, are called Europeans. I won't go into that area, whether Irish are British. Since like its kinda off topic

Wow, I never thought I'd see a Welshman make a racial slur about sheep to someone else...