Scottish Independence - Yay or Nay? (Poll)

[Taboa]

Not the politicians, the parliament, it needs time to develop it's ministries, voting system, everything really.

In what way? It seems perfectly capable of administrating the country at a devolved level at the moment.

Yeah but only at a devolved level where it has the UK's money to back it up, like I said I'm all for Scottish Independence, just not now. You can have the best politicians in the world in the Scottish Parliament but if the way the parliament is run isn't as good as the UK's then they'll struggle. Me and my politics group discussed it at length, we even had a former SNP MSP come talk to us and he said that the parliament wasn't ready, the politicians were but not the parliament, it needed to be developed more so it could stand on it's own two feet.

[Alyakia]

so hey taboa

tell me about the latest scottish parliament election

do you have anything to back the idea they're all inexpereinced and useless except "WELL I'M 17 AND THERE'S NO WAY SOMETHING THAT'S NEW COULD DO ANYTHING RIGHT"?

Seriously? I thought this was meant to be genuine debate, not where you try and insult someone who doesn't feel the same way as you do. The Scottish Parliament is inexperienced, it was made in 1998, the UK Parliament was made centuries ago, the Scottish Parliament is too inexperienced and undeveloped, maybe Scottish Independence in a century or so, but not now, it's not experienced enough. Although this will soon be shot down by Alyakia because if someone disagrees with him they're instantly wrong and should be insulted.

So hey Taboa, tell me about the latest Scottish parliament election.

I haven't insulted you, yet. Your argument is literally "they're young and therefore the must be inexperienced and crap". They seem to doing pretty well so far. Argurably better than the UK parliament.

[Alyakia]

In what way? It seems perfectly capable of administrating the country at a devolved level at the moment.

Yeah but only at a devolved level where it has the UK's money to back it up, like I said I'm all for Scottish Independence, just not now. You can have the best politicians in the world in the Scottish Parliament but if the way the parliament is run isn't as good as the UK's then they'll struggle. Me and my politics group discussed it at length, we even had a former SNP MSP come talk to us and he said that the parliament wasn't ready, the politicians were but not the parliament, it needed to be developed more so it could stand on it's own two feet.

Oh, you can't leave us hanging without a name. ):

[South Asia Minor]

In what way? It seems perfectly capable of administrating the country at a devolved level at the moment.

Yeah but only at a devolved level where it has the UK's money to back it up, like I said I'm all for Scottish Independence, just not now. You can have the best politicians in the world in the Scottish Parliament but if the way the parliament is run isn't as good as the UK's then they'll struggle. Me and my politics group discussed it at length, we even had a former SNP MSP come talk to us and he said that the parliament wasn't ready, the politicians were but not the parliament, it needed to be developed more so it could stand on it's own two feet.

You still haven't said how.

[SD_Film Artists]

In what way? It seems perfectly capable of administrating the country at a devolved level at the moment.

Yeah but only at a devolved level where it has the UK's money to back it up, like I said I'm all for Scottish Independence, just not now. You can have the best politicians in the world in the Scottish Parliament but if the way the parliament is run isn't as good as the UK's then they'll struggle. Me and my politics group discussed it at length, we even had a former SNP MSP come talk to us and he said that the parliament wasn't ready, the politicians were but not the parliament, it needed to be developed more so it could stand on it's own two feet.

I hope I'm not offending you, but you seem to be throwing fallacies right into the hands of the Scottish Nats to debunk. Are you Alyakia's puppet?

[Angleter]

In what way? It seems perfectly capable of administrating the country at a devolved level at the moment.

Yeah but only at a devolved level where it has the UK's money to back it up, like I said I'm all for Scottish Independence, just not now. You can have the best politicians in the world in the Scottish Parliament but if the way the parliament is run isn't as good as the UK's then they'll struggle. Me and my politics group discussed it at length, we even had a former SNP MSP come talk to us and he said that the parliament wasn't ready, the politicians were but not the parliament, it needed to be developed more so it could stand on it's own two feet.

This is an argument for devo-max before independence, not unionism.

[South Asia Minor]

Yeah but only at a devolved level where it has the UK's money to back it up, like I said I'm all for Scottish Independence, just not now. You can have the best politicians in the world in the Scottish Parliament but if the way the parliament is run isn't as good as the UK's then they'll struggle. Me and my politics group discussed it at length, we even had a former SNP MSP come talk to us and he said that the parliament wasn't ready, the politicians were but not the parliament, it needed to be developed more so it could stand on it's own two feet.

I hope I'm not offending you, but you seem to be throwing fallacies right into the hands of the Scottish Nats to debunk. Are you Alyakia's puppet?

Can't argue, therefore a nationalist infiltrator.

[SD_Film Artists]

I hope I'm not offending you, but you seem to be throwing fallacies right into the hands of the Scottish Nats to debunk. Are you Alyakia's puppet?

Can't argue, therefore a nationalist infiltrator.

'wouldn't put it past'em.

[Vecherd]

If the Scots want to be independent good for them, let them go if they don't, then don't let them go. I do not really care.

[Taboa]

I have, they need to develop their ministries, they need to organise what currency they'll go to (apparently it's the euro, obviously the scots don't watch the news ) they need to settle on a voting system that won't continue to favour the same party over and over. There's a lot of work in developing a nation, especially since their policies aren't as sustainable as with UK backing.

But go on then, become independent and then I'll count the seconds.

Cue Alyakia insult.

[South Asia Minor]

I have, they need to develop their ministries,

In. What. Way. What is wrong with ministires at the moment?

they need to organise what currency they'll go to (apparently it's the euro, obviously the scots don't watch the news :palm: )

That emoticon hurts my soul. Also, citation needed.

they need to settle on a voting system that won't continue to favour the same party over and over.

Evidently you fail voting systems forever. Look up proportional representation then get back to me.

There's a lot of work in developing a nation, especially since their policies aren't as sustainable as with UK backing.

>2012
>Making groundless assertions
ISHYGDDT.

But go on then, become independent and then I'll count the seconds.

Thank you for your blessing, almighty policy god.

Cue Alyakia insult.

Your mother.

[Alyakia]

Can't argue, therefore a nationalist infiltrator.

'wouldn't put it past'em.

yes i secretly made that account 2-3 years ago and put on an english flag so i could later register and have him be an easy unionist strawman to show up after there have already been 5 scottish independence threads i have been in specifically the one with 30 pages that pretty much died for a while

you got us

goddamn filthy nats

[Alyakia]

I have, they need to develop their ministries, they need to organise what currency they'll go to (apparently it's the euro, obviously the scots don't watch the news ) they need to settle on a voting system that won't continue to favour the same party over and over. There's a lot of work in developing a nation, especially since their policies aren't as sustainable as with UK backing.

But go on then, become independent and then I'll count the seconds.

Cue Alyakia insult.

Seriously. Taboa. Tell me about the latest Scottish parliament election. This is the third time.

I haven't insulted you. You almost seem like you want me to.

[Taboa]

I'm just gonna leave this, it's clearly not a mature debate. >.<

[Alyakia]

I'm just gonna leave this, it's clearly not a mature debate. >.<

Tell me about the latest Scottish parliament election.

[South Asia Minor]

I'm just gonna leave this, it's clearly not a mature debate. >.<

[The Matthew Islands]

I'm just gonna leave this, it's clearly not a mature debate. >.<

KNOW LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE GONE AND DONE!

Honestly! People can't even come onto the internet any more, post a load of nonsense and then fail to back it up to legit questions.

I am very disappoint. What would Diana say?

[Trixiestan]

I have, they need to develop their ministries, they need to organise what currency they'll go to (apparently it's the euro, obviously the scots don't watch the news ) they need to settle on a voting system that won't continue to favour the same party over and over. There's a lot of work in developing a nation, especially since their policies aren't as sustainable as with UK backing.

But go on then, become independent and then I'll count the seconds.

Cue Alyakia insult.

Seriously. Taboa. Tell me about the latest Scottish parliament election. This is the third time.

I haven't insulted you. You almost seem like you want me to.

unf unf insult me you dirty scottish nationalist with your saucy inexperienced parliaments

sit on my faaaaaace

KNOW LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE GONE AND DONE!

Honestly! People can't even come onto the internet any more, post a load of nonsense and then fail to back it up to legit questions.

I am very disappoint. What would Diana say?

If only Diana was here ;o;

[Canadian Davsland]

I am of Scottish decent and I would very much love to see Scotland as an independent nation, And I feel they will be very successful too.

[Uthopia]

I am of Scottish decent and I would very much love to see Scotland as an independent nation, And I feel they will be very successful too.

I agree with you I can almost wait when the so-called "UK" vanish.

[SD_Film Artists]

I am of Scottish decent and I would very much love to see Scotland as an independent nation, And I feel they will be very successful too.

I agree with you I can almost wait when the so-called "UK" vanish.

Why would it be "very successful"? And why is the UK "so-called"?

[Marcurix]

Seriously? I thought this was meant to be genuine debate, not where you try and insult someone who doesn't feel the same way as you do. The Scottish Parliament is inexperienced, it was made in 1998, the UK Parliament was made centuries ago, the Scottish Parliament is too inexperienced and undeveloped, maybe Scottish Independence in a century or so, but not now, it's not experienced enough. Although this will soon be shot down by Alyakia because if someone disagrees with him they're instantly wrong and should be insulted.

So hey Taboa, tell me about the latest Scottish parliament election.

I haven't insulted you, yet. Your argument is literally "they're young and therefore the must be inexperienced and crap". They seem to doing pretty well so far. Argurably better than the UK parliament.

Oh? How so?

[Trixiestan]

So hey Taboa, tell me about the latest Scottish parliament election.

I haven't insulted you, yet. Your argument is literally "they're young and therefore the must be inexperienced and crap". They seem to doing pretty well so far. Argurably better than the UK parliament.

Oh? How so?

Via not being shit.

WELL, not AS shit~

[New Densaner]

I am Scottish and the sooner we are independent the better. Here are four reasons -

1. Tories. If Scotland was independent we would no longer have to rely on England voting Labour. Scotland would never have to suffer under an unelected or unpopular Tory government ever again.

2. Oil. Around half the proven reserves of North Sea Oil have been brought ashore. We should as an independent nation explore having a sovereign wealth fund and invest in Scotland's future. Since the 1970's the UK government has not invested the oil money but rather wasted it on neo-liberal economic experiments such as Thatcherism and privatisation. For the record the vast majority of the oil reserves of the UK lie in waters that would be under the jurisdiction of an independent Scotland.

3. Currency. We could quite easily retain Sterling. All this talk about an independent Scotland being forced to join the EURO is unionist scaremongering. Not all EU members are in the EURO. Australia and New Zealand retained Sterling until the 1960's. That was 60 years after they ended their status as colonies.

4. Representation. At the moment Scottish Government ministers are sometimes allowed to join UK ministerial teams for talks at the EU etc. Sometimes they are not and Scotland's voice is not heard or her interests served. If Scotland was independent we could be full members of the UN, EU, Council of Europe etc. Scotland's voice would be heard at the top tables instead of being subsumed by a UK government that is led by a party with just one seat north of the border.

Scotland should forge it's own path in the world. We should separate from the English who are not our people and care little for us. Membership of the UK has done Scotland little favours in recent times. Whether it is illegal wars, neo-liberal economic policies or simply Margaret Thatcher. It is either Independence for Scotland or to be what Jim Sillars called "90 Minute Patriots"!

[Canadian Davsland]

I am Scottish and the sooner we are independent the better. Here are four reasons -

1. Tories. If Scotland was independent we would no longer have to rely on England voting Labour. Scotland would never have to suffer under an unelected or unpopular Tory government ever again.

2. Oil. Around half the proven reserves of North Sea Oil have been brought ashore. We should as an independent nation explore having a sovereign wealth fund and invest in Scotland's future. Since the 1970's the UK government has not invested the oil money but rather wasted it on neo-liberal economic experiments such as Thatcherism and privatisation. For the record the vast majority of the oil reserves of the UK lie in waters that would be under the jurisdiction of an independent Scotland.

3. Currency. We could quite easily retain Sterling. All this talk about an independent Scotland being forced to join the EURO is unionist scaremongering. Not all EU members are in the EURO. Australia and New Zealand retained Sterling until the 1960's. That was 60 years after they ended their status as colonies.

4. Representation. At the moment Scottish Government ministers are sometimes allowed to join UK ministerial teams for talks at the EU etc. Sometimes they are not and Scotland's voice is not heard or her interests served. If Scotland was independent we could be full members of the UN, EU, Council of Europe etc. Scotland's voice would be heard at the top tables instead of being subsumed by a UK government that is led by a party with just one seat north of the border.

Scotland should forge it's own path in the world. We should separate from the English who are not our people and care little for us. Membership of the UK has done Scotland little favours in recent times. Whether it is illegal wars, neo-liberal economic policies or simply Margaret Thatcher. It is either Independence for Scotland or to be what Jim Sillars called "90 Minute Patriots"!

I totally agree with you on all four points, the North Sea oil should help in Scotland's economy. And for too long Scotland ha been oppressed under British rule.