Ex-Gay Conversion Camps: Thoughts?

[Aazeronia]

We should be encouraging kids to become gay and discouraging heterosexuality. They've got it completely backwards.

I'd say don't encourage either way.

I'd agree with that.

[Aesthetica]

We should be encouraging kids to become gay and discouraging heterosexuality. They've got it completely backwards.

That is as repellent as trying to "cure" being gay, more so since you are only saying that as part of your one man campaign to ban all sex for everyone because YOU have a hangup about it, go away, get drunk, get stoned, try and get laid...

[The Germania Alliance]

Honestly? It's sickening.

[Ceannairceach]

Honestly? It's sickening.

Mind... Elaborating?

[Osthia]

These camps are just immoral. In my view, if God did not want gays, then they would not be here presently. This is obviously God's Will, to test others if they will truly love their relatives, friends, and neighbors for being who they are, as Jesus says, "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself."

[The Germania Alliance]

Honestly? It's sickening.

Mind... Elaborating?

Okay. Forcing one's beliefs on another because they have their own sexual preferences is sickening.

[Arumdaum]

I think they're stupid and terrible.

[Ceannairceach]

Mind... Elaborating?

Okay. Forcing one's beliefs on another because they have their own sexual preferences is sickening.

Ah, thank you.

[Episarta]

You know, in hindsight, maybe I should have added a poll. Could have seen the thoughts more accurately then. Since I assume some of the more conservative members on the site may be a bit hesitant to post their support for such camps seeing as how nearly everyone seems to find them to be horrible. They would get attacked with a wave of disagreement. Could have used it to possibly get a better batch of statistics.

Anyone think I should add one anyway?

[The Germania Alliance]

Okay. Forcing one's beliefs on another because they have their own sexual preferences is sickening.

Ah, thank you.

I don't understand how such camps are even legal.

EDIT: And yes.

[Aesthetica]

You know, in hindsight, maybe I should have added a poll. Could have seen the thoughts more accurately then. Since I assume some of the more conservative members on the site may be a bit hesitant to post their support for such camps seeing as how nearly everyone seems to find them to be horrible. They would get attacked with a wave of disagreement. Could have used it to possibly get a better batch of statistics.

Anyone think I should add one anyway?

Your thread, your call, I would suggest though that you tick the box to let people change their vote as people coming to a thread often vote on page one then change their minds later...

[Aazeronia]

These camps are just immoral. In my view, if God did not want gays, then they would not be here presently. This is obviously God's Will, to test others if they will truly love their relatives, friends, and neighbors for being who they are, as Jesus says, "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself."

That is an interesting theory.

[Grenartia]

These camps are just immoral. In my view, if God did not want gays, then they would not be here presently. This is obviously God's Will, to test others if they will truly love their relatives, friends, and neighbors for being who they are, as Jesus says, "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself."

If only there were more people like you.

[Saeran Sulsae]

These camps are just immoral. In my view, if God did not want gays, then they would not be here presently. This is obviously God's Will, to test others if they will truly love their relatives, friends, and neighbors for being who they are, as Jesus says, "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself."

Pretty much the same theory I subscribe to. Also, if my parents sent me to something like that when I was a kid, I'd probably just troll them the entire time.

"What about this girl?"

"No attraction"

"And this guy?"

"Oh yeah, he's what I want now"

"Okay you're cured"

"Okay, I'll be in the girl's locker room then. I have to... change outfits."

......

"Oh good, you're back. Why is your hair a mess like that...?"

"Oh I met this babe in there and just couldn't stop myself, you know sinful soul and all, sorry about that."

[Episarta]

You know, in hindsight, maybe I should have added a poll. Could have seen the thoughts more accurately then. Since I assume some of the more conservative members on the site may be a bit hesitant to post their support for such camps seeing as how nearly everyone seems to find them to be horrible. They would get attacked with a wave of disagreement. Could have used it to possibly get a better batch of statistics.

Anyone think I should add one anyway?

Your thread, your call, I would suggest though that you tick the box to let people change their vote as people coming to a thread often vote on page one then change their minds later...

Eh, I just remembered I am incredibly lazy. And there would be too many options for me to think up at the moment with my tired brain. Maybe some other time.

[Soheran]

Even the advocates of "ex-gay" therapy increasingly say that it doesn't actually change orientation so much as it changes behavior and lets people live manageably as celibate or as spouses in different-sex marriages.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Call it what you want but it is possible for someone to change their sexual orientation.

I think I'll stick to calling it what it is, thank you. If "brainwashing" seems too dirty a word for you, I could just call it "programming".

Now some people probably have had more success than others with some people having a complete orientation change (not only are they no longer homosexual but they only feel attraction to the opposite sex) while others have succeeded in suppressing their homosexual desires and have become asexual.

Your conclusion that people experience full-on orientation changes is carrying the qualifier "probably". This statement is not: the APA and WHO say that what you think is probably possible is not. Not at all. They've found that reparative therapy does nothing, zilch, nada to change peoples' orientations. They've already found the suppression you've observed, and they've observed the severe psychological damage it does.

From a religious perspective denying the self is extremely important for most major religions around the world if humans did whatever they felt like complete chaos would overtake the world and we'd be no better than the wild animals who frolic freely in the wilderness. An example of denying yourself would be a father/husband who has a maid cleaning the house he notices that she is very attractive far more attractive than his wife and she is showing obvious signs of attraction to him when they are alone but the man denies himself and refuses to give in to his desire to have sex with the woman as he knows if his wife finds out she will be deeply hurt and this can completely ruin his marriage she may even take their kids that he loves so much.

Except that homosexuality only "causes harm" and "must be suppressed" because it is socially unaccepted. You could make a case that irresponsible sexual habits such as not using condoms, sleeping with multiple partners, and so on are harmful, but you can't argue that homosexuality itself is harmful. Those things by themselves are not homosexuality. What is the inherent danger of homosexuality to society? Floor's yours on that one.

I'm not saying prison is wrong its important to separate individuals who are a danger to society from the rest of society, but I am pointing out that rape does happen in prison at much higher levels than in normal society and being raped can have an effect on someone psychologically.

I understand completely what you're saying. You're saying that prison rape, given enough time, will change a person's orientation to homosexual. I asked you for evidence, and you've failed to deliver anything except conjecture and maybes.

[Biop]

I remember reading something written by someone who was a Casulity of these shit holes, Gods for the life of me i wish i could remember that site

[Osthia]

These camps are just immoral. In my view, if God did not want gays, then they would not be here presently. This is obviously God's Will, to test others if they will truly love their relatives, friends, and neighbors for being who they are, as Jesus says, "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself."

That is an interesting theory.

Yeah, but some of my conservative friends think otherwise. I mean, they don't say gays wil burn in Hell like the WBC says, but they think gay sex is immoral. But still, I have been thinking of writing a letter to His Holiness the Pope, asking him to reconsider his most recent statements on gay marriage to the College of Cardinals. I mean, it might not do much, but maybe it is what His Holiness needs to remember that their are Catholics who have neighbors, family, or friends who are gay and who do not appreciate that kind of philosophy.

[Saeran Sulsae]

Yeah, but some of my conservative friends think otherwise. I mean, they don't say gays wil burn in Hell like the WBC says, but they think gay sex is immoral. But still, I have been thinking of writing a letter to His Holiness the Pope, asking him to reconsider his most recent statements on gay marriage to the College of Cardinals. I mean, it might not do much, but maybe it is what His Holiness needs to remember that their are Catholics who have neighbors, family, or friends who are gay and who do not appreciate that kind of philosophy.

Asking the pope to reconsider anything?

[Aazeronia]

That is an interesting theory.

Yeah, but some of my conservative friends think otherwise. I mean, they don't say gays wil burn in Hell like the WBC says, but they think gay sex is immoral. But still, I have been thinking of writing a letter to His Holiness the Pope, asking him to reconsider his most recent statements on gay marriage to the College of Cardinals. I mean, it might not do much, but maybe it is what His Holiness needs to remember that their are Catholics who have neighbors, family, or friends who are gay and who do not appreciate that kind of philosophy.

I have some friends who think that being gay is wrong but they don't judge me for it. And I do not think something is wrong just because the Pope says so. He is human just like anyone else.

[Zirconim]

Load of bullshit. I'd give a longer and more intricate opinion, but I don't think anyone really needs exlplaining on why these things are wrong.

[Galloism]

We should be encouraging kids to become gay and discouraging heterosexuality. They've got it completely backwards.

That is as repellent as trying to "cure" being gay, more so since you are only saying that as part of your one man campaign to ban all sex for everyone because YOU have a hangup about it, go away, get drunk, get stoned, try and get laid...

See, we're all supposed to be gay because... uh... penises are bad for women, or something.

I can't keep track.

[Osthia]

Yeah, but some of my conservative friends think otherwise. I mean, they don't say gays wil burn in Hell like the WBC says, but they think gay sex is immoral. But still, I have been thinking of writing a letter to His Holiness the Pope, asking him to reconsider his most recent statements on gay marriage to the College of Cardinals. I mean, it might not do much, but maybe it is what His Holiness needs to remember that their are Catholics who have neighbors, family, or friends who are gay and who do not appreciate that kind of philosophy.

Asking the pope to reconsider anything?

Of course. Its a long shot, but, as Aazeronia said, His Holiness is human, and he may realize that his dogma on gay marriage is a little too strict. But I digress. This topic is about ex-gay conversion camps, not the Pontiff's opinion on same-sex marriage.

[King Koopa I]

That's pretty fuckin dumb. Hell, even some of the most conservative Christians I've meet feel that it's not a sin to be gay, just to act on it. Worst thing I've seen since they tried forcing southpaws to wright with their right hand.