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Postby The Prussian Federation of German States » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:29 pm

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Is that a bad thing if you think about it I think a weaker federal government would be good for America.

Whether it would be or not, theocracy is not the answer. Ever.


All depends what religion the theocracy supports.
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:32 pm

Quick, name a democratic theocracy that did not crumble under it's own corruption like Rome did.

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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:33 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Whether it would be or not, theocracy is not the answer. Ever.


All depends what religion the theocracy supports.

No, it really doesn't. When imposed forcibly on an entire society, any organized religion has the propensity to be oppressive, violent, and dogmatic.
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:35 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:
All depends what religion the theocracy supports.

No, it really doesn't. When imposed forcibly on an entire society, any organized religion has the propensity to be oppressive, violent, and dogmatic.

"Has the propensity?"

More like "is guaranteed to be."
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:36 pm

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I'm assuming you don't understand why the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union were replaced, and why we're not on a gold standard.

Which is okay. It explains why you're willing to swallow Ron Paul's dishonesty (he's a smart, educated man, so I assume he's being dishonest rather than just clueless) on things that already failed in America.


Ron Paul is not a dishonest man he is a patriot that loves his country and wants to help it not mess it up like the current president. Like you said he is well educated (Unlike some of the other Republicans) so he know what the hell he is talking about.


Can't have it both ways.

Either he's dishonest, or he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Either he knows why the Constitution was designed to create a stronger central authority, or he doesn't. If he knows, and argues against stronger central authority, then he's dishonest (and un-American). If he doesn't know, he's honest but ignorant.

Either he knows why a gold standard seemed like too much of a liability after the panics of 1873 and 1893, etc... or he doesn't. If he knows, and still argues against a currency tied to gold, then he's dishonest (and un-American). If he doesn't know, he's honest but ignorant.

Either way, the only job he should ever have in the White House is cleaning.
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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:36 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:No, it really doesn't. When imposed forcibly on an entire society, any organized religion has the propensity to be oppressive, violent, and dogmatic.

"Has the propensity?"

More like "is guaranteed to be."

I was being generous.
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:36 pm

Death Metal wrote:Quick, name a democratic theocracy that did not crumble under it's own corruption like Rome did.

Go.

Quick, name an actually democratic theocracy as opposed to an oligarchic one.
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:37 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Quick, name a democratic theocracy that did not crumble under it's own corruption like Rome did.

Go.

Quick, name an actually democratic theocracy as opposed to an oligarchic one.


Exactly.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:38 pm

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New Conglomerate wrote:Your opinions are wrong, then.


Why? explain your reasoning


Well for one you could come up with an example of a successful oligarchy that's still around today.
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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:40 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Quick, name a democratic theocracy that did not crumble under it's own corruption like Rome did.

Go.

Quick, name an actually democratic theocracy as opposed to an oligarchic one.

Israel! I kid, I kid...
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:42 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
New Conglomerate wrote:Quick, name an actually democratic theocracy as opposed to an oligarchic one.

Israel! I kid, I kid...

Maybe if the Haredis get there way, but even then women would be unable to vote, leading to the whole thing not being democratic. That's the whole point.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:45 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Whether it would be or not, theocracy is not the answer. Ever.


All depends what religion the theocracy supports.

Not in the least. When a church has that much power, it's amazing how fast divine will becomes "Give the church leaders more riches and power".
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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:45 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:Israel! I kid, I kid...

Maybe if the Haredis get there way, but even then women would be unable to vote, leading to the whole thing not being democratic. That's the whole point.

Likud and Lieberman's far-right party (not the one from Connecticut) are bad enough. They argue Jordan is the Palestinian state, and that anyone who disagrees with any of Israel's policies is an anti-Semite. Read it in Netanyahu's book.

But I'm getting off topic here. Let's keep it to one far-right ultranationalist political party in this thread.

Wikkiwallana wrote:Not in the least. When a church has that much power, it's amazing how fast divine will becomes "Give the church leaders more riches and power".

Give the guy a little credit. After all...
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Postby The Prussian Federation of German States » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:52 pm

It does matter what Religion because for example a Muslim theoretic state would be bad for the people because well good honest Christians would never harm anyone in the slightest.
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:53 pm

I think the thing to take away from this, if nothing else, is that fascists and Ron Paul go together like peanut butter and chocolate.
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Postby Augustus Este » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:54 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:It does matter what Religion because for example a Muslim theoretic state would be bad for the people because well good honest Christians would never harm anyone in the slightest.



I can't tell if your serious, or satirical...

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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:54 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:It does matter what Religion because for example a Muslim theoretic state would be bad for the people because well good honest Christians would never harm anyone in the slightest.

Wow, you honestly wouldn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
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Postby The Prussian Federation of German States » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:55 pm

Augustus Este wrote:
The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:It does matter what Religion because for example a Muslim theoretic state would be bad for the people because well good honest Christians would never harm anyone in the slightest.



I can't tell if your serious, or satirical...

I am being serious because muslims are more violent then Christians
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Postby Augustus Este » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:55 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:
Augustus Este wrote:

I can't tell if your serious, or satirical...

I am being serious because muslims are more violent then Christians


Bullshit.

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Postby Death Metal » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:55 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:It does matter what Religion because for example a Muslim theoretic state would be bad for the people because well good honest Christians would never harm anyone in the slightest.


...Really?

Do you really think that?

Because either A) You're a troll, B) You're amazingly naive, or C) You never took world history in high school.
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I support Obama. And so would FA Hayek.

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Postby The Prussian Federation of German States » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:58 pm

Augustus Este wrote:
The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:I am being serious because muslims are more violent then Christians


Bullshit.

No not bullshit because the Christians wanted to save the world from evil and Muslims just blow up building and put a jihad on every thing.
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Postby The Prussian Federation of German States » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:59 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:It does matter what Religion because for example a Muslim theoretic state would be bad for the people because well good honest Christians would never harm anyone in the slightest.


...Really?

Do you really think that?

Because either A) You're a troll, B) You're amazingly naive, or C) You never took world historoy in high school.

yes I do think that way every one has there own opinion.
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:04 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:
Augustus Este wrote:
Bullshit.

No not bullshit because the Christians wanted to save the world from evil and Muslims just blow up building and put a jihad on every thing.

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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:04 pm

The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
...Really?

Do you really think that?

Because either A) You're a troll, B) You're amazingly naive, or C) You never took world historoy in high school.

yes I do think that way every one has there own opinion.

The troll alert just went off, and I'm getting high readings on the Poe meter. Move along.

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Postby The Prussian Federation of German States » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:06 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
The Prussian Federation of German States wrote:yes I do think that way every one has there own opinion.

The troll alert just went off, and I'm getting high readings on the Poe meter. Move along.

You heard me, thread, GET ON WITH IT!

Why the hell do you people keep on calling me a troll is that the new word for fascist or what?
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