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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:36 am

WASHINGTON (CNNMoney) - In a move that has angered Republicans, President Obama is expected on Wednesday to make a recess appointment of Richard Cordray to be the first director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, sidestepping the Senate confirmation process, a senior administration official tells CNN.

The president is expected to make the official announcement at a 1:15 p.m. ET speech in Ohio, where Cordray served as attorney general.

Last month, the Senate failed to muster enough votes to take up confirmation of Cordray to run the consumer bureau, with all but one Republican voting against the move. At the time, President Obama hinted that was considering such a recess appointment.

News of the impending recess appointment spurred a flurry of angry statements from GOP leaders who have been trying to block a recess appointment for more than seven months.

"President Obama, in an unprecedented move, has arrogantly circumvented the American people by 'recess' appointing Richard Cordray as director of the new CFPB," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a statement.

At stake are vast new powers the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau can't wield without a director. For example, the bureau can't regulate financial products from non-banks, including student loan providers, debt collectors, payday lenders and check cashers.

Without a chief, the bureau also can't regulate mortgage originators and servicers, which played a big role in the financial crisis by providing subprime mortgages to families who couldn't afford them.

The move has sharpened tension between the White House and Republicans, who have vowed since May to block confirmation of any director unless they get structural changes to the bureau, which was formed as part of the Wall Street reform law passed last year.

Republicans had been using a little-known procedure to keep the Senate in session - even as it wasn't really conducting any business - in order to stop the president from making recess appointments. Their basis for the move comes from a non-binding Department of Justice brief from 1993 that states Congress should be in recess for more than three days before the president makes an official recess appointment.

Until now, Obama has not tried to challenge the GOP's effort to block his recess appointments. However, legal experts have said they believed Obama had the authority to make such a recess appointment despite Congressional attempts to block him.

GOP leaders say they don't think Obama has the power to make a recess appointment, given their moves. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Cordray's appointment is on "uncertain legal territory," in a statement.

And House Speaker John Boehner went a step further stating he expects "courts will find the appointment to be illegitimate," in a statement.

Republicans say their objection to Cordray's nomination has nothing to do with the nominee.

Instead, they want three big changes to how the bureau is overseen. They want to replace the director with a board; make the bureau ask Congress for money each year; and gain more power to overrule the bureau.

–CNN's Adam Aigner-Treworgy contributed to this report.

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Fuck yeah. Obama has apparently stolen someone's spine and he looks ready to beat the Republicans over the head with it.

Alright, for those late in the thread, Obama has used his recess appointment power to nominate Richard Cordray for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau chief. The CFPB is designed to regulate banks, pay-day loans, mortgages, and generally every entity known for shitty business practices short of used car salesmen. He also appointed people to the National Labor Relations Board, thus ensuring further progress on making it easier for workers to organize.

There is some controversy surrounding this, mostly partisan nitpicking from the GOP. The Senate was using an old tactic devised by Democrats to avoid recess appointments, which is by calling a session of congress for about 60 seconds every three days or so. The White House argues that this does not constitute being in session.

What do you think of this developement?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:38 am

New Conglomerate wrote:
WASHINGTON (CNNMoney) - In a move that has angered Republicans, President Obama is expected on Wednesday to make a recess appointment of Richard Cordray to be the first director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, sidestepping the Senate confirmation process, a senior administration official tells CNN.

The president is expected to make the official announcement at a 1:15 p.m. ET speech in Ohio, where Cordray served as attorney general.

Last month, the Senate failed to muster enough votes to take up confirmation of Cordray to run the consumer bureau, with all but one Republican voting against the move. At the time, President Obama hinted that was considering such a recess appointment.

News of the impending recess appointment spurred a flurry of angry statements from GOP leaders who have been trying to block a recess appointment for more than seven months.

"President Obama, in an unprecedented move, has arrogantly circumvented the American people by 'recess' appointing Richard Cordray as director of the new CFPB," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a statement.

At stake are vast new powers the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau can't wield without a director. For example, the bureau can't regulate financial products from non-banks, including student loan providers, debt collectors, payday lenders and check cashers.

Without a chief, the bureau also can't regulate mortgage originators and servicers, which played a big role in the financial crisis by providing subprime mortgages to families who couldn't afford them.

The move has sharpened tension between the White House and Republicans, who have vowed since May to block confirmation of any director unless they get structural changes to the bureau, which was formed as part of the Wall Street reform law passed last year.

Republicans had been using a little-known procedure to keep the Senate in session - even as it wasn't really conducting any business - in order to stop the president from making recess appointments. Their basis for the move comes from a non-binding Department of Justice brief from 1993 that states Congress should be in recess for more than three days before the president makes an official recess appointment.

Until now, Obama has not tried to challenge the GOP's effort to block his recess appointments. However, legal experts have said they believed Obama had the authority to make such a recess appointment despite Congressional attempts to block him.

GOP leaders say they don't think Obama has the power to make a recess appointment, given their moves. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Cordray's appointment is on "uncertain legal territory," in a statement.

And House Speaker John Boehner went a step further stating he expects "courts will find the appointment to be illegitimate," in a statement.

Republicans say their objection to Cordray's nomination has nothing to do with the nominee.

Instead, they want three big changes to how the bureau is overseen. They want to replace the director with a board; make the bureau ask Congress for money each year; and gain more power to overrule the bureau.

–CNN's Adam Aigner-Treworgy contributed to this report.

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Fuck yeah. Obama has apparently stolen someone's spine and he looks ready to beat the Republicans over the head with it. More info to follow.

What do you think of this developement?

I think it's none too soon. I did smile at "Republicans say their objection to Cordray's nomination has nothing to do with the nominee. Instead, they want three big changes to how the bureau is overseen. They want to replace the director with a board; make the bureau ask Congress for money each year; and gain more power to overrule the bureau." Yeah. "We don't mind the board existing, as long as it can't actually do anything."
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:42 am

You know, I used to be anti-Obama.

Then the anti-Obama folks opened their mouths and I listened to what they had to say.

Now I'm pro-Obama.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:43 am

Bluth Corporation wrote:You know, I used to be anti-Obama.

Then the anti-Obama folks opened their mouths and I listened to what they had to say.

Now I'm pro-Obama.

You make my heart super happy!!

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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:49 am

It's a start. A small almost meaningless gesture. I hope he is able to retain that newly found backbone and use it for more important things.
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Postby Atlantian Empire » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:50 am

Bluth Corporation wrote:You know, I used to be anti-Obama.

Then the anti-Obama folks opened their mouths and I listened to what they had to say.

Now I'm pro-Obama.

The only reason the be pro or anti anything is based your own views, not the views of others. BTW, Anti-Obama people come from across the board.
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:53 am

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Bluth Corporation wrote:You know, I used to be anti-Obama.

Then the anti-Obama folks opened their mouths and I listened to what they had to say.

Now I'm pro-Obama.

The only reason the be pro or anti anything is based your own views, not the views of others. BTW, Anti-Obama people come from across the board.


Yes, and the views of the anti-Obama people are so full of hatred for everything this country was supposed to be about and for which the Revolution was fought that I realized there was no merit to them whatsoever.

Now I disagree with Obama on many issues, but I don't have a problem with him personally.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:16 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:Source

Fuck yeah. Obama has apparently stolen someone's spine and he looks ready to beat the Republicans over the head with it. More info to follow.

What do you think of this developement?


'Bout time. Given that the filibuster of Cordray's appointment is the first time that a nominee has been filibustered without it having anything to do about their own qualifications/past/skills/attitude, Obama was and is right to slap them down.

Basically:

O: "Alright folks, there's this here division without a Director. Under the law which sets it up, it needs a Director to do its job. Here's Rich Cordray - good guy."
GOP Senators: "Mr. President, we couldn't agree more that Cordray's a good guy. But we're filibustering him anyway."
O: "Why? You just said he's a good guy for the job!"
GOP Senators: "Becuase we don't want the division to exist at all. So we're going to filibuster anyone who you nominate until you rewrite the rules to emasculate the division."
O: "Fk that. He's the director anyway, since you lot went out of town for a couple of days."
GOP Senators: "WAAAAAAAH! Obama stole our dollies!"
Mainstream media: "How horrible can Obama get? Now he's stealing Republicans' dollies!"
O: *facepalm*
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Postby New Chalcedon » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:18 pm

Bluth Corporation wrote:You know, I used to be anti-Obama.

Then the anti-Obama folks opened their mouths and I listened to what they had to say.

Now I'm pro-Obama.


Basically, you don't much like him, but the attitude of the anti-Obama zealots has pissed you off?
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:19 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:You know, I used to be anti-Obama.

Then the anti-Obama folks opened their mouths and I listened to what they had to say.

Now I'm pro-Obama.


Basically, you don't much like him, but the attitude of the anti-Obama zealots has pissed you off?


That's the "short soundbite" version. The reality is much more nuanced.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:20 pm

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New Chalcedon wrote:
Basically, you don't much like him, but the attitude of the anti-Obama zealots has pissed you off?


That's the "short soundbite" version. The reality is much more nuanced.


Fair enough.

Also, shouldn't the title of this thread be: "Obama trolls Senate Republicans: Progressives delighted"?
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:26 pm

LOL@ "unprecedented". I'd suggest the one senator in that story to check out a copy of the US Constitution... recess appointments are quite precedented and, their boy "Dubya" made no less than 6 when he was in office.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:28 pm

How long until the Republicans repossess said courage from our dear POTUS?
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Postby Vilayet » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:30 pm

GOP leaders say they don't think Obama has the power to make a recess appointment, given their moves. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Cordray's appointment is on "uncertain legal territory," in a statement.

And House Speaker John Boehner went a step further stating he expects "courts will find the appointment to be illegitimate," in a statement.


What the fuck? Of course the appointment is legitimate, the Constitution says so. Hell, George Washington himself even utilized recess appointments.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:30 pm

Bluth Corporation wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:
Basically, you don't much like him, but the attitude of the anti-Obama zealots has pissed you off?


That's the "short soundbite" version. The reality is much more nuanced.


IOW, you're pro-Obama simply to piss them off.... I can respect that.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:32 pm

Vilayet wrote:
GOP leaders say they don't think Obama has the power to make a recess appointment, given their moves. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Cordray's appointment is on "uncertain legal territory," in a statement.

And House Speaker John Boehner went a step further stating he expects "courts will find the appointment to be illegitimate," in a statement.


What the fuck? Of course the appointment is legitimate, the Constitution says so. Hell, George Washington himself even utilized recess appointments.


And, if George did it, then the Republicans sure as hell would do it.

"No, no, we meant Obama can't do this kind of thing. We can. We're not Obama."
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:34 pm

Tekania wrote:LOL@ "unprecedented". I'd suggest the one senator in that story to check out a copy of the US Constitution... recess appointments are quite precedented and, their boy "Dubya" made no less than 6 when he was in office.
It's "unprecedented" because they thought that banging the gavel for 60 seconds every three days made it "not a recess."
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Postby Vilayet » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:35 pm

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Vilayet wrote:
What the fuck? Of course the appointment is legitimate, the Constitution says so. Hell, George Washington himself even utilized recess appointments.


And, if George did it, then the Republicans sure as hell would do it.

"No, no, we meant Obama can't do this kind of thing. We can. We're not Obama."


"You see, the Constitution only applies to citizens, and as we all know, Communazi Atheist Muslims like Obama can't possibly be citizens."
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Vilayet wrote:
GOP leaders say they don't think Obama has the power to make a recess appointment, given their moves. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Cordray's appointment is on "uncertain legal territory," in a statement.

And House Speaker John Boehner went a step further stating he expects "courts will find the appointment to be illegitimate," in a statement.


What the fuck? Of course the appointment is legitimate, the Constitution says so. Hell, George Washington himself even utilized recess appointments.


It's okay, there is little chance their voter-base knows what is in the constitution anyway and will just assume what they say is true. And that this is an unconstitutional move by the ebil democrats.
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:36 pm

Our top story today; Obama is an idiot who thinks that pissing off half the country will help him in the upcoming elections.

Yeah, I don't think that was a smart move. But he's Obama, what else can you expect from him?
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:38 pm

Tekania wrote:
Vilayet wrote:
What the fuck? Of course the appointment is legitimate, the Constitution says so. Hell, George Washington himself even utilized recess appointments.


It's okay, there is little chance their voter-base knows what is in the constitution anyway and will just assume what they say is true. And that this is an unconstitutional move by the ebil democrats.


What exactly is the difference between ebil democrats and us normal hippie bastard democrats?

Hippostania wrote:Our top story today; Obama is an idiot who thinks that pissing off half the country will help him in the upcoming elections


The only people you have something against this are his immediate political rivals. You know, the guys who want to keep him from doing anything?
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:38 pm

Hippostania wrote:Our top story today; Obama is an idiot who thinks that pissing off half the country will help him in the upcoming elections

Hah... Half of Americans...

The Republican Party doesn't even make up half of the electorate.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:39 pm

New Conglomerate wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Our top story today; Obama is an idiot who thinks that pissing off half the country will help him in the upcoming elections

Hah... Half of Americans...

The Republican Party doesn't even make up half of the electorate.


The independents ruin everything, don't they?
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:39 pm

Tekania wrote:
Vilayet wrote:
What the fuck? Of course the appointment is legitimate, the Constitution says so. Hell, George Washington himself even utilized recess appointments.


It's okay, there is little chance their voter-base knows what is in the constitution anyway and will just assume what they say is true. And that this is an unconstitutional move by the ebil democrats.

If we're lucky, the House will try to impeach him over this.
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Postby THE NEW NEWLY UNITED STATES » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:39 pm

finally a democrat in the USA stops being a pu**y and stands up to the republicans
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