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Postby Galloism » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:30 pm

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Galloism wrote:Except federal courts would be unable to enforce them, if Ron Paul had his way.

Only state courts could, and it's a long stretch to say they most assuredly would in every state.


and the international community. you know, the UN..

What are they going to do? Invade?

Have a police action?

No, the US military would repel foreign militaristic intervention, and foreign economic intervention would never be done, as it would hurt the country doing the intervention as much as it would hurt the US. In what PRACTICAL way could the UN intervene in the state matter?
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:30 pm

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Don't imply that he wants each state to be its own country.

the bold implies such.

I'll stop implying it when he stops pushing legislation that would move us rapidly in that direction. So, basically, when his current term ends.


just because he wants states to have more power dosn't mean that's where it would go, that's like me saying that Obama is turning the country socialist because he supports bigger government.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:32 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Regulating the free market has caused our economic problems.


No.

Yes.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:32 pm

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Death Metal wrote:
No.

Yes.


i really can't recall deregulation every hurting an economy but i can note many times where more regulation did harm.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:33 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:Lolwut?

Your boy campaigned a platform of "We will not continue to failed economic policies of the past 8 years" and then quadrupled them.

Talk about learning from mistakes.


My boy? You must be reffering to Obama. I don't like obama and he isn't my "boy". Id vote for Obama simply because he wouldn't tear the economy to threads. He would only hurt it. Lesser of two evils I suppose. I never wanted Obama but I certainly as hell don't want Paul

Paul would do better than Obama with the economy.
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Postby Milks Empire » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:33 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Death Metal wrote:No.

Yes.

That's some mighty fine lookin' pasta there. Can I see the sauce selection?

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:33 pm

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Wikkiwallana wrote:I'll stop implying it when he stops pushing legislation that would move us rapidly in that direction. So, basically, when his current term ends.


just because he wants states to have more power dosn't mean that's where it would go, that's like me saying that Obama is turning the country socialist because he supports bigger government.

Undefined "more power", no it doesn't mean that. The amount of power his sponsored legislation would give the states? It'd take about twenty minutes, and that's only if there was heavy traffic between the state leaders' homes and the capitals.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:34 pm

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and the international community. you know, the UN..

What are they going to do? Invade?

Have a police action?

No, the US military would repel foreign militaristic intervention, and foreign economic intervention would never be done, as it would hurt the country doing the intervention as much as it would hurt the US. In what PRACTICAL way could the UN intervene in the state matter?

More. It would hurt the economically intervening nation more than the US.
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:34 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yes.


i really can't recall deregulation every hurting an economy but i can note many times where more regulation did harm.


Depending on what you're regulating, I can go with or against this. There are obvious advantages to an unfettered market, but in the name of protection of human rights and general public safety some regulations are necessary. The key is to implement only those regulations which prove absolutely necessary. Even the Danes know that, and their government is HUGE!
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:35 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Galloism wrote:What are they going to do? Invade?

Have a police action?

No, the US military would repel foreign militaristic intervention, and foreign economic intervention would never be done, as it would hurt the country doing the intervention as much as it would hurt the US. In what PRACTICAL way could the UN intervene in the state matter?

More. It would hurt the economically intervening nation more than the US.


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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:35 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yes.


i really can't recall deregulation every hurting an economy but i can note many times where more regulation did harm.

Were you asleep during the recent wall street derivatives boondoggle?
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:36 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
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i really can't recall deregulation every hurting an economy but i can note many times where more regulation did harm.

Were you asleep during the recent wall street derivatives boondoggle?


that wasn't deregulation or more regulation, that was corporatism.
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:37 pm

He's still not really the best option in my opinion but I'd hands-down pick him over Obama. The latter is so political he's spineless.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:37 pm

Milks Empire wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Yes.

That's some mighty fine lookin' pasta there. Can I see the sauce selection?

The Federal Reserve artificially lowering interest rates was caused by deregulation? Fannie and Freddie buying mortgages was caused by deregulation? The mortgage interest rate deduction was caused by deregulation? The CRA was caused by deregulation?

You need to ask him for a source.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:38 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:Were you asleep during the recent wall street derivatives boondoggle?


that wasn't deregulation or more regulation, that was corporatism.

No, it was a game of 3-card monte that stock buyers were told was a savings account.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:38 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
i really can't recall deregulation every hurting an economy but i can note many times where more regulation did harm.


Depending on what you're regulating, I can go with or against this. There are obvious advantages to an unfettered market, but in the name of protection of human rights and general public safety some regulations are necessary. The key is to implement only those regulations which prove absolutely necessary. Even the Danes know that, and their government is HUGE!

They have a very flexible labor market. And other than the level of taxation, regulations are straight forward and easy to comply with. And are not costly. It's easy to do business there.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:39 pm

Arkinesia wrote:He's still not really the best option in my opinion but I'd hands-down pick him over Obama. The latter is so political he's spineless.

Who would you say is the best option?
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Postby Dempublicents1 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:39 pm

Augustus Este wrote:Ron Paul thinks states should be able to ban gay marriage.

He's against gay rights.


Forget marriage - they all think that. Ron Paul thinks states should be able to imprison people for engaging in consensual sex with a member of the same sex. Of all the other candidates running, I'm fairly certain only Santorum would publicly agree with that.

And, of course, he also supported Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
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Postby Argouthia » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:39 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
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My boy? You must be reffering to Obama. I don't like obama and he isn't my "boy". Id vote for Obama simply because he wouldn't tear the economy to threads. He would only hurt it. Lesser of two evils I suppose. I never wanted Obama but I certainly as hell don't want Paul

Paul would do better than Obama with the economy.


Really? Explain? Is it Pulls policies on the gold standard ir his abolishment of the Federal reserve. Both of which would be devastating. At least Obama isn't stupid enough to do either.

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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:40 pm

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Depending on what you're regulating, I can go with or against this. There are obvious advantages to an unfettered market, but in the name of protection of human rights and general public safety some regulations are necessary. The key is to implement only those regulations which prove absolutely necessary. Even the Danes know that, and their government is HUGE!

They have a very flexible labor market. And other than the level of taxation, regulations are straight forward and easy to comply with. And are not costly. It's easy to do business there.


Yup! That'd be what I'm talking about (big governments aren't inherently complicated ones)! How would you like to see something like that Stateside, Sibirsky?
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Postby The Aryan Nations » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:40 pm

Dempublicents1 wrote:
Augustus Este wrote:Ron Paul thinks states should be able to ban gay marriage.

He's against gay rights.


Forget marriage - they all think that. Ron Paul thinks states should be able to imprison people for engaging in consensual sex with a member of the same sex. Of all the other candidates running, I'm fairly certain only Santorum would publicly agree with that.

And, of course, he also supported Don't Ask, Don't Tell.



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Postby Death Metal » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:40 pm

The lack of regulations hurt the economy.

Banks and lenders used dirty tricks and legalese to put people into contracts that they could possibly pay, and to have it more expensive to get out of these deals.

The insurance companies can deny you coverage because you neglected to note that you had a cold last month.

Some states allow employers to fire people without a reason. Sometimes they don't even have to pay you for the week when they do so (personal experience).

Meanwhile the government passively allowed these practices for years by denying such things even happened.

Deregulation would make things worse.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:41 pm

Argouthia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Paul would do better than Obama with the economy.


Really? Explain? Is it Pulls policies on the gold standard ir his abolishment of the Federal reserve. Both of which would be devastating. At least Obama isn't stupid enough to do either.

Paul wouldn't do that either.

It would be many other things. Like removing certain regulation, lowering taxes, lowering spending...
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Postby Argouthia » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:42 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Argouthia wrote:
Really? Explain? Is it Pulls policies on the gold standard ir his abolishment of the Federal reserve. Both of which would be devastating. At least Obama isn't stupid enough to do either.

Paul wouldn't do that either.

It would be many other things. Like removing certain regulation, lowering taxes, lowering spending...


What kind of Paul lover are you? Paul wants both of those things. Haven't you read his beliefs and statements? Obviously not...

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Postby The Aryan Nations » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:43 pm

Death Metal wrote:The lack of regulations hurt the economy.

Banks and lenders used dirty tricks and legalese to put people into contracts that they could possibly pay, and to have it more expensive to get out of these deals.

The insurance companies can deny you coverage because you neglected to not that you had a cold last month.

Some states allow employers to fire people without a reason. Sometimes they don't even have to pay you for the week when they do so (personal experience).

Deregulation would make things worse.


>Making it easier for businesses to do business will make economy worse.
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