One Ron Paul Thread to Rule Them All, one thread to find him

[Death Metal]

Ron would have, with a smile.

he loudly complains about the military. regularly.

Because military is a government power, and he's the only one who is "honest" enough to have power, so sayeth Dear Leader Paul.

[Sibirsky]

How do you propose getting the debt under control without shrinking government?

Well, if you need to balance your P&L, and you can't shrink expenses... how do you do it?

Raise revenue.

Except that's a really bad idea in the current climate.

[The Aryan Nations]

Obama has done a lot of good things and he's done a lot of bad things. With the NDAA and the extension of the Patriot Act and not closing Guantanamo, I'm guessing at some point in the early days of his presidency one of the secret agencies we have in this country gave him a report that scared the living shit out of him. He killed that one guy for something he would have the right to do in America. He sold out on the US health care system. However he has killed off Osama which is a good thing and he ended the Iraq war which is also a good thing.

Obama is not a good president, but the republicans are worse. And the vomitous psycho-shit that Wrong Paul is spewing makes me feel that those that support him should be lobotomized... if they aren't already.

Regardless, unless Wrong Paul or Santorum gets the nomination, I'll be writing in Dennis Kucinich for president.

Obama pulled out of Iraq... on the bush timeline.

Ron Paul has been asking for the repeal of the patriot act and pull out of the war on terror for years now.

[Sibirsky]

Did he sign the NDAA? Nope. As I said before, Obama completely waved any entitlement he had to a second term when he signed that.

Ron would have, with a smile.

Because you said so?

[Galloism]

Oh good, there's never been an authoritarian ruler then.

After all, the power is divided by 196.

Hitler, Kim Il-Sung, Kim Jong-il, Stalin. authoritarians.

Paul? wants to take power from the fed and give it to the 50 states.

But there 196 countries that the power is divided between. Thus, they are not authoritarian, as the power is divided among 196 states.

Oh sure, some are authoritarian-like, but since the power is divided between them, it doesn't really count.

Amidoinitrite?

[Wikkiwallana]

Paul is one of the most authoritarian candidates running. He would simply move the authority, not do away with it. Meanwhile, he would expand the authority of state governments to include things currently denied to all levels of government.

Authoritarian implies power is held by one.
dividing power by 50.
paul isnt authoritarian.

He wants to let each state be an unassailable power unto itself. Just because he doesn't want the power personally doesn't mean that he isn't an authoritarian.

[The Aryan Nations]

Hitler, Kim Il-Sung, Kim Jong-il, Stalin. authoritarians.

Paul? wants to take power from the fed and give it to the 50 states.

But there 196 countries that the power is divided between. Thus, they are not authoritarian, as the power is divided among 196 states.

Oh sure, some are authoritarian-like, but since the power is divided between them, it doesn't really count.

Amidoinitrite?

ahh, i see your point.

however, America (which we are talking about) has 50 states. by moving the power from the federal government into 50 state governments, nobody has anything close to absolute power.

[Sibirsky]

so.. 2008-2010 never happened?

Some crashes is not the same as boom and bust, which expects regular crashes. Not to mention said crash was caused by deregulation, pushed through by people who want to go back to the days of boom and bust.

[Galloism]

Well, if you need to balance your P&L, and you can't shrink expenses... how do you do it?

Raise revenue.

Except that's a really bad idea in the current climate.

Gold star.



Debatable.

[North Calaveras]

Authoritarian implies power is held by one.
dividing power by 50.
paul isnt authoritarian.

He wants to let each state be an unassailable power unto itself. Just because he doesn't want the power personally doesn't mean that he isn't an authoritarian.

Don't imply that he wants each state to be its own country.

the bold implies such.

[Death Metal]

Ron would have, with a smile.

Because you said so?

The only way he could get any of his idiotic plans passed is if he had all dissenters arrested.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Well, if you need to balance your P&L, and you can't shrink expenses... how do you do it?

Raise revenue.

Except that's a really bad idea in the current climate.

This is an artifact of my having been unclear. I meant for targeted spending cuts and revenue increases to occur in conjunction now, followed by institution of agencies such as a national health system and free higher education later.

[Quelesh]

The poll question says that you have to choose between one or the other, and yet an "other" option is included anyway.

[The Aryan Nations]

Raise revenue.

Except that's a really bad idea in the current climate.

Gold star.



Debatable.

do i detect a raisin on the shiny brown bit? if so, throw that trash away!

[Galloism]

But there 196 countries that the power is divided between. Thus, they are not authoritarian, as the power is divided among 196 states.

Oh sure, some are authoritarian-like, but since the power is divided between them, it doesn't really count.

Amidoinitrite?

ahh, i see your point.

however, America (which we are talking about) has 50 states. by moving the power from the federal government into 50 state governments, nobody has anything close to absolute power.

By Ron Paul's system, they would. He would limit Federal courts so they would not be able to constitutionally check state actions.

Hence, if a state decided that banning homosexuality and punishing it by death was a good idea, and the state constitution didn't prohibit it, federal courts could not stop it. Only state courts could, based upon state constitutions.

It allows states the power to do things that are not allowed on ANY level of government now.

[Wikkiwallana]

Some crashes is not the same as boom and bust, which expects regular crashes. Not to mention said crash was caused by deregulation, pushed through by people who want to go back to the days of boom and bust.

So making it harder for businesses to do business makes it easier for them to turn a profit?

No it makes it harder for them to screw the little guy out of his share.

and you said that we haven't had a crash in decades; atleast, heavily implied it.

We're already doing better than boom and bust, and have been for decades.

No, I said we were dong better than the boom and bust cycle, which had a crash roughly once a decade. We've had far fewer than that.

[The Aryan Nations]

ahh, i see your point.

however, America (which we are talking about) has 50 states. by moving the power from the federal government into 50 state governments, nobody has anything close to absolute power.

By Ron Paul's system, they would. He would limit Federal courts so they would not be able to constitutionally check state actions.

Hence, if a state decided that banning homosexuality and punishing it by death was a good idea, and the state constitution didn't prohibit it, federal courts could not stop it. Only state courts could, based upon state constitutions.

It allows states the power to do things that are not allowed on ANY level of government now.

these funny little agreements on human rights that America signed would prevent this.

[Sibirsky]

This is gonna be my first election. I would like Ron Paul if he weren't so pro-free market, because his economic views would destroy America, and Obama's current foreign policy will bankrupt us and injure our foreign relations more than improving them. In America we need a lot more regulation in the free market, and we need to be less agressive when it comes to our foreign policy (get rid of at least 500 of our worldwide bases). We also need to lighten up on Iran and let go of some support for Israel.... if we don't, we will have another world war. When it comes down to everyone who's running, I'm leaning towards Obama. Why can't America have any decent people running for president?

Regulating the free market has caused our economic problems.

Decent people don't run in elections.

[Galloism]

By Ron Paul's system, they would. He would limit Federal courts so they would not be able to constitutionally check state actions.

Hence, if a state decided that banning homosexuality and punishing it by death was a good idea, and the state constitution didn't prohibit it, federal courts could not stop it. Only state courts could, based upon state constitutions.

It allows states the power to do things that are not allowed on ANY level of government now.

these funny little agreements on human rights that America signed would prevent this.

Except federal courts would be unable to enforce them, if Ron Paul had his way.

Only state courts could, and it's a long stretch to say they most assuredly would in every state.

[Death Metal]

Regulating the free market has caused our economic problems.

No.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Regulating the free market has caused our economic problems.

Decent people don't run in elections.

Rather, decent people run but don't stand a chance in our elections. As I said, the 2-party system is bullshit.

[The Aryan Nations]

these funny little agreements on human rights that America signed would prevent this.

Except federal courts would be unable to enforce them, if Ron Paul had his way.

Only state courts could, and it's a long stretch to say they most assuredly would in every state.

and the international community. you know, the UN..

[Wikkiwallana]

He wants to let each state be an unassailable power unto itself. Just because he doesn't want the power personally doesn't mean that he isn't an authoritarian.

Don't imply that he wants each state to be its own country.

the bold implies such.

I'll stop implying it when he stops pushing legislation that would move us rapidly in that direction. So, basically, when his current term ends.

[North Calaveras]

Regulating the free market has caused our economic problems.

Decent people don't run in elections.

Rather, decent people run but don't stand a chance in our elections. As I said, the 2-party system is bullshit.

i agree with you on this.

[New Tunasai]

At this rate you people sound like you'll elect Ron Paul. Then this country will he well on its way to a living hell. We will never learn from our mistakes. You'll end up abolishing the fed and when the economy sends us into a depression you'll blame someone else. We never learn. From the look of it we will arrive in hell only a few minutes before Satan returns from his trip to earth.

Lolwut?

Your boy campaigned a platform of "We will not continue to failed economic policies of the past 8 years" and then quadrupled them.

Talk about learning from mistakes.

My boy? You must be reffering to Obama. I don't like obama and he isn't my "boy". Id vote for Obama simply because he wouldn't tear the economy to threads. He would only hurt it. Lesser of two evils I suppose. I never wanted Obama but I certainly as hell don't want Paul