One Ron Paul Thread to Rule Them All, one thread to find him

[Wikkiwallana]

I'll post this part again, because you seemed to have missed it:

Uniting all muslims around the world would require a world ruling body, as there are Muslims in every part of the planet, and every country, barring a few micronations such as Sealand.

You also seem to have missed this part:


Finally, why should I care about the lives of innocents less because they are Saudi or Israeli instead of American?

Yes, exactly. They want to unite all muslims to get the US and israel out of the middle east and create a massive muslim nation. That has absolutely nothing to do with dominating the world and turning the US and the world into a giant islamic fascist state. Uniting the worlds muslims also has nothing to do with it. They'd be killing Saudis and israelis if we weren't in the middle east and stayed out of the worlds affairs.

The twists in logic you just went through to ignore what is right in front of your very eyes is astounding.

[Giovenith]

As I watching this:

Video: Say Chinese...
Me: What, no Russians?
Video: Or Russian!
Me: There we go.

"China" and "Russia" are two their many "boogie man words."

[Death Metal]

So, remember when Paul claimed if Santorum and Gingrich dropped out he could beat Romney?

Virginia which was only between Romney and Paul, Romney beats him by a double digit margin.

Too much of a margin as this is only going to encourage him now that he's ahead of Gingrich nationally...

Come on US NSers, get out there! One vote for Ron Paul is one too many!

[Ravineworld]

Yes, exactly. They want to unite all muslims to get the US and israel out of the middle east and create a massive muslim nation. That has absolutely nothing to do with dominating the world and turning the US and the world into a giant islamic fascist state. Uniting the worlds muslims also has nothing to do with it. They'd be killing Saudis and israelis if we weren't in the middle east and stayed out of the worlds affairs.

The twists in logic you just went through to ignore what is right in front of your very eyes is astounding.

So, by wanting the US out of the middle east and Israel off the map and wanting to do so by uniting the worlds muslims somehow now means that they want to establish a worldwide theocratic regime?

I put the evidence in front of you my friend, and you are ignoring it. They want nothing more than for the muslims of the world to unite against Israeli and US influence in the middle east while also pursuing the creation of an islamic state through much of the middle east. If we weren't in the middle east, they'd be killing saudi's and israeli's. Not US citizens. Suggesting that they want to establish a worldwide theocracy, even though they have stated quite clearly that they don't, is like something that you'd read on a info-war type site (except more neocon).

[Augarundus]

The revolution is pretty much done that this point... Libertarian Revolutionary Guard; flee for your lives. Burn the documents on the way out.

... just following orders...

[Ravineworld]

The revolution is pretty much done that this point... Libertarian Revolutionary Guard; flee for your lives. Burn the documents on the way out.

... just following orders...

What?
Are you threatening libertarians?

[Kaeshar]

The revolution is pretty much done that this point... Libertarian Revolutionary Guard; flee for your lives. Burn the documents on the way out.

... just following orders...

Pretty much, yea, Ron Paul hasn't won a single state, but we all know how stubborn he is and he has said that the reason why he is staying in is to mess with the proccess, grab a few delegates here and there.

[Dvardis]

The revolution is pretty much done that this point... Libertarian Revolutionary Guard; flee for your lives. Burn the documents on the way out.

... just following orders...

Pretty much, yea, Ron Paul hasn't won a single state, but we all know how stubborn he is and he has said that the reason why he is staying in is to mess with the proccess, grab a few delegates here and there.

Mostly Paul is trying to establish a "base" of sorts for his son or whoever to draw on in '16. Given how low turnout is, though (5.5% in Virginia...) any polling numbers are probably an overestimate of his actual support. So yeah.

[Terripin]

Pretty much, yea, Ron Paul hasn't won a single state, but we all know how stubborn he is and he has said that the reason why he is staying in is to mess with the proccess, grab a few delegates here and there.

Mostly Paul is trying to establish a "base" of sorts for his son or whoever to draw on in '16. Given how low turnout is, though (5.5% in Virginia...) any polling numbers are probably an overestimate of his actual support. So yeah.

Even though you hear him say he's "in it to win it" he actually is just doing this for his son AND take over the GOP replacing it with a more libertarian base.

Paul's overall okay, he's one of the best in this election. I mostly disagree about his states rights positions. If only he were more pro-choice.

[Tmutarakhan]

The revolution is pretty much done that this point... Libertarian Revolutionary Guard; flee for your lives. Burn the documents on the way out.

... just following orders...

Pretty much, yea, Ron Paul hasn't won a single state, but we all know how stubborn he is and he has said that the reason why he is staying in is to mess with the proccess, grab a few delegates here and there.

Maybe tonight he'll win Alaska! And as goes Alaska, so goes Guam!

[Kaeshar]

Pretty much, yea, Ron Paul hasn't won a single state, but we all know how stubborn he is and he has said that the reason why he is staying in is to mess with the proccess, grab a few delegates here and there.

Maybe tonight he'll win Alaska! And as goes Alaska, so goes Guam!

Guam has lots of military (its a base), so Paul could very well win Guam when we get to it. For Alaska, I doubt it, we'll just have to see.

[Revolutopia]

Pretty much, yea, Ron Paul hasn't won a single state, but we all know how stubborn he is and he has said that the reason why he is staying in is to mess with the proccess, grab a few delegates here and there.

Maybe tonight he'll win Alaska! And as goes Alaska, so goes Guam!

I completely forgot Alaska had a primary tonight, additionally while looking at on the AP map damn is Alaska humongous.

Just look at this comparison of Alaska to the lower 48
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Alaska_area_compared_to_conterminous_US.svg

Seriously, it would cover the entire Northern Eastern States.

[Quelesh]

And those three sources agree with me:

The principal stated aims of al-Qaeda are to drive Americans and American influence out of all Muslim nations, especially Saudi Arabia; destroy Israel; and topple pro-Western dictatorships around the Middle East. Bin Laden also said that he wishes to unite all Muslims and establish, by force if necessary, an Islamic nation adhering to the rule of the first Caliphs.

According to bin Laden's 1998 fatwa (religious decree), it is the duty of Muslims around the world to wage holy war on the U.S., American citizens, and Jews. Muslims who do not heed this call are declared apostates (people who have forsaken their faith).

Al-Qaeda's ideology, often referred to as "jihadism," is marked by a willingness to kill "apostate" —and Shiite—Muslims and an emphasis on jihad. Although "jihadism" is at odds with nearly all Islamic religious thought, it has its roots in the work of two modern Sunni Islamic thinkers: Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb.

Al-Wahhab was an 18th-century reformer who claimed that Islam had been corrupted a generation or so after the death of Mohammed. He denounced any theology or customs developed after that as non-Islamic, including more than 1,000 years of religious scholarship. He and his supporters took over what is now Saudi Arabia, where Wahhabism remains the dominant school of religious thought.

Sayyid Qutb, a radical Egyptian scholar of the mid-20th century, declared Western civilization the enemy of Islam, denounced leaders of Muslim nations for not following Islam closely enough, and taught that jihad should be undertaken not just to defend Islam, but to purify it.

Read more: Al-Qaeda — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/al-qaeda ... z1oNgifTFK

The next goal would be to expand into non-Arab Islamic countries. This would include the middle of Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia, the general said. The organization would operate from these areas and also from cyberspace. He said al Qaeda uses to Internet to transmit their hatred. "They aim to take advantage of open societies and will strike at those societies when they are ready at their time and place of choosing," he said.

The goal is unchanged: Drive out all Western and foreign influences in order to weaken the country economically, undermine the Saudi government and ultimately establish a radical, Islamic state that has more in common with the 14th century than the 21st.
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Let’s be clear on Al-Qaeda’s goals. First and foremost, it is not the liberation of Palestine. Osama bin Laden picked up the Palestinian cause as a marketing and recruiting ploy, not a genuine campaign. Instead, Al-Qaeda is intent on the overthrow of the Saudi regime. It seeks control over the holiest cities of Islam, Makkah and Madinah, the site of recent shoot-outs and self-immolations, the work of its adherents. Its motive is to replace the existing government and lifestyle with a regime that is reminiscent of the Taleban, and has nothing in common with the current reform programs of the Kingdom’s rulers.

Finally, it would harness Saudi oil resources as a strategic weapon in the war against the West. America’s sin was that we got in the way of this dream. We provided strategic protection and a stabilizing presence in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War, a war that Osama had lobbied to fight with his victorious Afghan Arab fighters. King Fahd refused, instead accepting an international coalition led by the US. So Osama and his Egyptian strategists turned on us. They handpicked a group of Saudi foot soldiers to carry out the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center with the aim of alienating two longstanding allies.

None of that text you quoted says that al-Qa'ida wants to establish a global Islamic government or that it wants non-Muslims in North America and Europe to be compelled to follow Islamic law.

Don't get me wrong; I disagree with al-Qai'da's goals and I very strongly disagree with their methods. I don't see any compelling evidence that they want to conquer the world, however.

[Ravineworld]

And those three sources agree with me:

None of that text you quoted says that al-Qa'ida wants to establish a global Islamic government or that it wants non-Muslims in North America and Europe to be compelled to follow Islamic law.

Don't get me wrong; I disagree with al-Qai'da's goals and I very strongly disagree with their methods. I don't see any compelling evidence that they want to conquer the world, however.

If he listens to you I am going to be pissed.
I've been trying to tell him this for a day.
Yeah, it's true, all they want is their homeland free from foreigners, contrary to what the media and the interventionists over at fox news and msnbc like to tell people.

[Miami Shores]

I think I like Ron Paul's economic libertarianism, but his strict non interventionist, isolationist foreign policy goes too far, that is why Ron Paul is not electable. He might still make a good Vice President for say Mitt Mittens Romney.

[The Horror Channel]

Mitty will pick Ronnie to be his bff and running mate, hoping that the kook vote will lift him to glory.

[Farnhamia]

Mitty will pick Ronnie to be his bff and running mate, hoping that the kook vote will lift him to glory.

You know, I would almost - almost, mind you - accept a Romney victory in November to see Ron Paul relegated to a position once described, by another Texan, as not worth a bucket of warm piss.

[Ravineworld]

Mitty will pick Ronnie to be his bff and running mate, hoping that the kook vote will lift him to glory.

Nah.
Old Ronnie is either going to go constitution party (non-interventionist buchananists), or funnel his support into Gary Johnson over in the libertarian party. If he funnels it into the constitution party, none of his younger support base will follow, but his hick base will, and if he goes to Gary Johnson, his younger base will follow, but his hick base won't.
The conspiracy theorists and white supremacists that like him will be pretty much split dead even.
But he won't stay with the republicans. He'll pull an '08 endorse a third party candidate.
Buddy Roemer over in americans elect could pull something off and get some help from Paul, but that's a long shot, and since he has no SUPERPAC, and his insistence on small donations should prevent him from gaining actual numbers.

[Miami Shores]

Lol, the idea is for Ron Paul to be close to President Romney and advice him on libertarian economic policies, not foreign policy.

[Ravineworld]

Lol, the idea is for Ron Paul to be close to President Romney and advice him on libertarian economic policies, not foreign policy.

No.
Ron Paul and Mittens agree on virtually nothing. Nothing.
Their economic policies are so different, they make Rothbard and Stalin look like they worked for a think tank together.
Ok, maybe not that different, but the differences are enormous.

[Wikkiwallana]

Lol, the idea is for Ron Paul to be close to President Romney and advice him on libertarian economic policies, not foreign policy.

At the beginning of this race, I wouldn't have wanted that, because I still thought Romney had appeal, but now I love the idea of a Mr. Windsock ticket with Old Loony riding shotgun.

[Death Metal]

One is a moderate working on the same failed economic policies of the Bush 43 administration.

The other is a Fascist radical working on the same failed economic policies of the Confederacy.

Watch the wacky hijinks ensue as two opposites do the unthinkable: Lose EVERY STATE to the Democrats!

It's a family friendly comedy for all ages!

[Wikkiwallana]

One is a moderate working on the same failed economic policies of the Bush 43 administration.

The other is a Fascist radical working on the same failed economic policies of the Confederacy.

Watch the wacky hijinks ensue as two opposites do the unthinkable: Lose EVERY STATE to the Democrats!

It's a family friendly comedy for all ages!

Eh, I think they'd get a single digit number of states. If we want them to lose every state, we should push for a Paul/Bachmann or Paul/Perry ticket.

[Farnhamia]

One is a moderate working on the same failed economic policies of the Bush 43 administration.

The other is a Fascist radical working on the same failed economic policies of the Confederacy.

Watch the wacky hijinks ensue as two opposites do the unthinkable: Lose EVERY STATE to the Democrats!

It's a family friendly comedy for all ages!

Eh, I think they'd get a single digit number of states. If we want them to lose every state, we should push for a Paul/Bachmann or Paul/Perry ticket.

The GOP losing every state would put Obama in very select company, indeed. Only George Washington (1789 & 1792) and James Monroe (1820) have carried every state. No one has ever gotten all electoral votes, though.

[Ravineworld]

One is a moderate working on the same failed economic policies of the Bush 43 administration.

The other is a Fascist radical working on the same failed economic policies of the Confederacy.

Watch the wacky hijinks ensue as two opposites do the unthinkable: Lose EVERY STATE to the Democrats!

It's a family friendly comedy for all ages!

I'd watch for a third party if I were you.
Americans elect and the libertarian party are both looking like they might be able to get into a debate.