Denying Global Warming

[Grave_n_idle]

Your definition of sense is rather odd.

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause...

Primary cause? Maybe, maybe not.

Definitely contributing, though. And that's something we can do something about.

[Grave_n_idle]

We know it's happening. Whether or not we are causing it is still up for debate, but we should regardless be trying to stop it.

Heck, I've heard the sun might be causing it.

Solar trends are actually moving in the opposite direction to global trends. Solar weather can affect us, for sure... but that's not what this is.

[Grave_n_idle]

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

Actually, there is evidence to support it. The start of the current warming trend coincided directly with the Industrial Revolution, when humans began burning fossil fuels in sizable quantities. Furthermore, I don't care what source you have for 2019 being cold, the temperature and weather of a single year has nothing to do with a climate shift.

I swear, these kind of arguments remind me of the morons who say "How 'bout that global warming, huh?" if it snows once in a year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-F8EO3qOVk

[Tongo]

Interesting thread!

We know it's happening. Whether or not we are causing it is still up for debate, but we should regardless be trying to stop it.

Heck, I've heard the sun might be causing it.

Solar trends are actually moving in the opposite direction to global trends. Solar weather can affect us, for sure... but that's not what this is.

Yes, here is a simple graph of wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg

[Grave_n_idle]

Interesting thread!

Solar trends are actually moving in the opposite direction to global trends. Solar weather can affect us, for sure... but that's not what this is.

Yes, here is a simple graph of wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg

Excellent graphic - shows that there was a trend well into the 1900's, and that temperature and solar weather then start moving in opposite directions... while temperature and carbon dioxide actually trend together.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Interesting thread!



Yes, here is a simple graph of wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg

Excellent graphic - shows that there was a trend well into the 1900's, and that temperature and solar weather then start moving in opposite directions... while temperature and carbon dioxide actually trend together.

You start to wonder if any of the people on the wrong side of this issue can read...

[Grave_n_idle]

Excellent graphic - shows that there was a trend well into the 1900's, and that temperature and solar weather then start moving in opposite directions... while temperature and carbon dioxide actually trend together.

You start to wonder if any of the people on the wrong side of this issue can read...

S'okay. Thanks to Tongo, we've got it in picture form.

*nods*

[World Liberal Alliance]

Global warming is much like a cycle which always occur for every thousands of years, and these kind of climate shift was caused by the change of earth's orbit, the change of earth's magnetic pole, and the intensity of radiation coming from the sun. The prove can be found in Antarctica. This dread icy continent was once a lush temperate continent until the earth changed its magnetic pole some thousands of years ago which was somehow related to the Ice Age.

It is possible that the earth's magnetic pole is slowly changing right now and causing the global warming.

[Grave_n_idle]

Global warming is much like a cycle which always occur for every thousands of years, and these kind of climate shift was caused by the change of earth's orbit, the change of earth's magnetic pole, and the intensity of radiation coming from the sun. The prove can be found in Antarctica. This dread icy continent was once a lush temperate continent until the earth changed its magnetic pole some thousands of years ago which was somehow related to the Ice Age.

It is possible that the earth's magnetic pole is slowly changing right now and causing the global warming.

Evidence of deciduous tree fossils without heavy frost rings suggests there MAY have been some above-zero temperatures during the Permian period, with potential that there might have been seasonal trees.

Which means there MAY have been some trees, and seasonal variation at the South Pole 300 million years ago - which is not even close to "... once a lush temperate continent until the earth changed its magnetic pole some thousands of years ago..."

[Salandriagado]

"Natural cycles" are accounted for in climate studies. They would be throw out if they weren't.

clearly many are "throw out" then. Its a long term thing,

When the short term trend is going to kill us, the long term trend becomes basically irrelevant.

[Farnhamia]

Global warming is much like a cycle which always occur for every thousands of years, and these kind of climate shift was caused by the change of earth's orbit, the change of earth's magnetic pole, and the intensity of radiation coming from the sun. The prove can be found in Antarctica. This dread icy continent was once a lush temperate continent until the earth changed its magnetic pole some thousands of years ago which was somehow related to the Ice Age.

It is possible that the earth's magnetic pole is slowly changing right now and causing the global warming.

No, changes in the magnetic field are not a cause of ice ages or climate change. Antarctica is frozen because plate tectonics put it at the bottom of the planet. In fact, the movement of the continents is one cause of Ice, because they block ocean currents and interrupt the flow of heat from the tropics to the higher northern and southern latitudes.

Anyway, yes, there are cycles. Humans, however, are pouring tons and tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and making what might be a natural cycle far worse than it should be.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Global warming is much like a cycle which always occur for every thousands of years, and these kind of climate shift was caused by the change of earth's orbit, the change of earth's magnetic pole, and the intensity of radiation coming from the sun. The prove can be found in Antarctica. This dread icy continent was once a lush temperate continent until the earth changed its magnetic pole some thousands of years ago which was somehow related to the Ice Age.

It is possible that the earth's magnetic pole is slowly changing right now and causing the global warming.

No, changes in the magnetic field are not a cause of ice ages or climate change. Antarctica is frozen because plate tectonics put it at the bottom of the planet. In fact, the movement of the continents is one cause of Ice, because they block ocean currents and interrupt the flow of heat from the tropics to the higher northern and southern latitudes.

Anyway, yes, there are cycles. Humans, however, are pouring tons and tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and making what might be a natural cycle far worse than it should be.

Eh, another reason is the relatively low volcanic and sunspot activity as of the last few epochs and the massive proliferation of plant life everywhere on earth sequestering a ton of carbon. Both poles being iced over is a fairly rare event in Earth's history.

[Free Soviets]

You start to wonder if any of the people on the wrong side of this issue can read...

i think the answer is yes, but they have difficulty with comprehension.

[Ichigoa]

its happening but the theory that humans are causing it is idiotic conspiracy.

[Salandriagado]

its happening but the theory that humans are causing it is idiotic conspiracy.

[Mavorpen]

its happening but the theory that humans are causing it is idiotic conspiracy.

Yes, because climate scientists always have these crazy conspiracies.

[Hittanryan]

its happening but the theory that humans are causing it is idiotic conspiracy.

[Farnhamia]

its happening but the theory that humans are causing it is idiotic conspiracy.

Yes, because climate scientists always have these crazy conspiracies.

Well, in their defense, it must be seriously embarrassing for climatologists to announce a huge scientific theory and to be proved wrong by people like Glenn Beck.

[Hittanryan]

Yes, because climate scientists always have these crazy conspiracies.

Well, in their defense, it must be seriously embarrassing for climatologists to announce a huge scientific theory and to be proved wrong by people like Glenn Beck.

For some reason I keep trying to picture Glenn Beck writing a scientific paper, but all his conclusions are based on the fact that he doesn't believe in evidence.

[Farnhamia]

Well, in their defense, it must be seriously embarrassing for climatologists to announce a huge scientific theory and to be proved wrong by people like Glenn Beck.

For some reason I keep trying to picture Glenn Beck writing a scientific paper, but all his conclusions are based on the fact that he doesn't believe in evidence.

He does have a blackboard, though ...

[Desperate Measures]

For some reason I keep trying to picture Glenn Beck writing a scientific paper, but all his conclusions are based on the fact that he doesn't believe in evidence.

He does have a blackboard, though ...

I just looked at that board for five full minutes and now all I want to do is listen to scratchy AM radio. I think I'll find the answers there...

[Johz]

Interesting thread!



Yes, here is a simple graph of wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg

Excellent graphic - shows that there was a trend well into the 1900's, and that temperature and solar weather then start moving in opposite directions... while temperature and carbon dioxide actually trend together.

200 or so years apart, and temperature change causes carbon dioxide change. Although for some reason this is another argument for human-affected climate change. I'm not sure why, but it sounded convincing.

[Free Soviets]

temperature change causes carbon dioxide change

yeah, that's part of one of the feedback mechanisms that makes relatively small amounts of change in energy from the sun (due to orbital variations) melt a vertical mile of ice sitting where i'm typing this now. however, this time the carbon is being changed by us, rather than as an add-on effect of independent processes.

[Aggicificicerous]

Well, in their defense, it must be seriously embarrassing for climatologists to announce a huge scientific theory and to be proved wrong by people like Glenn Beck.

For some reason I keep trying to picture Glenn Beck writing a scientific paper, but all his conclusions are based on the fact that he doesn't believe in evidence.

"The accumulated evidence for climate change has grown significantly since the mid-twentieth century. Careful analysis has shown, however, that these data are flawed in many aspects. The inaccuracies presented by climatologists and their ilk is here examined and discussed. Especial detail is given to the myth of carbon dioxide and other gases creating a "greenhouse effect", the inherent flaws in the scientific method leading to a broken and godless way of living, and how hippy-Obama-loving-atheist-socialists fabricated most of the empirical data for climate change in order to turn the United States into a breeding ground for communism and destroy the American Way. The scientific community is found to be full of evil, twisted lies with a hidden socialist agenda. Further links to the NAZI Party are also suggested, though these findings require further substantiation."

[Free Soviets]

For some reason I keep trying to picture Glenn Beck writing a scientific paper, but all his conclusions are based on the fact that he doesn't believe in evidence.

"The accumulated evidence for climate change has grown significantly since the mid-twentieth century. Careful analysis has shown, however, that these data are flawed in many aspects. The inaccuracies presented by climatologists and their ilk is here examined and discussed. Especial detail is given to the myth of carbon dioxide and other gases creating a "greenhouse effect", the inherent flaws in the scientific method leading to a broken and godless way of living, and how hippy-Obama-loving-atheist-socialists fabricated most of the empirical data for climate change in order to turn the United States into a breeding ground for communism and destroy the American Way. The scientific community is found to be full of evil, twisted lies with a hidden socialist agenda. Further links to the NAZI Party are also suggested, though these findings require further substantiation."

i dunno...is there any way you can work saul alinski into there somewhere? how about george soros' cat?