Denying Global Warming

[Nationale Einheit II]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

[Mallorea and Riva]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

Fox news and CATO... didn't feel the need to read any further than that.

[Hamelburg]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

I thought we'd already established that the politicians had overblown the whole situation...?

[Mavorpen]

yup, pretty much. I don't know the whole solution for solving the problem, but cutting education spending is probably not it....

Actually, you spend quite a lot on Education compared to other countries. It's not that you spend too little or too much, it's that your system is god-awful. Reform it, and maybe you cut some spending towards it while making it better. It's win-win. Your defense though, is just outrageous.

[Mavorpen]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

I saw Fox News and CATO, two right wing outlets, and facepalmed heavily. Not even going to read any of those.

[Hamelburg]

yup, pretty much. I don't know the whole solution for solving the problem, but cutting education spending is probably not it....

Actually, you spend quite a lot on Education compared to other countries. It's not that you spend too little or too much, it's that your system is god-awful. Reform it, and maybe you cut some spending towards it while making it better. It's win-win. Your defense though, is just outrageous.

That is true... There's probably a lot of areas that could use cuts to help the debt problem.

If you don't mind me asking, what country are you from..?

[Vazdania]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

FINALLY!!! someone who makes sense!!!

[Mavorpen]

Actually, you spend quite a lot on Education compared to other countries. It's not that you spend too little or too much, it's that your system is god-awful. Reform it, and maybe you cut some spending towards it while making it better. It's win-win. Your defense though, is just outrageous.

That is true... There's probably a lot of areas that could use cuts to help the debt problem.

If you don't mind me asking, what country are you from..?

I'm from America, but I've grown so annoyed with the U.S., I say "you guys" instead of "us".

[Farnhamia]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

FINALLY!!! someone who makes sense!!!

Your definition of sense is rather odd.

[Hamelburg]

That is true... There's probably a lot of areas that could use cuts to help the debt problem.

If you don't mind me asking, what country are you from..?

I'm from America, but I've grown so annoyed with the U.S., I say "you guys" instead of "us".

Ahh, I see! I can see why, too...

[Mavorpen]

Global Warning is the most ultimate myth derived from Liberals and their determined cronies.

1). http://nation.foxnews.com/global-warmin ... h-explodes

2). http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19468

3). http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406

4). http://www.cnas.org/naturalsecurity?gcl ... QAodoXPJOA

FINALLY!!! someone who makes sense!!!

One of his sources says that polar bears are thriving, and also says that Global Warming doesn't impact the poor... I hope you are joking.

[Vazdania]

FINALLY!!! someone who makes sense!!!

Your definition of sense is rather odd.

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

[Farnhamia]

Your definition of sense is rather odd.

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

Predicted by whom? You already posted a link to a site that shows the temperature going UP UP until 2038. Make up your mind.

[Mavorpen]

I'm from America, but I've grown so annoyed with the U.S., I say "you guys" instead of "us".

Ahh, I see! I can see why, too...

Indeed. By the way, I would like to recommend the book Cradle to Cradle by Michael Braungart. It's a nice outlook on how we can be more environmentally sustainable without hurting the economy.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Your definition of sense is rather odd.

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

Source? On all of that? From a peer reviewed journal please?

[Hamelburg]

Ahh, I see! I can see why, too...

Indeed. By the way, I would like to recommend the book Cradle to Cradle by Michael Braungart. It's a nice outlook on how we can be more environmentally sustainable without hurting the economy.

I'll look into that... thanks for the suggestion!

[Mavorpen]

Your definition of sense is rather odd.

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

"Natural cycles" are accounted for in climate studies. They would be throw out if they weren't.

[Vazdania]

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

Source? On all of that? From a peer reviewed journal please?

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

[Wikkiwallana]

do you accept the existence of the greenhouse effect?
do you accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?
do you accept the burning oil releases CO2
do you accept that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at a rate that is more than accounted for by human emissions?
etc.

causality is easy. we know that:
a) we've dug up fossil carbon
b) we've burned enough of it to account for all of the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and ocean
c) the increase in CO2 actually is the result of fossil carbon*
d) carbon dioxide is the primary driver of the greenhouse effect
e) changing the amount of energy held in the atmosphere by the greenhouse effect results in changing the planetary temperature
f) other drivers of climate are, on balance, on a cooling trend
and yet
g) the planet is warming by what you get if you calculated the effects of this much carbon increase.

not a single one of these points is disputable. there is a reason that all of the academies of science are on board. it's really that solid and obvious.


* this is probably the least obvious point, but it's really easy for us to know. carbon comes in a variety of isotopes. the isotropic composition of fossil fuels is measurably different from the composition of the atmosphere. as we have added fossil carbon into the atmosphere, we have measured a change that is precisely the change in isotope ratios that you would expect.

I might be willing to reexamine my views if you can get me good sources for all that info.

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[Vazdania]

Global warming is happening, but why? because of the natural cycles of Earth, there is no evidence to support that Humans are the primary cause, furthermore 2019 is projected to be COLD COLD

"Natural cycles" are accounted for in climate studies. They would be throw out if they weren't.

clearly many are "throw out" then. Its a long term thing,

[Wikkiwallana]

Curses you've found out my evil plan! Surely science will change simply because the free market demands it!

The politicization of science is a truly horrible thing.

It truly, truly is.

Was it you who posted that comparison of denialist behavior to a stubborn lunatic driving a car with a terrified passenger trying to convince them to turn back in the last global warming thread? I really think that post deserves repeating.

[Strykla]

We know it's happening. Whether or not we are causing it is still up for debate, but we should regardless be trying to stop it.

Heck, I've heard the sun might be causing it.

[Wikkiwallana]

Stop spouting the .9 F drop stat. It means nothing in this debate. NOTHING.
Global Warming is a longer process than that. Factors such as el nino and other naturally cycling effects similar to that cause small scale (Time-wise) changes. Two years is small scale.

A thousand years is small scale.

And in the last 50 or so we've seen a temperature change that would have taken a thousand or more to happen naturally.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Source? On all of that? From a peer reviewed journal please?

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

However, Mankind’s activities of the burning of fossil fuels, massive deforestations, the replacing of grassy surfaces with asphalt and concrete, the ‘Urban Heat Island Effect,’ are making conditions ‘worse’ and this will ultimately enhance the Earth’s warming process down the meteorological roadway in the next several decades.

Individuals may dissent, but this is reminiscent of the Tobacco Industry manufacturing doubt as to the dangers of cigarettes back in the 50's up to the present.

[Galloism]

We know it's happening. Whether or not we are causing it is still up for debate, but we should regardless be trying to stop it.

Heck, I've heard the sun might be causing it.

We will not tolerate such terrorism.

Let's go liberate the shit out of the sun and install a democratic government there.