British Republicanism

[Chinese Regions]

How is that a bad thing?

I never said any of it was a bad thing...

Yep, let's ban Christmas and music because it is "Sinful"
Cromwellian Republicanism sucks

[Aethelstania]

"We are in Buckingham Palace, the very heart of the British nation - Sherlock Holmes, put your trousers on."

[Alyakia]

This. Plus The United Republic of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland doesn't sound anywhere as magical as the United Kingdom.

I think this video sums it up quite nicely. http://youtu.be/bhyYgnhhKFw

Just call it Great Britain, Bosnia and Herzegovina don't have a real name, it is just called "Bosnia and Herzegovina"

but you kinda can't just call it great britain, you know, nothern ireland and all that jazz

[Conserative Morality]

How old is this tradition? Labour only became popular in the 20th century, Lib Dems are from 1988 and the whole devolution thing at current has retuned a comparitively ridiculously popular party. It's obviously broken but it's probably not going to be fixed by destroying everything and most likely replacing it with some American bullshit that drags it down to two-parties instead of two-and-a-third.

There are other democratic systems, you know. The American model isn't the only one.

[Alyakia]

How old is this tradition? Labour only became popular in the 20th century, Lib Dems are from 1988 and the whole devolution thing at current has retuned a comparitively ridiculously popular party. It's obviously broken but it's probably not going to be fixed by destroying everything and most likely replacing it with some American bullshit that drags it down to two-parties instead of two-and-a-third.

There are other democratic systems, you know. The American model isn't the only one.

thanks for ignorng my "what?" dog. you do that quite a lot with my posts. please don't. ):

And how likely do you think it is another system will be chosen? Who will be choosing it?

[Chinese Regions]

Just call it Great Britain, Bosnia and Herzegovina don't have a real name, it is just called "Bosnia and Herzegovina"

but you kinda can't just call it great britain, you know, nothern ireland and all that jazz

Well Bosnia and Herzegovina isn't "Bosnia, Herzegovina and Srpska"
hmm
Make Britain into a recursive acronym!
EDIT:
Britain's
Republican
Island, and
The
Awesome
Ireland,
Northern part

[Eviliatopia]

It's obviously broken but it's probably not going to be fixed by destroying everything and most likely replacing it with some American bullshit that drags it down to two-parties instead of two-and-a-third.

Well, not being a specialist of Great Britain, I don't know if Bipartisanship is inherent to the Monarchic tradition.

But having a bipartisan political spectrum can be a very nice thing: it tend to simplify the democratic process, and to kill the extremes.

To my mind, bipartisanship is quite the reason why the US and the UK never turned into Modern Dictatorships, along with a strong liberal constitutional tradition.

[Tagmatium]

I never said any of it was a bad thing...

Yep, let's ban Christmas and music because it is "Sinful"
Cromwellian Republicanism sucks

If you actually read the post, he said that, too.

Jesus, it's not too difficult, is it?

One of the knee-jerk defences by monarchists seems to be to equate every republican with Cromwell, who has been something of a bad name (and rightfully so) for about 300 years.

[Adaptus]

How old is this tradition? Labour only became popular in the 20th century, Lib Dems are from 1988 and the whole devolution thing at current has retuned a comparitively ridiculously popular party. It's obviously broken but it's probably not going to be fixed by destroying everything and most likely replacing it with some American bullshit that drags it down to two-parties instead of two-and-a-third.

That was just an example. If you look back in history parliament has been pretty much dominated by two or three major parties at one time.

Nothing will change though. The most I can hope for is that us in the North (East) actually manage to get a local parliament, rather then being attached to London all the time. But that's a different subject.

[Conserative Morality]

thanks for ignorng my "what?" dog. you do that quite a lot with my posts. please don't. ):

I thought it was cleared up in my response regarding the misconception.

My mistake. What were you asking 'what' about specifically?

And how likely do you think it is another system will be chosen? Who will be choosing it?

Don't know, isn't that for the British Republicans to figure out?

[Alyakia]

Yep, let's ban Christmas and music because it is "Sinful"
Cromwellian Republicanism sucks

If you actually read the post, he said that, too.

Jesus, it's not too difficult, is it?

One of the knee-jerk defences by monarchists seems to be to equate every republican with Cromwell, who has been something of a bad name (and rightfully so) for about 300 years.

not helped by the fact that one of the republican posters keeps satying WELL SAY THAT TO CROMWELL which pretty much invites it

[Alyakia]

It's obviously broken but it's probably not going to be fixed by destroying everything and most likely replacing it with some American bullshit that drags it down to two-parties instead of two-and-a-third.

Well, not being a specialist of Great Britain, I don't know if Bipartisanship is inherent to the Monarchic tradition.

But having a bipartisan political spectrum can be a very nice thing: it tend to simplify the democratic process, and to kill the extremes.

To my mind, bipartisanship is quite the reason why the US and the UK never turned into Modern Dictatorships, along with a strong liberal constitutional tradition.

it's funny because you're a french monarchist/randian and are effectively part of "the extremes"

My mistake. What were you asking 'what' about specifically?

the whole "how is that a bad thing" thing (thing)

Don't know, isn't that for the British Republicans to figure out?

ragh

Nothing will change though. The most I can hope for is that us in the North (East) actually manage to get a local parliament, rather then being attached to London all the time. But that's a different subject.

~~*high-five*~~

[Tagmatium]

Nothing will change though. The most I can hope for is that us in the North (East) actually manage to get a local parliament, rather then being attached to London all the time. But that's a different subject.

~~*high-five*~~

We're all conjoined to London and it fucking sucks.

[Conserative Morality]

the whole "how is that a bad thing" thing (thing)

I'm rather fond of secularism, am an anti-monarchist, kind of like separation of powers, not too keen on the House of Lords, and so on.

ragh

Ragh indeed.

[Alyakia]

~~*high-five*~~

We're all conjoined to London and it fucking sucks.

Well, I imagine it's a pretty good deal for London. (except when they need to subsidize the BENEFIT JUNIKIES!!!)

[Adaptus]

Well, I imagine it's a pretty good deal for London. (except when they need to subsidize the BENEFIT JUNIKIES!!!)

I don't think "Benefit Junikies" Would be such a problem for London, if they weren't paying for Scottish Higher Education and Health Care, as well as Welsh Higher Eduction.

Which is a reason I wouldn't mind seeing Scotland go independent, it would relive the tax burden on the English by a hefty weight.

[The UK in Exile]

If you actually read the post, he said that, too.

Jesus, it's not too difficult, is it?

One of the knee-jerk defences by monarchists seems to be to equate every republican with Cromwell, who has been something of a bad name (and rightfully so) for about 300 years.

not helped by the fact that one of the republican posters keeps satying WELL SAY THAT TO CROMWELL which pretty much invites it

it is a response to the claim that Britishness = Monarchy. Britsh culture = monarchy and the republicanism is un-british. such transparent falsehood deserves a similarly flippant response.

[Alyakia]

Well, I imagine it's a pretty good deal for London. (except when they need to subsidize the BENEFIT JUNIKIES!!!)

I don't think "Benefit Junikies" Would be such a problem for London, if they weren't paying for Scottish Higher Education and Health Care, as well as Welsh Higher Eduction.

Which is a reason I wouldn't mind seeing Scotland go independent, it would relive the tax burden on the English by a hefty weight.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... endin.html

So, you're from the North East, right?

i was hoping that when you saif you're stuck with london you'd know that stuff was bullshit ):

[Bokaya]

To be honest, I think the sorry state of affairs with three parties dominating politics in Britain is the fault of the current political "attitude". People tend to vote with their hearts, and not with their heads. The city I live in, Sunderland, has had a Labour MP since the party was formed, even though the unbroken succession of Labour councils has done nothing for our city but close the shipyards, mismanage our port, build insufficient housing, and blow millions on massive public projects with no value such as parks or stupid fucking plastic gym equipment for schools. This is because the people of Sunderland used to be industrial working class - one rung below bacteria on the intelligence ladder and one rung above Marx on the socialist one, and are easily brainwashed by the media into hating the "evil Tories".

When people don't vote with their heart, they vote in the wrong way. In the British political system, you vote for a candidate who you think will represent the interests of your constituency the best. Far too many people ignore their constituency candidates and vote for the party candidate whose leader they want to be Prime Minister. For example, see 2010's "Cleggmania", where the Liberal Democrats enjoyed a significant rise in popularity thanks to Clegg's performance on the televised debate. No matter that the Lib Dem constituency MPs are, from what friends and family I've talked to, shit - proposing fewer Private Member's Bills than the fucking Green Party and answering less letters than Ringo Starky. The people who voted Lib Dem based on Clegg got themselves into that mess, and you know what? They deserve it. If you can't vote properly because you're a lower form of life than the rest of us, you don't deserve adequate representation.

I proposed a modified form of First Past The Post, whereby all households with one or more registered voters receive a copy of the manifesto of each party fielding a candidate in the area, and the personal manifesto of each independent candidate. They should be labelled "manifesto 1", "manifesto 2", and so on, with no indication of which party or candidate it came from. Come polling day, you should go down to the station and put a cross next to not a name, but a number, of the manifesto you agreed with the most.

Once a Party's manifesto is proven to be the most popular in a given area, a candidate is selected by the Party from a closed regional list to represent the area.

Imagine that! People forced by the system to put policy before personality!

I reckon this would solve all the political problems in the UK today, and allow us to keep the Monarchy (just to keep things on-topic)! Apart from voter apathy of course, which the only cure for is sterilization so that the morons who don't vote can't pass their genes down. But that's a topic for another day.

Just in case you're interested, I have the solution for the devolution/independence issues, too!

In a word: genocide.

It would work! No need for Scottish independence if there's no Scots!

[Adaptus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... endin.html

So, you're from the North East, right?

i was hoping that when you saif you're stuck with london you'd know that stuff was bullshit ):

The reason public spending is high in the NE is because of the massive unemployment. Which is because of government neglect after Thatcher and co, completely destroyed industry here. Our bread and butter was taken away from us a long time ago. And since then, we've been for lack of a better word. Fucked. We can't help ourselves either, because we've been denied the ability to do that. We even built our own Parliament building in the centre of Newcastle, and London still said no.

[Aesthetica]

Is this still going on, a tiny minority of British traitors, plus a bunch of well intentioned foreigners bitterly arguing that we should throw away a system that has stood the test of time, keeping us free of dictators, divine right of autocrats etc., just so we can replace it with one of a selection of systems of questionable merit, or even worse, with a totally new and untested system, in the hope that it will all work out somehow...

We should replace an hereditary monarch who is used to being primarily decorative, in a genteel and tourist friendly way, with some brand of elected monarch, who by virtue of being elected is guaranteed to be a two faced lying hypocrite hell bent on accumulating more power, and who isn't genteel or tourist friendly at all.

That we should throw away a two chamber system that more or less works, in favour of some imported system thats proven not to work, and indeed seems to have been designed not to work.

These people whine that our system isn't 'democratic' enough while holding up alternatives that have too much democracy in the wrong place and too little in the right place.

These people whine that we have an official state church, headed by the monarch, and demand we should opt for a different system, that every single day clearly demonstrates that it takes more notice of religion in politics than our system, that we throw away a system that tends to keep religion out of our day to day politics.

There are problems with our system, but those problems are not based around the system itself, but the changing nature of the modern professional political animal, and simply replacing Lizzy with El Presidente, wont fix that, rather it will only make it worse.

It doesn't matter HOW MANY complex layers of votes, caucuses, primaries, electoral colleges, alternate votes, proportional votes or whatever, we have in your new republican paradise, if the politicians are still corrupt corporate puppets who would sell their own grannies to a glue factory for a 0.5% increase in their poll share, for a place in a system where there are so many competing layers of 'democracy' that the system stops functioning.

There are places on this fucked up planet where people expect, and indeed demand the right to elect their towns head cop, based off corporate funded campaigns, rather than just giving the job to a good policeman.

Places where the public prosecutors tilt the scales of justice to win campaign donations so they can afford to run for their office again, instead of having impartial professional public employees, who know something about criminal law.

These same places then calmly select their national leaders via a system thats less democratic than the method of choosing the town dog catcher.

You can have too much democracy.

You offer us an unspecified system, that most of us don't want, that offers no real benefits, and has substantial setup costs, and which will inevitably leave us in danger of having LESS freedom.

That's what your offering us, more cost, more danger, less freedom.

And you seem shocked and outraged when we say no.

[Eviliatopia]

it's funny because you're a french monarchist/randian and are effectively part of "the extremes"

Pardon?

I support Constitutional Monarchy, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, and liberal civil rights stances.

I'm a Monarchist because the French Republic was founded by extreme Statists who took a sadistic pleasure at committing crimes on their own people.
The French Republic is guilty of mass murder, war crimes, imperialism and authoritarianism from its foundation.
The CM was a model of freedom from 1789 and 1792. I respect that.

How am i an extremist?

I'm a centrist .

[Alpha and Delta Pact]

I'm British and I support the Monarchy. But is the Monarchy if abolished we will probably be left with a messy federal government and we will also hardly have any tourism which brings most of the money in.

[Alyakia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... endin.html

So, you're from the North East, right?

i was hoping that when you saif you're stuck with london you'd know that stuff was bullshit ):

The reason public spending is high in the NE is because of the massive unemployment. Which is because of government neglect after Thatcher and co, completely destroyed industry here. Our bread and butter was taken away from us a long time ago. And since then, we've been for lack of a better word. Fucked.

Yes. That is true. It is also true of Scotland.

Maybe the English can reduce their tax burden by letting the North East go, too?

We can't help ourselves either, because we've been denied the ability to do that. We even built our own Parliament building in the centre of Newcastle, and London still said no.

does this building have a wikipage or something

[Alyakia]

it's funny because you're a french monarchist/randian and are effectively part of "the extremes"

Pardon?

I support Constitutional Monarchy, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, and liberal civil rights stances.

I'm a Monarchist because the French Republic was founded by extreme Statists who took a sadistic pleasure at committing crimes on their own people. How am i an extremist?

I'm a centrist, not an extremist of any sort .

Do you seriously think that there is any chance under a bipartisan system that France will ever become a free market consitituional monarchy paradise?

If not extreme then very much a minority. And let's be honest, extreme party is just a codeword for minority party half the time.