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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:46 am

So now a pair of bills have appeared in New Hampshire to once again attack evolution. No prize for guessing the party responsible.


http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/new-hampshire-creationism-update-29-dec-11/
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Representative Jerry Bergevin has pre-filed HOUSE BILL 1148, the operative section of which adds this new paragraph to the duties of the State Board of Education:

Theory of Evolution. Require evolution to be taught in the public schools of this state as a theory, including the theorists’ political and ideological viewpoints and their position on the concept of atheism.


Representatives Gary Hopper and John Burt (who doesn’t yet have a page at the legislature’s website) have pre-filed HOUSE BILL 1457, which adds this new paragraph to the duties of the State Board of Education:

Scientific Inquiry. Require science teachers to instruct pupils that proper scientific inquire [sic] results from not committing to any one theory or hypothesis, no matter how firmly it appears to be established, and that scientific and technological innovations based on new evidence can challenge accepted scientific theories or modes.


In the Concord Monitor of Concord, New Hampshire we read Bills aim to roll back teaching evolution. The news is that the Monitor has some interesting quotes from the sponsors of those two idiotic bills. Here are some excerpts, with bold font added by us:

To state Rep. Jerry Bergevin, the horrors of the Columbine school shooting and the atrocities of Nazi Germany are linked by the theory of evolution, and that’s all the evidence he needs to see that New Hampshire’s children shouldn’t be taught that it’s correct.


Hopper points to the state constitution and its order that teachers support their students’ “morality and piety” for the justification of his bill.

Evolution as it’s currently taught tells students “life just happens. It’s just a byproduct of the universe and they are here by accident,” he [Hopper] said. “But more and more scientists are coming to the conclusion that it was not even remotely possible that it happened by accident. I want to introduce children to the idea that they have a purpose for being here.”

He would like to see intelligent design – the idea that a creator controlled how early life on Earth developed – taught in classrooms, but hasn’t been able to find an example of the philosophy being successfully legislated into schools.


Now back to the first genius, Bergevin:

“I want the full portrait of evolution and the people who came up with the ideas to be presented. It’s a worldview and it’s godless. Atheism has been tried in various societies, and they’ve been pretty criminal domestically and internationally. The Soviet Union, Cuba, the Nazis, China today: they don’t respect human rights,” he said.

“As a general court we should be concerned with criminal ideas like this and how we are teaching it. . . . Columbine, remember that? They were believers in evolution. That’s evidence right there,” he said.


Why can't these people just realize that this battle was lost before they were even born? Why must they try to ram their stupidity into the minds of young people?
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:09 am

But.. but it's only a theory..
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Postby Meowfoundland » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:14 am

There have been loud groups of opinionated fools for millennia before me, and there will be loud groups of opinionated fools long after I die. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly gain reason and shut the fuck up any time soon.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:18 am

How can they be so ignorant? A theory, when discussing science, can be stated as fact as far as anyone is concerned. A philosophical theory is the one that is simply an idea.
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Postby The Corparation » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:26 am

Red indos7 wrote:Feudalism didn't exactly have great respect for human rights either

See but back when we had Feudalism the Atheist Facists hadn't yet invented human rights for them to take away from us good god fearing christians.



Tlaceceyaya wrote:How can they be so ignorant? A theory, when discussing science, can be stated as fact as far as anyone is concerned. A philosophical theory is the one that is simply an idea.

They're politicians. IN the US there's a clause written into the US constitution in one of the amendments in invisible ink that lays out a maximum level of knoeldge of social and scientific issues as well as prohibiting them from possessing any basic reasoning skills. Put there during reconstruction to stop the southerners from undoing all that the North had a fought for.
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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:27 am

:palm:

Some people.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:42 am

What do they have to gain from all of this. Really. What does evolution have anything to do with religions anymore when religions accepts the theory?
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:42 am

Meowfoundland wrote:There have been loud groups of opinionated fools for millennia before me, and there will be loud groups of opinionated fools long after I die. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly gain reason and shut the fuck up any time soon.


Oh, I don't know.. We don't hear of these people over here in Britain and David Cameron says that we're a Christian country..

Childish, nationalistic point scoring aside, how do these people get elected?
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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:43 am

I like how they basically call Atheist communities criminals and don't respect human rights. :roll:

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Postby Milks Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:44 am

Can I emigrate from this backwards moron-filled shithole now, please?

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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:46 am

Milks Empire wrote:Can I emigrate from this backwards moron-filled shithole now, please?


No. You are to stay there until you've made a difference!
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Postby Norstal » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:46 am

Milks Empire wrote:Can I emigrate from this backwards moron-filled shithole now, please?

Stay and fight the good fight.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:49 am

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:Oh, I don't know.. We don't hear of these people over here in Britain and David Cameron says that we're a Christian country..

Childish, nationalistic point scoring aside, how do these people get elected?

A lot of biblical literalists in the population. =/
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:50 am

Are any of us surprised? Disappointed, yes, but... surprised?

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Meowfoundland wrote:There have been loud groups of opinionated fools for millennia before me, and there will be loud groups of opinionated fools long after I die. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly gain reason and shut the fuck up any time soon.


Oh, I don't know.. We don't hear of these people over here in Britain and David Cameron says that we're a Christian country..

Childish, nationalistic point scoring aside, how do these people get elected?


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Postby Norstal » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:50 am

Red indos7 wrote:
Norstal wrote:What do they have to gain from all of this.

publicity

Not even. The last time a creationist tried legal action, their whole lives got exposed, including the frauds and tax evasion along with other crimes. Publicity is something a creationist doesn't want.

Then again, a creationist wouldn't be too smart, sooo...you might be right. A desperate move to gather their constituents.
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Postby Camicon » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:52 am

What I don't understand is how dumbasses like this claim that the existence of God doesn't allow for evolution, when John Paul II consolidated the official stance of the Roman Catholic Church as one accepting of evolution.

There's something seriously wrong with a person when they don't know the basics about groups they are a part of.
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Postby New Sapienta » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:53 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:Are any of us surprised? Disappointed, yes, but... surprised?

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:
Oh, I don't know.. We don't hear of these people over here in Britain and David Cameron says that we're a Christian country..

Childish, nationalistic point scoring aside, how do these people get elected?


They're obviously wizards.

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They must be burned at the stake! Finally a way to use christianity against them!

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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:54 am

Nationstatelandsville wrote:Are any of us surprised? Disappointed, yes, but... surprised?

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:
Oh, I don't know.. We don't hear of these people over here in Britain and David Cameron says that we're a Christian country..

Childish, nationalistic point scoring aside, how do these people get elected?


They're obviously wizards.


Or perhaps God is on their side!


Or maybe Satan..
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Postby Norstal » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:54 am

Red indos7 wrote:
Norstal wrote:The last time a creationist tried legal action, their whole lives got exposed

he's trying legal action?

He is trying to add a new paragraph to the duties of the State Board of Education...that's asking for trouble.
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Postby Zynithia » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:55 am

Conservatives and their religion... tsk tsk

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Postby Aethrys » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:57 am

“I want the full portrait of evolution and the people who came up with the ideas to be presented. It’s a worldview and it’s godless. Atheism has been tried in various societies, and they’ve been pretty criminal domestically and internationally. The Soviet Union, Cuba, the Nazis, China today: they don’t respect human rights,” he said.

“As a general court we should be concerned with criminal ideas like this and how we are teaching it. . . . Columbine, remember that? They were believers in evolution. That’s evidence right there,” he said.


I'm sitting here shaking my head right now from these two quotes. Are the party who must not be named really this stupid, or is it devious intentional misinformation? I can't tell anymore...
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Postby Tulija » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:58 am

These peoples denouement of retardation wouldn't be a problem if they weren't enforcing it on children by fucking up education. Oh America you're so backward in some respects.
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Postby Arumdaum » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:02 am

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:Can I emigrate from this backwards moron-filled shithole now, please?


No. You are to stay there until you've made a difference!

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Postby Milks Empire » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:06 am

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:Can I emigrate from this backwards moron-filled shithole now, please?

No. You are to stay there until you've made a difference!

The creatures of barely sentient intelligence that put forth stupidity like this bill will never learn, and they're the majority here. The better bet is for all with any sense to leave and let the fools destroy themselves.

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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:16 am

Milks Empire wrote:
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:No. You are to stay there until you've made a difference!

The creatures of barely sentient intelligence that put forth stupidity like this bill will never learn, and they're the majority here. The better bet is for all with any sense to leave and let the fools destroy themselves.


Barely sentient? Well, that's a bit mean, isn't it? Surely it's sentiments like these, along with perceived or otherwise arrogant attitudes of intellectual superiority, that serve to harden the hearts of the faithful and drive them back to their dogma. If anything such statements are counter-productive. People just don't like being told they are stupid.
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