Did Aliens visit Ancient Civilizations?

[Northwest Slobovia]

Im reading from a book on the 100 mathmatic proofs and you could GOOGLE IT.

It's up to you to prove your argument. That includes providing the sources.

Oh, he's probably just badly confused about Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems.

[Doppio Giudici]

Brains are already massively energy-hungry organs. More than two arms and two legs and you have a brain that has more resources dedicated to motor control than ours, which assuming an approximate mass, means a brain less capable of speech and abstract thought. In order to have multiple limbs dedicated to manipulating objects to the degree we humans are capable and have the same neural complexity, I would think that such a creature would eat like crazy, and having to allocate resources to digestion/consumption would take resources away from brain development....

It is like how in Sci-Fi you have those races with redundant organs who are super hard to kill as a result. The extra organs would compete with brain development and reproduction. In short, I agree with Doppio Giudici. Because the alternative is that we encounter the sort of bizarre lifeforms that Stanislaw Lem writes about.[/quote]

I would have said just that , but I'm very tired and I'm on 3 other threads. So I just dumbed it down and hoped people would think about it.

[Free Soviets]

I was watching Ancient Aliens on the so called "History" channel today, and I'm wondering, do you believe that extraterrestrials visited and possibly even influenced the ancient civilizations of the Egyptians, Maya, Nazca, etc? Explain your reasoning.

Unlikely, if for no other reason than it seems unrealistic someone would make that much effort, and then bog off, never to be seen again.

maybe they just really like helping people stack up piles of big rocks.

[Doppio Giudici]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/brain-vat/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/brainvat/

THERE ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? Why do people have to be so darn lazy?

It's not laziness. It's basic debating skill and etiquette.

The second rule in debating is to not gang up on one person. The 65th rule is to never start a makeshift debate with a tired opponent.

[The Kangaroo Republic]

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Though seriously, there's absolutely no reason to think so. It could have happened, in much the same way that Aristotle could have secretly been a kangaroo.

But, Aristotle WAS a kangaroo.

[Northwest Slobovia]

It's up to you to prove your argument. That includes providing the sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/brain-vat/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/brainvat/

THERE ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? Why do people have to be so darn lazy?

And, um, what does the possibility that we're brains in a vat prove about the aliens visiting Earth? Is your reasoning something like "well, we can't rule out that we're brains in a vat, therefore we can't rule out aliens visiting Earth."? If so, that's a hell of a non sequitur.

[Astrolinium]

It's not laziness. It's basic debating skill and etiquette.

The second rule in debating is to not gang up on one person. The 65th rule is to never start a makeshift debate with a tired opponent.

I thought the second rule in debating was "Don't talk about debate club".

[The Blaatschapen]

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Though seriously, there's absolutely no reason to think so. It could have happened, in much the same way that Aristotle could have secretly been a kangaroo.

But, Aristotle WAS a kangaroo.

Nice to see you appear suddenly

[Pendragonia]

Brains are already massively energy-hungry organs. More than two arms and two legs and you have a brain that has more resources dedicated to motor control than ours, which assuming an approximate mass, means a brain less capable of speech and abstract thought. In order to have multiple limbs dedicated to manipulating objects to the degree we humans are capable and have the same neural complexity, I would think that such a creature would eat like crazy, and having to allocate resources to digestion/consumption would take resources away from brain development....

It is like how in Sci-Fi you have those races with redundant organs who are super hard to kill as a result. The extra organs would compete with brain development and reproduction. In short, I agree with Doppio Giudici. Because the alternative is that we encounter the sort of bizarre lifeforms that Stanislaw Lem writes about.

I would have said just that , but I'm very tired and I'm on 3 other threads. So I just dumbed it down and hoped people would think about it.[/quote]

I am rather biology-illiterate, but I understand the idea of any biological entity being at the most fundamental level an Input-Output & Stimulus-Response engine. Of course, just wait, there will be someone who will ask something along the lines of "why should a brain cost much resources? why should it have to compete with blah blah blah".

[Doppio Giudici]

The second rule in debating is to not gang up on one person. The 65th rule is to never start a makeshift debate with a tired opponent.

I thought the second rule in debating was "Don't talk about debate club".

This isnt fight club , this is a 50 pound rule book

[DesAnges]

It's not laziness. It's basic debating skill and etiquette.

The second rule in debating is to not gang up on one person. The 65th rule is to never start a makeshift debate with a tired opponent.

It's not ganging up, as you are holding up well enough to not start insulting us when we disagree with you. So Kudos.

And as for the 65th rule, a) its the internet, no-one knows you're tired and b) its not a makeshift debate, its a valid point of non-hypocrisy.

[Doppio Giudici]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/brain-vat/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/brainvat/

THERE ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? Why do people have to be so darn lazy?

And, um, what does the possibility that we're brains in a vat prove about the aliens visiting Earth? Is your reasoning something like "well, we can't rule out that we're brains in a vat, therefore we can't rule out aliens visiting Earth."? If so, that's a hell of a non sequitur.

I was debunking something and then you butted it

[The Kangaroo Republic]

But, Aristotle WAS a kangaroo.

Nice to see you appear suddenly

I just saw the word kangaroo, so I had to appear there.

Anyway, aliens visiting ancient civilisations, it's very very implausible, as in, it's as implausible as most other myths. Sure, it may be possible aliens randomly decided to visit earth, during the time of ancient civilisations, but then we might as well just claim it's very possible that bigfoot also exists because there's no evidence that entirely excludes the possibility.

[Doppio Giudici]

Brains are already massively energy-hungry organs. More than two arms and two legs and you have a brain that has more resources dedicated to motor control than ours, which assuming an approximate mass, means a brain less capable of speech and abstract thought. In order to have multiple limbs dedicated to manipulating objects to the degree we humans are capable and have the same neural complexity, I would think that such a creature would eat like crazy, and having to allocate resources to digestion/consumption would take resources away from brain development....

It is like how in Sci-Fi you have those races with redundant organs who are super hard to kill as a result. The extra organs would compete with brain development and reproduction. In short, I agree with Doppio Giudici. Because the alternative is that we encounter the sort of bizarre lifeforms that Stanislaw Lem writes about.

I would have said just that , but I'm very tired and I'm on 3 other threads. So I just dumbed it down and hoped people would think about it.

I am rather biology-illiterate, but I understand the idea of any biological entity being at the most fundamental level an Input-Output & Stimulus-Response engine. Of course, just wait, there will be someone who will ask something along the lines of "why should a brain cost much resources? why should it have to compete with blah blah blah".[/quote]


I know some people you should talk to. Have you heard of basic finite resource thery?

[Doppio Giudici]

The second rule in debating is to not gang up on one person. The 65th rule is to never start a makeshift debate with a tired opponent.

It's not ganging up, as you are holding up well enough to not start insulting us when we disagree with you. So Kudos.

And as for the 65th rule, a) its the internet, no-one knows you're tired and b) its not a makeshift debate, its a valid point of non-hypocrisy.

Someone said I needed to use debate skills , so I assumed that this was a debate and used its rules against him or her

[Pendragonia]

I would have said just that , but I'm very tired and I'm on 3 other threads. So I just dumbed it down and hoped people would think about it.

I am rather biology-illiterate, but I understand the idea of any biological entity being at the most fundamental level an Input-Output & Stimulus-Response engine. Of course, just wait, there will be someone who will ask something along the lines of "why should a brain cost much resources? why should it have to compete with blah blah blah".

I know some people you should talk to. Have you heard of basic finite resource thery?[/quote]

Got a link to it? I think that sounds familiar.

[DesAnges]

It's not ganging up, as you are holding up well enough to not start insulting us when we disagree with you. So Kudos.

And as for the 65th rule, a) its the internet, no-one knows you're tired and b) its not a makeshift debate, its a valid point of non-hypocrisy.

Someone said I needed to use debate skills , so I assumed that this was a debate and used its rules against him or her

Oh. Yeh that was me. See, debate...

[Doppio Giudici]

Got a link to it? I think that sounds familiar.[/quote]

No.....It's just what WE call it. If you can figure out what it means in 10 minutes , then you are on of US. Just look at the words and guess. Basic. Finite. Resource. Thery. What do you think each word means?

[Doppio Giudici]

Someone said I needed to use debate skills , so I assumed that this was a debate and used its rules against him or her

Oh. Yeh that was me. See, debate...

Anything else?

[Pendragonia]

Got a link to it? I think that sounds familiar.

No.....It's just what WE call it. If you can figure out what it means in 10 minutes , then you are on of US. Just look at the words and guess. Basic. Finite. Resource. Thery. What do you think each word means?[/quote]

Not at all related to this?

[DesAnges]

Oh. Yeh that was me. See, debate...

Anything else?

I'm all out of jokes (read smartassery) tbh, and since we are no longer debating the points at hand, I guess we can draw a line under our conversance. Good day to you sir *doffs hat*

[Parka1000]

I'm a believer in the theory, crazier things have happened.

I can't think of many. Mary Reeser's spontaneous human combustion, and the 1894 rain of Jellyfish in Bath are about it.

Justin Bieber became famous, thats the craziest thing I know

[Parka1000]

I already explained that to be sentient you need to have arms in order to make and use tools , arms require you to walk up right or you just have 4 legs. If it can't speak or use sign language then nothing would happen. A increase of gravity means a lack of sentiant life or thick , strong sentiant life. I think a lack of DNA is a bit radical and extremely unlikely

Why do you need arms? Or at least, appendages that are specifically defined? Why can't they have tentacles or all manner of things we can't imagine.

If you're asking people to think big on the subject of other life, ask yourself to think big on your ideas of the aesthetics and functions of life.[/quote]

You need fingers to pick things up , tentacles dont have fingers! Plus that takes up to much room in the brain to power and your idea's are a bit more radical then thought problem radical[/quote]
Tentacles have suction cups, much cooler then arms

[New Sapienta]

What if aliens are debating whether or not humans visited their ancient civlizations?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Maybe.