Did Aliens visit Ancient Civilizations?

[The Mechanan Race]

[Tab=]DesAnges Wrote[/Tab]

As is the Western World's ability to forget the atrocities committed by Stalin during the same time period because he was our ally.

Not the entire western world. Just a large majority. Those who have been educated of those events know the atrocities committed by Stalin on his own people took more lives than Hitler. It is probably unknown to most westerners (America especially) because......... well I'm not sure actually.

[Abthauzen]

I was watching Ancient Aliens on the so called "History" channel today, and I'm wondering, do you believe that extraterrestrials visited and possibly even influenced the ancient civilizations of the Egyptians, Maya, Nazca, etc? Explain your reasoning.

Don't tell me you watched Ancient Aliens.

Of course, aliens visited ancient civilizations, however it was just a rag-tag fleet of about 17 thousand people fleeing from a nuclear-robot holocaust.

[Ifreann]

There's a difference between having an open mind and having one so open that your brains fall out. Your post is exactly like those History Channel shows, full of "what if?"

Yes. "What if". Used because we don't know what is out there, and we'd like to imagine. That does not mean that they do not exist. We're certainly not the only intelligent being in the Milky Way, and you don't know how advanced those other ones get. They could have thousands of secret satellites with camouflage so badass that even our most advanced sensors can't spot us; and that could be their most outdated satellites. The point of the "what if" is to speculate things we do not know for certain. That is why I do not write, "What if Aliens exist."

I see no reason to think that this ancient astronauts nonsense is any more plausible than my just now concocted notion that Friendship is Magic is propaganda sent from the mystical and real land of Equestria in advance of a first contact mission.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea of extra terrestrials and the possibility that they have had a hand in human development, its like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a breakdown because of the threat of destroying their established and entrenched idea of reality.

Mhm... you're hardly a psychologist. Try again.

[Doppio Giudici]

However for sentiant life they need 2 eyes (any more or less and brainpower is missused) , 2 ears , a mouth , 2 arms , 2 legs , and walk upright. So any planet that can support life , most likely can support sentiant life. Most sentiant life will be humanoid and speak in some way.

I strongly suspect that all of this is bullshit, but do please elaborate. Why, exactly, must sentient life be as you describe? Why can it be no other way?

If we have more than 2 or less than two , then it takes to much brain power and over time it is weeded out as a genetic flaw.

[DesAnges]

As is the Western World's ability to forget the atrocities committed by Stalin during the same time period because he was our ally.

Not the entire western world. Just a large majority. Those who have been educated of those events know the atrocities committed by Stalin on his own people took more lives than Hitler. It is probably unknown to most westerners (America especially) because......... well I'm not sure actually.

By Western World I am talking in generalities. It would be much the same thing as saying Germany supported Hitler's ideals - obviously not all of Germany did, but a sufficient majority did so.

And I just lost the argument according to Godwin's Law. God damn.

[The Blaatschapen]

[Tab=]DesAnges Wrote[/Tab]

As is the Western World's ability to forget the atrocities committed by Stalin during the same time period because he was our ally.

Not the entire western world. Just a large majority. Those who have been educated of those events know the atrocities committed by Stalin on his own people took more lives than Hitler. It is probably unknown to most westerners (America especially) because......... well I'm not sure actually.

Well, for us other westerners (at least the European westerners) it is much easier to come into contact with descendants of the victims of Stalin. So that's maybe why we're a bit more knowledgeable about him.

[Nationstatelandsville]

[Tab=]DesAnges Wrote[/Tab]


Not the entire western world. Just a large majority. Those who have been educated of those events know the atrocities committed by Stalin on his own people took more lives than Hitler. It is probably unknown to most westerners (America especially) because......... well I'm not sure actually.

Well, for us other westerners (at least the European westerners) it is much easier to come into contact with descendants of the victims of Stalin. So that's maybe why we're a bit more knowledgeable about him.

I dunno, we were taught in Pennsylvania about Stalin. Well, not much about him really, just taught that he was a dictator and he committed mass genocide.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea of extra terrestrials and the possibility that they have had a hand in human development, its like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a breakdown because of the threat of destroying their established and entrenched idea of reality.

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea that there's absolutely no evidence for any number of hare-brained ideas. It's like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a clue.

[The Blaatschapen]

2 options. We live in this tiny system and breed till we fill it up and then kill ourselves , or there is a way to get from one planet to another in about 10 years or less. The second option sounds less depressing so I'm going to believe it and if you want you can pick one. If a planet can support life , then it has water, a good tempature , a stable ozone layer and a lot of nitrogen (which is very common) and some carbon dioxide. If it has those things it can support life and after a few billion years sentiant life.

We only need oxygen to undergo Cellular respiration , which could simpley use a gas that can pick up carbon. They might breath some other gas or not eat gluscose at all. However for sentiant life they need 2 eyes (any more or less and brainpower is missused) , 2 ears , a mouth , 2 arms , 2 legs , and walk upright. So any planet that can support life , most likely can support sentiant life. Most sentiant life will be humanoid and speak in some way.

Quite a lot of assumptions there. Why would sentient life be humanoid? Why would it speak or walk upright? Especially walking upright is not a given imo if the gravity on their planet of origin is higher. Walking upright in such a case would simply cost too much energy. Also, indeed their energy intake might be wholly different (no use of NADP+ etc.). Hell, they might not even have DNA but use something different.

[Farnhamia]

There's a difference between having an open mind and having one so open that your brains fall out. Your post is exactly like those History Channel shows, full of "what if?"

Yes. "What if". Used because we don't know what is out there, and we'd like to imagine. That does not mean that they do not exist. We're certainly not the only intelligent being in the Milky Way, and you don't know how advanced those other ones get. They could have thousands of secret satellites with camouflage so badass that even our most advanced sensors can't spot us; and that could be their most outdated satellites. The point of the "what if" is to speculate things we do not know for certain. That is why I do not write, "What if Aliens exist."

I never said there is no extraterrestrial life. I think there surely must be, but this thread is about whether they have visited this planet and contacted ancient civilizations. I see no evidence of that. Saying "what if" the way you did is empty speculation. What if the aliens had three noses? It's a pointless discussion because there is nothing to talk about, no evidence.

[Doppio Giudici]

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea of extra terrestrials and the possibility that they have had a hand in human development, its like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a breakdown because of the threat of destroying their established and entrenched idea of reality.

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea that there's absolutely no evidence for any number of hare-brained ideas. It's like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a clue.

If I remember correctly all our ways of gathering proof are flawed. We could just be brains in a vat or any number of different possibities

[DesAnges]

Well, for us other westerners (at least the European westerners) it is much easier to come into contact with descendants of the victims of Stalin. So that's maybe why we're a bit more knowledgeable about him.

I dunno, we were taught in Pennsylvania about Stalin. Well, not much about him really, just taught that he was a dictator and he committed mass genocide.

If you haven't already, I would suggest you read Animal Farm and 1984. They give a better general idea of what Stalin got up to.

If you want to read up in more detail, the material is out there,

[Xanixi]

Yes. "What if". Used because we don't know what is out there, and we'd like to imagine. That does not mean that they do not exist. We're certainly not the only intelligent being in the Milky Way, and you don't know how advanced those other ones get. They could have thousands of secret satellites with camouflage so badass that even our most advanced sensors can't spot us; and that could be their most outdated satellites. The point of the "what if" is to speculate things we do not know for certain. That is why I do not write, "What if Aliens exist."

I see no reason to think that this ancient astronauts nonsense is any more plausible than my just now concocted notion that Friendship is Magic is propaganda sent from the mystical and real land of Equestria in advance of a first contact mission.

Correct; there is no evidence to truly believe that aliens did, have, or will contact Humanity. But there is no standing evidence that God ever did. I don't call religion nonsense, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call the possibility of other species having an influence on Humanity nonsense.

[DesAnges]

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea that there's absolutely no evidence for any number of hare-brained ideas. It's like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a clue.

If I remember correctly all our ways of gathering proof are flawed. We could just be brains in a vat or any number of different possibities

I'm fairly certain if that was the case then Keanu Reeves would be leading a resistance right about now.

[Farnhamia]

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea that there's absolutely no evidence for any number of hare-brained ideas. It's like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a clue.

If I remember correctly all our ways of gathering proof are flawed. We could just be brains in a vat or any number of different possibities

Seriously? Someone asks for evidence and your answer is, The Matrix?

[Nationstatelandsville]

I see no reason to think that this ancient astronauts nonsense is any more plausible than my just now concocted notion that Friendship is Magic is propaganda sent from the mystical and real land of Equestria in advance of a first contact mission.

Correct; there is no evidence to truly believe that aliens did, have, or will contact Humanity. But there is no standing evidence that God ever did. I don't call religion nonsense, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call the possibility of other species having an influence on Humanity nonsense.

Difference: Religion makes sense, in a way. It is logical to aspire to better yourself, as it is logical to assume that there are higher beings that created us.

It is illogical, however, to assume that these beings came here in UFO's because you assume some long dead Africans couldn't put rocks on top of rocks.

[Astrolinium]

I see no reason to think that this ancient astronauts nonsense is any more plausible than my just now concocted notion that Friendship is Magic is propaganda sent from the mystical and real land of Equestria in advance of a first contact mission.

Correct; there is no evidence to truly believe that aliens did, have, or will contact Humanity. But there is no standing evidence that God ever did. I don't call religion nonsense, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call the possibility of other species having an influence on Humanity nonsense.

Religion is nonsense too, but we've already debated that to death on NSG.

[The Blaatschapen]

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea that there's absolutely no evidence for any number of hare-brained ideas. It's like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a clue.

If I remember correctly all our ways of gathering proof are flawed. We could just be brains in a vat or any number of different possibities

Cogito ergo sum rings a bell?

Also, what about proof by induction and other mathematical proofs?

[Doppio Giudici]

2 options. We live in this tiny system and breed till we fill it up and then kill ourselves , or there is a way to get from one planet to another in about 10 years or less. The second option sounds less depressing so I'm going to believe it and if you want you can pick one. If a planet can support life , then it has water, a good tempature , a stable ozone layer and a lot of nitrogen (which is very common) and some carbon dioxide. If it has those things it can support life and after a few billion years sentiant life.

We only need oxygen to undergo Cellular respiration , which could simpley use a gas that can pick up carbon. They might breath some other gas or not eat gluscose at all. However for sentiant life they need 2 eyes (any more or less and brainpower is missused) , 2 ears , a mouth , 2 arms , 2 legs , and walk upright. So any planet that can support life , most likely can support sentiant life. Most sentiant life will be humanoid and speak in some way.

Quite a lot of assumptions there. Why would sentient life be humanoid? Why would it speak or walk upright? Especially walking upright is not a given imo if the gravity on their planet of origin is higher. Walking upright in such a case would simply cost too much energy. Also, indeed their energy intake might be wholly different (no use of NADP+ etc.). Hell, they might not even have DNA but use something different.

I already explained that to be sentient you need to have arms in order to make and use tools , arms require you to walk up right or you just have 4 legs. If it can't speak or use sign language then nothing would happen. A increase of gravity means a lack of sentiant life or thick , strong sentiant life. I think a lack of DNA is a bit radical and extremely unlikely

[Farnhamia]

I see no reason to think that this ancient astronauts nonsense is any more plausible than my just now concocted notion that Friendship is Magic is propaganda sent from the mystical and real land of Equestria in advance of a first contact mission.

Correct; there is no evidence to truly believe that aliens did, have, or will contact Humanity. But there is no standing evidence that God ever did. I don't call religion nonsense, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call the possibility of other species having an influence on Humanity nonsense.

I'll stop saying nonsense when you provide some real evidence that they did. Until then, sorry, I can't help you.

[DesAnges]

If I remember correctly all our ways of gathering proof are flawed. We could just be brains in a vat or any number of different possibities

Cogito ergo sum rings a bell?

Also, what about proof by induction and other mathematical proofs?

I hate proof by induction. Absolutely despise it. Damn you Further Pure 1.

[Terramaria]

[EnragedMaldivians]

I see no reason to think that this ancient astronauts nonsense is any more plausible than my just now concocted notion that Friendship is Magic is propaganda sent from the mystical and real land of Equestria in advance of a first contact mission.

Correct; there is no evidence to truly believe that aliens did, have, or will contact Humanity. But there is no standing evidence that God ever did. I don't call religion nonsense, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call the possibility of other species having an influence on Humanity nonsense.

What you appreciate is irrelevant to the fact that it's nonesense.

[DesAnges]

Quite a lot of assumptions there. Why would sentient life be humanoid? Why would it speak or walk upright? Especially walking upright is not a given imo if the gravity on their planet of origin is higher. Walking upright in such a case would simply cost too much energy. Also, indeed their energy intake might be wholly different (no use of NADP+ etc.). Hell, they might not even have DNA but use something different.

I already explained that to be sentient you need to have arms in order to make and use tools , arms require you to walk up right or you just have 4 legs. If it can't speak or use sign language then nothing would happen. A increase of gravity means a lack of sentiant life or thick , strong sentiant life. I think a lack of DNA is a bit radical and extremely unlikely

Why do you need arms? Or at least, appendages that are specifically defined? Why can't they have tentacles or all manner of things we can't imagine.

If you're asking people to think big on the subject of other life, ask yourself to think big on your ideas of the aesthetics and functions of life.