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Do you believe that extraterrestrials visited ancient civilizations?

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Postby Delemont Septentrio » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:26 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Delemont Septentrio wrote:I'm a believer in the theory, crazier things have happened. I'm not going to get into an argument about it, because this is NSG. Nothing good comes of NSG debate.

What crazier things have happened, crazier than aliens visiting the earth a couple of thousand years ago?


Yep. Found 20 bucks in change in a cup next to this sleeping guy on the sidewalk on my way to work. To think somebody would just leave it there... Pretty crazy.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:27 pm

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Coincidentally, the Holocaust had about 6 million jewish victims.

And the holocaust was also a crazy thing :(

As is the Western World's ability to forget the atrocities committed by Stalin during the same time period because he was our ally.


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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:27 pm

Delemont Septentrio wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What crazier things have happened, crazier than aliens visiting the earth a couple of thousand years ago?


Yep. Found 20 bucks in change in a cup next to this sleeping guy on the sidewalk on my way to work. To think somebody would just leave it there... Pretty crazy.

American money all looks the same though.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:28 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:What crazier things have happened, crazier than aliens visiting the earth a couple of thousand years ago?

This woman was 6 million votes away from being vice president of the US. Crazy shit.

9.5 million and that was never a possibility.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:30 pm

I hate the History Channel.
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Postby Chrobalta » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:31 pm

DesAnges wrote:
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Coincidentally, the Holocaust had about 6 million jewish victims.

And the holocaust was also a crazy thing :(

As is the Western World's ability to forget the atrocities committed by Stalin during the same time period because he was our ally.

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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:32 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:I hate the History Channel.


So that's why you're enraged?
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Postby Rynatia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:32 pm

No, if so why don't they still do it? Quite frankly this is crazy.I don't get why people called Religion insane when they hear this kind of stuff.Humanity can achieve anything.

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Postby Grachmen » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:32 pm

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:36 pm

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:37 pm

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DesAnges wrote:As is the Western World's ability to forget the atrocities committed by Stalin during the same time period because he was our ally.


I did not forget.

Sorry, that should have been was.
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:37 pm

Bulgislavia wrote:whether aliens visited and influenced Ancient civilizations and planet Earth is just some nature reserve planet that some intergalactic organization/community has been observing and influencing for thousands of years is a very very entertaining and interesting concept.

People can hate and ridicule on it all they like but these people really think outside the square and I like that. Also I think its good for free speech because it can get people thinking about concepts, ideas and theories that otherwise would not be able to exist without free speech.

Personally I think its a possibility

Also what if Earth is already one of "Their" planets and they are just looking after it until we reach a point where we can be integrated into their community.

Or what if long ago they created a planetary transportation network in the form of something like Star gates so Aliens could more easily travel between their planets and ours


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Postby Doppio Giudici » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:38 pm

2 options. We live in this tiny system and breed till we fill it up and then kill ourselves , or there is a way to get from one planet to another in about 10 years or less. The second option sounds less depressing so I'm going to believe it and if you want you can pick one. If a planet can support life , then it has water, a good tempature , a stable ozone layer and a lot of nitrogen (which is very common) and some carbon dioxide. If it has those things it can support life and after a few billion years sentiant life.

We only need oxygen to undergo Cellular respiration , which could simpley use a gas that can pick up carbon. They might breath some other gas or not eat gluscose at all. However for sentiant life they need 2 eyes (any more or less and brainpower is missused) , 2 ears , a mouth , 2 arms , 2 legs , and walk upright. So any planet that can support life , most likely can support sentiant life. Most sentiant life will be humanoid and speak in some way.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:38 pm

The Mechanan Race wrote:I'll admit that the idea seems really far out there, and the answer will not come until something just as out there happens to show us, but it is possible. There many things pointing to not, but there are many things pointing to yes as well.

"There are many things pointing to yes as well"? Really? Such as what?
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:39 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Mechanan Race wrote:I'll admit that the idea seems really far out there, and the answer will not come until something just as out there happens to show us, but it is possible. There many things pointing to not, but there are many things pointing to yes as well.

"There are many things pointing to yes as well"? Really? Such as what?


The sign he put up in his yard pointing to the aliens.

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Postby Xanixi » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:40 pm

Of course they did. Except Im actually serious. Look.

The definition of God is: the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Humanity, at the time throwing rocks and spears to catch their food, would see these thousands of Aliens with their space ships and test tubes, and figured they were the Gods. The ancient civilizations of the past had several gods, of who were probably just commanding officers or something along those lines.

The definition of gods is: one of several deities

They created several gods to worship to, when, actually, they were Aliens, that they presumed to be gods because of their advanced power. Their beliefs, as incorrect as they were, grew down the path of time, and developed into the religions we hold to be "true" today.

No, Im not a Scientologist. Im an Atheist. I don't see where or how the past civilizations could have ever thought that anything was ever any larger than themselves without being delusional, or misunderstanding another species. Somewhere along the lines that Sebastian (I think his name is) explains in AvP 1. He explains the Predators discovered Earth, and the humans that lived there praised them as gods. While, yes, that was a fictional movie, in my eyes, it makes far more sense than believing that one being, or several, are in complete and utter control of the Universe and all of it's inhabitants.

Granted, a large part of this was based off the Assassin's Creed universe (minus the balls of ultimate power), where early humans DID, in fact, misunderstand Those Who Came Before as gods when, in reality, they were another species that once resided on Earth.

Many don't believe that Aliens exist. Look up a picture of the known universe; tell me that we're all alone.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:41 pm

Doppio Giudici wrote:However for sentiant life they need 2 eyes (any more or less and brainpower is missused) , 2 ears , a mouth , 2 arms , 2 legs , and walk upright. So any planet that can support life , most likely can support sentiant life. Most sentiant life will be humanoid and speak in some way.

I strongly suspect that all of this is bullshit, but do please elaborate. Why, exactly, must sentient life be as you describe? Why can it be no other way?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:41 pm

Bulgislavia wrote:whether aliens visited and influenced Ancient civilizations and planet Earth is just some nature reserve planet that some intergalactic organization/community has been observing and influencing for thousands of years is a very very entertaining and interesting concept.

People can hate and ridicule on it all they like but these people really think outside the square and I like that. Also I think its good for free speech because it can get people thinking about concepts, ideas and theories that otherwise would not be able to exist without free speech.

Personally I think its a possibility

Also what if Earth is already one of "Their" planets and they are just looking after it until we reach a point where we can be integrated into their community.

Or what if long ago they created a planetary transportation network in the form of something like Star gates so Aliens could more easily travel between their planets and ours

There's a difference between having an open mind and having one so open that your brains fall out. Your post is exactly like those History Channel shows, full of "what if?"
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:43 pm

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:"There are many things pointing to yes as well"? Really? Such as what?


The sign he put up in his yard pointing to the aliens.

(nods)

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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:44 pm

Xanixi wrote:Of course they did. Except Im actually serious. Look.

The definition of God is: the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Humanity, at the time throwing rocks and spears to catch their food, would see these thousands of Aliens with their space ships and test tubes, and figured they were the Gods. The ancient civilizations of the past had several gods, of who were probably just commanding officers or something along those lines.

The definition of gods is: one of several deities

They created several gods to worship to, when, actually, they were Aliens, that they presumed to be gods because of their advanced power. Their beliefs, as incorrect as they were, grew down the path of time, and developed into the religions we hold to be "true" today.

No, Im not a Scientologist. Im an Atheist. I don't see where or how the past civilizations could have ever thought that anything was ever any larger than themselves without being delusional, or misunderstanding another species. Somewhere along the lines that Sebastian (I think his name is) explains in AvP 1. He explains the Predators discovered Earth, and the humans that lived there praised them as gods. While, yes, that was a fictional movie, in my eyes, it makes far more sense than believing that one being, or several, are in complete and utter control of the Universe and all of it's inhabitants.

Granted, a large part of this was based off the Assassin's Creed universe (minus the balls of ultimate power), where early humans DID, in fact, misunderstand Those Who Came Before as gods when, in reality, they were another species that once resided on Earth.

Many don't believe that Aliens exist. Look up a picture of the known universe; tell me that we're all alone.
Better yet, open up this spoiler

(Image)

That's a tiny little fraction the known universe, and we don't even know the whole universe. Just to ensure that there isn't any confusion; those are galaxies...


Or maybe... humans have overactive imaginations? Yeah, I'm going with that, since that makes sense. Aliens definitely exist in one form or another, but, just according to probability, are probably way too far away to reach us. Even if they could, why would they?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:44 pm

Xanixi wrote:Of course they did. Except Im actually serious. Look.

The definition of God is: the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

Humanity, at the time throwing rocks and spears to catch their food, would see these thousands of Aliens with their space ships and test tubes, and figured they were the Gods. The ancient civilizations of the past had several gods, of who were probably just commanding officers or something along those lines.

The definition of gods is: one of several deities

They created several gods to worship to, when, actually, they were Aliens, that they presumed to be gods because of their advanced power. Their beliefs, as incorrect as they were, grew down the path of time, and developed into the religions we hold to be "true" today.

No, Im not a Scientologist. Im an Atheist. I don't see where or how the past civilizations could have ever thought that anything was ever any larger than themselves without being delusional, or misunderstanding another species. Somewhere along the lines that Sebastian (I think his name is) explains in AvP 1. He explains the Predators discovered Earth, and the humans that lived there praised them as gods. While, yes, that was a fictional movie, in my eyes, it makes far more sense than believing that one being, or several, are in complete and utter control of the Universe and all of it's inhabitants.

Granted, a large part of this was based off the Assassin's Creed universe (minus the balls of ultimate power), where early humans DID, in fact, misunderstand Those Who Came Before as gods when, in reality, they were another species that once resided on Earth.

Many don't believe that Aliens exist. Look up a picture of the known universe; tell me that we're all alone.
Better yet, open up this spoiler

(Image)

That's a tiny little fraction the known universe, and we don't even know the whole universe. Just to ensure that there isn't any confusion; those are galaxies...

Your ancestors may have been that dumb, but mine weren't. Anyway, evidence?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Xanixi wrote:While, yes, that was a fictional movie, in my eyes, it makes far more sense than believing that one being, or several, are in complete and utter control of the Universe and all of it's inhabitants.

Here's another possibility: People just fucking invented the gods like they invented AvP and Assassins Creed.
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Postby Xanixi » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:47 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bulgislavia wrote:whether aliens visited and influenced Ancient civilizations and planet Earth is just some nature reserve planet that some intergalactic organization/community has been observing and influencing for thousands of years is a very very entertaining and interesting concept.

People can hate and ridicule on it all they like but these people really think outside the square and I like that. Also I think its good for free speech because it can get people thinking about concepts, ideas and theories that otherwise would not be able to exist without free speech.

Personally I think its a possibility

Also what if Earth is already one of "Their" planets and they are just looking after it until we reach a point where we can be integrated into their community.

Or what if long ago they created a planetary transportation network in the form of something like Star gates so Aliens could more easily travel between their planets and ours

There's a difference between having an open mind and having one so open that your brains fall out. Your post is exactly like those History Channel shows, full of "what if?"


Yes. "What if". Used because we don't know what is out there, and we'd like to imagine. That does not mean that they do not exist. We're certainly not the only intelligent being in the Milky Way, and you don't know how advanced those other ones get. They could have thousands of secret satellites with camouflage so badass that even our most advanced sensors can't spot us; and that could be their most outdated satellites. The point of the "what if" is to speculate things we do not know for certain. That is why I do not write, "What if Aliens exist."
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:47 pm

Bulgislavia wrote:whether aliens visited and influenced Ancient civilizations and planet Earth is just some nature reserve planet that some intergalactic organization/community has been observing and influencing for thousands of years is a very very entertaining and interesting concept.

People can hate and ridicule on it all they like but these people really think outside the square and I like that. Also I think its good for free speech because it can get people thinking about concepts, ideas and theories that otherwise would not be able to exist without free speech.

Personally I think its a possibility

Also what if Earth is already one of "Their" planets and they are just looking after it until we reach a point where we can be integrated into their community.

Or what if long ago they created a planetary transportation network in the form of something like Star gates so Aliens could more easily travel between their planets and ours

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Postby Bulgislavia » Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:47 pm

I don't know why so many people have some kind of revulsion to the idea of extra terrestrials and the possibility that they have had a hand in human development, its like some kind of psychological defense mechanism to stop them from having a breakdown because of the threat of destroying their established and entrenched idea of reality.

Instead of just ridiculing and making fun of very unique, out of the box ideas and theories can we just answer the question in the title and then discuss the repercussions if it ended out being true, its effects on human society and culture and politics and religion and how you personally would react to such a dramatic change in reality?

would you all die of heart attacks, still refuse to believe it for have a very long transitional period of adjusting your reality?

Personally if Ancient Aliens was disclosed by major religious and political institutions with records reaching back thousands of years I would be fascinated and it would come as a bit of a shock and surprise but overall I think it would be exciting and it wouldn't take long for an Adjustment of reality at all

Did aliens visit Ancient Civilizations? I think its possible, who knows what their motivations were or why they ended up leaving (or maybe they never did leave) but I don't think anybody can claim indefinitely that they know the truth of the matter, although some people probably Think/believe that they know the truth
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