Atheism: What's the point?

[Lithzenze]

Atheists get free cookies.

While religionists have to sell their souls for them.

1.) we dont sell
2.) we choose to belive or not
3.) if religion was truly brainwashing then everyone would be religous
4.) we may not get free cookies but we get eternal life, what more do you want???
5.) all the cookies i want when i get to heaven.

[Grave_n_idle]

Atheists get free cookies.

While religionists have to sell their souls for them.

1.) we dont sell
2.) we choose to belive or not
3.) if religion was truly brainwashing then everyone would be religous
4.) we may not get free cookies but we get eternal life, what more do you want???
5.) all the cookies i want when i get to heaven.

2) You choose to believe? That's not belief - that's lipservice. I pity you, because (if there is a god) no god will be tricked by your hollow rhetoric.

4) You don't get eternal life. You picked the wrong god. Now you either burn in some miserable hell, or you just die.

[Lithzenze]

Atheists get free cookies.

While religionists have to sell their souls for them.[/quote]

1.) we dont sell
2.) we choose to belive or not
3.) if religion was truly brainwashing then everyone would be religous
4.) we may not get free cookies but we get eternal life, what more do you want???
5.) all the cookies i want when i get to heaven.[/quote]

2) You choose to believe? That's not belief - that's lipservice. I pity you, because (if there is a god) no god will be tricked by your hollow rhetoric.

4) You don't get eternal life. You picked the wrong god. Now you either burn in some miserable hell, or you just die.[/quote]

sorry above should be quoted, my bad___________________________________^^^^^^
i choose to belive in christianity, know one has made me, it called faith.
and i am 100% sure i have chosen the one and only god.

[Grave_n_idle]

i choose to belive in christianity, know one has made me, it called faith.

I don't accept that you can CHOOSE to believe - thus, what you call faith, I call fiction.

I think you can be convinced to believe something, by the evidence... maybe. I don't think you can argue belief as something you can choose.

and i am 100% sure i have chosen the one and only god.

Unfortunately, you're wrong...

unless you can PROVE you're not. And you can't.

Thus, when the Muslims (for example) are proved right, you'll be burning, while the Atheists will be forgiven for their mere lack of faith.

[Lithzenze]

i choose to belive in christianity, know one has made me, it called faith.

I don't accept that you can CHOOSE to believe - thus, what you call faith, I call fiction.

I think you can be convinced to believe something, by the evidence... maybe. I don't think you can argue belief as something you can choose.

and i am 100% sure i have chosen the one and only god.

Unfortunately, you're wrong...

unless you can PROVE you're not. And you can't.

Thus, when the Muslims (for example) are proved right, you'll be burning, while the Atheists will be forgiven for their mere lack of faith.

1.) there is more evidence to support evolution, but i do not belive it.
2.) i dont need to prove i am right, because i know i am, and i have faith, furthmore if you want prove there is a very popular book out there called the Bible, cheack it out some time.
3.) are u muslim then??

[Grave_n_idle]

1.) there is more evidence to support evolution, but i do not belive it.

No one should 'believe' evolution. It's a theory, and the evidence suggests it's true, but you should take it as a viable model, not a statement of faith.

2.) i dont need to prove i am right, because i know i am, and i have faith, furthmore if you want prove there is a very popular book out there called the Bible, cheack it out some time.

You can't prove you're right, so you're CLAIMS that you're right are worthless. Sure, they make you feel happy, but that doesn't make it any more valid than, say, masturbation.

As for reading the Bible, a cute attempt at being patronising, that ultimately fails. You assume I haven't read the Bible. You assume I haven't read it hundreds of times, in multiple languages. You assume I haven't read it in the original tongues. You assume I don't know the scripture better than you.

Assumptions are always risky things.

3.) are u muslim then??

No. Why would that even be relevant?

[JarVik]

The point of Atheism?

Well for starters it really frees up my weekends.

[Lithzenze]

1.) there is more evidence to support evolution, but i do not belive it.

No one should 'believe' evolution. It's a theory, and the evidence suggests it's true, but you should take it as a viable model, not a statement of faith.

2.) i dont need to prove i am right, because i know i am, and i have faith, furthmore if you want prove there is a very popular book out there called the Bible, cheack it out some time.

You can't prove you're right, so you're CLAIMS that you're right are worthless. Sure, they make you feel happy, but that doesn't make it any more valid than, say, masturbation.

As for reading the Bible, a cute attempt at being patronising, that ultimately fails. You assume I haven't read the Bible. You assume I haven't read it hundreds of times, in multiple languages. You assume I haven't read it in the original tongues. You assume I don't know the scripture better than you.

Assumptions are always risky things.

3.) are u muslim then??

No. Why would that even be relevant?

you said that when all the muslims are proven right, i would be burning in hell, so i thought u may be muslim seeing as you appear to favour their religion.

[Jingoist Hippostan]

The point of Atheism?

Well for starters it really frees up my weekends.

Fact.

Also, the question of "What's the point of being an atheist?" is similar to the question "What's the point of being gay?" You really don't get a lot of benefit from being gay, and in fact get a nice helping of societal stigma. So why would anyone be gay? Why wouldn't you just be straight?

Well, the reason is because you're not attracted to members of the opposite sex, and acting like you are will only make you unhappy. Atheists don't think a higher power exists, and acting like we do is going to make us unhappy. Plus if god is actually omnipotent, he'd probably notice we didn't actually believe in him and were just acting like we did to hedge our bets.

Maybe that's a shitty metaphor, I'm not sure.

[Kagetora]

i choose to belive in christianity, know one has made me, it called faith.

I don't accept that you can CHOOSE to believe - thus, what you call faith, I call fiction.

I think you can be convinced to believe something, by the evidence... maybe. I don't think you can argue belief as something you can choose.

and i am 100% sure i have chosen the one and only god.

Unfortunately, you're wrong...

unless you can PROVE you're not. And you can't.

Thus, when the Muslims (for example) are proved right, you'll be burning, while the Atheists will be forgiven for their mere lack of faith.

1.) there is more evidence to support evolution, but i do not belive it.
2.) i dont need to prove i am right, because i know i am, and i have faith, furthmore if you want prove there is a very popular book out there called the Bible, cheack it out some time.
3.) are u muslim then??

1.) I do. But that's a different arguement.
2a.) One thing you should probably realize here. More than half of the Atheists I know in person were originally some form of Christian. Myself, I used to be a Baptist. I have an ex-Lutheran friend, and an ex-Mormon friend. Many of us likely know scripture as good or better than you.
2b.) Why are you right, but another religion wrong? Why aren't you Muslim? Muslims, Jews, and Christians all believe in the same god, the God of Abraham.
3.) Never have been, never will be.

Maybe that's a shitty metaphor, I'm not sure.

I'd have to agree with this statement.
Religious issues can be made on a logical plane, while orientation is genetic.
"That a religious man is happier than an atheistic one is no more proof than a drunk man is happier than a sober one."

I have to say, the point to atheism is the following question.
"What's the point of religion?"

[Lithzenze]

1.) I do. But that's a different arguement.
2a.) One thing you should probably realize here. More than half of the Atheists I know in person were originally some form of Christian. Myself, I used to be a Baptist. I have an ex-Lutheran friend, and an ex-Mormon friend. Many of us likely know scripture as good or better than you.
2b.) Why are you right, but another religion wrong? Why aren't you Muslim? Muslims, Jews, and Christians all believe in the same god, the God of Abraham.
3.) Never have been, never will be.

Maybe that's a shitty metaphor, I'm not sure.

I'd have to agree with this statement.
Religious issues can be made on a logical plane, while orientation is genetic.
"That a religious man is happier than an atheistic one is no more proof than a drunk man is happier than a sober one."

I have to say, the point to atheism is the following question.
"What's the point of religion?"

2b) you must relize that the difference between all other religions are Christianity is Jesus Christ?

personally i feel more meaning to my life than when i was non-Christian, and i feel happier, safer, and just different.

[Kagetora]

2b) you must relize that the difference between all other religions are Christianity is Jesus Christ?

personally i feel more meaning to my life than when i was non-Christian, and i feel happier, safer, and just different.

2b) Muslims recognize Jesus Christ. So do some Jews.

"That a religious man is happier than an atheistic one is no more proof than a drunk man is happier than a sober one."

[Grave_n_idle]

you said that when all the muslims are proven right, i would be burning in hell, so i thought u may be muslim seeing as you appear to favour their religion.

Islam is an example.

No religions have been 'proved' true, yet - so they're all equally likely.

[Grave_n_idle]

2b) you must relize that the difference between all other religions are Christianity is Jesus Christ?

Wow. You don't read around the subject much, do you. Jesus is an important figure in Islam.

personally i feel more meaning to my life than when i was non-Christian, and i feel happier, safer, and just different.

It's worth pointing out that a lie can make you feel happy, safe and just different... just as the truth can.

[Tchikovskint]

You should believe in God and not yourself down to him love him

[Lithzenze]

2b) you must relize that the difference between all other religions are Christianity is Jesus Christ?

personally i feel more meaning to my life than when i was non-Christian, and i feel happier, safer, and just different.

2b) Muslims recognize Jesus Christ. So do some Jews.

"That a religious man is happier than an atheistic one is no more proof than a drunk man is happier than a sober one."

no other religion recingnizes Jesus as savouir and Gods son, thats the difference. there is also no prove that a drunk doesnt feel happier than a sober man, plus its funny how u compare religion to being drunk, realy Christianity gives me a natural high but still.

[Lithzenze]

2b) you must relize that the difference between all other religions are Christianity is Jesus Christ?

Wow. You don't read around the subject much, do you. Jesus is an important figure in Islam.

personally i feel more meaning to my life than when i was non-Christian, and i feel happier, safer, and just different.

It's worth pointing out that a lie can make you feel happy, safe and just different... just as the truth can.

a lie can also make u feel guilty, Christianity does not, and Islam doesnt recingnize Jesus as savuior and son of god.

[Lithzenze]

You should believe in God and not yourself down to him love him

I agree, Bless you.

[Grave_n_idle]

a lie can also make u feel guilty, Christianity does not,

A lie makes the person lying feel guilty - not usually the one's being lied to.

Unless, you KNOW it's a lie... in which case you might feel guilty for your complicity.

As the unknowing recipient of the lie, you'd be free to believe with no sense of guilt.

...and Islam doesnt recingnize Jesus as savuior and son of god.

Does that matter? Until Nicaea, the same could be said of Christianity.

Indeed, not all 'christian' traditions accept Jesus as 'son of god', today.

[Lithzenze]

a lie can also make u feel guilty, Christianity does not,

A lie makes the person lying feel guilty - not usually the one's being lied to.

Unless, you KNOW it's a lie... in which case you might feel guilty for your complicity.

As the unknowing recipient of the lie, you'd be free to believe with no sense of guilt.

...and Islam doesnt recingnize Jesus as savuior and son of god.

Does that matter? Until Nicaea, the same could be said of Christianity.

Indeed, not all 'christian' traditions accept Jesus as 'son of god', today.

well if they dont except Jesus Christ as son or God in man form (also known as son, son not nessicerially meaning actual birth son) then those Christians are reading a totally different Bible than i am, plus the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus is Gods son, otherwise his death would be unimportant, and Christianity would be the same as being Jewish.

[JarVik]

You should believe in God and not yourself down to him love him

Dude! thats my Flag! Confusing

[Grave_n_idle]

well if they dont except Jesus Christ as son or God in man form (also known as son, son not nessicerially meaning actual birth son) then those Christians are reading a totally different Bible than i am,

It's worth pointing out that, yes, those coming before Nicaea probably DID read a different Bible to you, since the texts considered canonical were rather more fluid.

Of course, there are Christians today who read different Bibles... and there are denominations that read the SAME Bibles but reach different conclusions.

plus the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus is Gods son,

No, it isn't. The 'point' of Christianity is the 'pure, unblemished lamb' being sacrificed to enable god's wrath to pass over.

otherwise his death would be unimportant, and Christianity would be the same as being Jewish.

Hardly. According to Judaism, Christianity is heresy and blasphemy, since it falls on one of the most important commandments - it places other Gods before Jehovah God.

[Takaram]

a lie can also make u feel guilty, Christianity does not,

A lie makes the person lying feel guilty - not usually the one's being lied to.

Unless, you KNOW it's a lie... in which case you might feel guilty for your complicity.

As the unknowing recipient of the lie, you'd be free to believe with no sense of guilt.

...and Islam doesnt recingnize Jesus as savuior and son of god.

Does that matter? Until Nicaea, the same could be said of Christianity.

Indeed, not all 'christian' traditions accept Jesus as 'son of god', today.

well if they dont except Jesus Christ as son or God in man form (also known as son, son not nessicerially meaning actual birth son) then those Christians are reading a totally different Bible than i am, plus the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus is Gods son, otherwise his death would be unimportant, and Christianity would be the same as being Jewish.

The point he was trying to make is that prior to the Council of Nicea, Jesus was not seen as the son of god, just a prophet. Jesus wasn't seen as the son of God until centuries after his death. The Bible you read is a direct result of the Council selecting what books and verses would go into it to fit their interpretation.

[Galloism]

Hardly. According to Judaism, Christianity is heresy and blasphemy, since it falls on one of the most important commandments - it places other Gods before Jehovah God.

This sentence requires the word "most" somewhere in its construction. Right before "Christianity" would be best.

[Lithzenze]

well if they dont except Jesus Christ as son or God in man form (also known as son, son not nessicerially meaning actual birth son) then those Christians are reading a totally different Bible than i am,

It's worth pointing out that, yes, those coming before Nicaea probably DID read a different Bible to you, since the texts considered canonical were rather more fluid.

Of course, there are Christians today who read different Bibles... and there are denominations that read the SAME Bibles but reach different conclusions.

plus the whole point of Christianity is that Jesus is Gods son,

No, it isn't. The 'point' of Christianity is the 'pure, unblemished lamb' being sacrificed to enable god's wrath to pass over.

otherwise his death would be unimportant, and Christianity would be the same as being Jewish.

Hardly. According to Judaism, Christianity is heresy and blasphemy, since it falls on one of the most important commandments - it places other Gods before Jehovah God.

ok when i send they are reading a different bible i meant people today (the bible cleary states Jesus is the son of God). Christinaity is about Jesus Christ, that is why it is named after him (Christ, Christianity) its about him, the trinity, and how he died for us, its about the Lord our God, and the history of the peoples of God.