Atheism: What's the point?

[Grave_n_idle]

Yes I am very willing to put my trust in my beliefs in spite of your math. Can you say the same?

If you are willing to put your trust in your belief despite the math... then why bother with Pascal's Wager in the first place?

[Treznor]

Ah yes, Pascal's Wager. It's primary weakness lies in its binary proposition. Suppose we're both wrong? Suppose Krishna is the god we have to worship, then both you and I are out of luck. Then there's Odin, Zeus, Ba'al, Ra and a million more recorded and unrecorded throughout human history. So suddenly the odds aren't one to one, they're one to one million or more.

Still want to take that bet?

Yes I am very willing to put my trust in my beliefs in spite of your math. Can you say the same?

Yes. I can (and have in this thread) put forward a number of examples demonstrating the utter lack of proof that any gods interact in the observable universe and that all claims about godly activity have been indistinguishable from natural processes and random chance. I can say with great certainty that the foundations for belief in gods are completely irrational.

Your turn. What do you have to offer that isn't anecdotal?

[Ifreann]

I believe that God is real, you believe there is no God. If I am wrong and you are right then what differance does it make? However if I am right and you are wrong ....

Ah yes, Pascal's Wager. It's primary weakness lies in its binary proposition. Suppose we're both wrong? Suppose Krishna is the god we have to worship, then both you and I are out of luck. Then there's Odin, Zeus, Ba'al, Ra and a million more recorded and unrecorded throughout human history. So suddenly the odds aren't one to one, they're one to one million or more.

Still want to take that bet?

Yes I am very willing to put my trust in my beliefs in spite of your math. Can you say the same?

I don't know about Treznor, but if I had some doubts about my beliefs I would re-evaluate them.

[Kormanthor]

Yes I am very willing to put my trust in my beliefs in spite of your math. Can you say the same?

If you are willing to put your trust in your belief despite the math... then why bother with Pascal's Wager in the first place?

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

[Luna Amore]

Yes I am very willing to put my trust in my beliefs in spite of your math. Can you say the same?

If you are willing to put your trust in your belief despite the math... then why bother with Pascal's Wager in the first place?

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

You do realize you brought Pascal into the conversation, right?

[Kormanthor]

John 3:16 (New International Version)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

[Kormanthor]

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

You do realize you brought Pascal into the conversation, right?

I was talking about God, in your attempt to try to disprove what I am teaching you. You all brought pascal into it.

[Luna Amore]

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

You do realize you brought Pascal into the conversation, right?

I was talking about God, in your attempt to try to disprove what I am teaching you. You all brought pascal into it.

Whether or not you realize it, you brought him into the dialogue with this post:

I believe that God is real, you believe there is no God. If I am wrong and you are right then what differance does it make? However if I am right and you are wrong ....

That argument is Pascal's Wager. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

It's a particularly weak argument.

[Treznor]

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

You do realize you brought Pascal into the conversation, right?

I was talking about God, in your attempt to try to disprove what I am teaching you. You all brought pascal into it.

You used Pascal's Wager as a ploy to justify your belief in an invisible entity you've never interacted with and have no knowledge of beyond questionably written texts riddled with bad morality and inconsistent claims. That you didn't mention Pascal by name does not mean you didn't bring him into it.

[Luna Amore]

John 3:16 (New International Version)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

How is this relevant to the thread?

[PartyPeoples]

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

You do realize you brought Pascal into the conversation, right?

I was talking about God, in your attempt to try to disprove what I am teaching you. You all brought pascal into it.

Stop being a plonker and pay attention to what is being said please!

[Kormanthor]

I asked you a simple question. Now the answer to that question is totally between you and him.

[Kormanthor]

John 3:16 (New International Version)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

How is this relevant to the thread?

It proves God does exist

[Treznor]

John 3:16 (New International Version)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

How is this relevant to the thread?

It proves God does exist

I have a story that proves there's a dragon in my garage. Shall we compare claims?

[Deus Malum]

John 3:16 (New International Version)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

"When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?"
"What's for breakfast? said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?"
"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet.
Pooh nodded thoughtfully.
"It's the same thing," he said.
-The Tao of Pooh

[Treznor]

I asked you a simple question. Now the answer to that question is totally between you and him.

I find it difficult to demand answers from things that aren't there.

[Kormanthor]

[quote="KormanthorYou used Pascal's Wager as a ploy to justify your belief in an invisible entity you've never interacted with and have no knowledge of beyond questionably written texts riddled with bad morality and inconsistent claims. That you didn't mention Pascal by name does not mean you didn't bring him into it.

My beliefs don't need justification, if you knew one quarter as much as you think you do you would know this.

[The Alma Mater]

Pascal has nothing to do with this except that God loves him too

But does God not hate those who serve the Prince of lies ?
And is trying to convince people by using an argument that is known to be highly flawed, like Pascals wager, not doing just that ?

[Kormanthor]

I have a story that proves there's a dragon in my garage. Shall we compare claims?

Well since Satan is sometimes described as a dragon .... maybe he is in your garage.

[Luna Amore]

John 3:16 (New International Version)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

How is this relevant to the thread?

It proves God does exist

I'm starting to think Poe on this one.

[Kormanthor]

I serve only Jesus, I rebuke and bind the prince of lies in the name of Jesus. I am not the one trying to twist scripture am I.

[Kormanthor]

Scripture never returns void

[Luna Amore]

I serve only Jesus, I rebuke and bind the prince of lies in the name of Jesus. I am not the one trying to twist scripture am I.

Seeing as how this is a thread on atheism, I can't imagine there has been much scripture in it. Granted, I haven't read all 80+ pages, but care to link to someone 'twisting scripture?'

[Treznor]

You used Pascal's Wager as a ploy to justify your belief in an invisible entity you've never interacted with and have no knowledge of beyond questionably written texts riddled with bad morality and inconsistent claims. That you didn't mention Pascal by name does not mean you didn't bring him into it.

My beliefs don't need justification, if you knew one quarter as much as you think you do you would know this.

So, your belief is purely subjective, anecdotal and irrational.

Thank you for demonstrating what I've been saying throughout this entire thread. You've been very helpful.

I have a story that proves there's a dragon in my garage. Shall we compare claims?

Well since Satan is sometimes described as a dragon .... maybe he is in your garage.

Attempting to dodging the question doesn't validate your position.

I serve only Jesus, I rebuke and bind the prince of lies in the name of Jesus. I am not the one trying to twist scripture am I.

Seeing as how this is a thread on atheism, I can't imagine there has been much scripture in it. Granted, I haven't read all 80+ pages, but care to link to someone 'twisting scripture?'

That'd be me. Scripture can be used to justify a multitude of positions, making it an unreliable source.

[New Brittonia]

I'm Baha'i so ... yeah.