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by Astrolinium » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:34 pm

by New Sapienta » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:34 pm
Fellrike wrote:Wow, I just looked at that link, showing which pols oppose SOPA, and which support it, and saw the overwhelming disparity in political contributions, in favor of the supporters. They may be a tiny group, but they sure have a lot of money to spend.
I see that most Republicans seem to support this terrible bill, which irritates me - I didn't send them to Washington for this sort of thing.
One of my friends, a liberal Democrat, teases me sometimes, when I complain about things like this. She says, it really makes you mad, doesn't it, when Republicans act like Republicans! I don't know what to say to her.
I can't understand why any American who doesn't work for either the corrections industry or the music/publishing industry would support SOPA.

by Farnhamia » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:35 pm
New Sapienta wrote:Fellrike wrote:Wow, I just looked at that link, showing which pols oppose SOPA, and which support it, and saw the overwhelming disparity in political contributions, in favor of the supporters. They may be a tiny group, but they sure have a lot of money to spend.
I see that most Republicans seem to support this terrible bill, which irritates me - I didn't send them to Washington for this sort of thing.
One of my friends, a liberal Democrat, teases me sometimes, when I complain about things like this. She says, it really makes you mad, doesn't it, when Republicans act like Republicans! I don't know what to say to her.
I can't understand why any American who doesn't work for either the corrections industry or the music/publishing industry would support SOPA.
Massive donations.
They're corrupt.

by New Sapienta » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:36 pm

by Farnhamia » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:40 pm

by New Sapienta » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:41 pm

by Kvatchdom » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:47 pm

by New Conglomerate » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:51 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:The supporters are conservative authoritarian right-wingers, so wrong.

by Tim-Opolis » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:52 pm
Astrolinium wrote:I don't believe anyone actually using NationStates could seriously have voted yes on this poll and actually meant it.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic

by Kvatchdom » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:53 pm

by Robert Magoo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:55 pm
Fellrike wrote:Wow, I just looked at that link, showing which pols oppose SOPA, and which support it, and saw the overwhelming disparity in political contributions, in favor of the supporters. They may be a tiny group, but they sure have a lot of money to spend.
I see that most Republicans seem to support this terrible bill, which irritates me - I didn't send them to Washington for this sort of thing.
One of my friends, a liberal Democrat, teases me sometimes, when I complain about things like this. She says, it really makes you mad, doesn't it, when Republicans act like Republicans! I don't know what to say to her.
I can't understand why any American who doesn't work for either the corrections industry or the music/publishing industry would support SOPA.

by New Conglomerate » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:56 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:New Conglomerate wrote:Not really. A ton of Tea Party groups are opposed to it. This legislation is universally hated by every political persuasion that isn't a wholly owned subsidiary of the recording industry.
Yeah,Ron Paul and the others. But the majority and probably all of it's supporters are authoritarian righties, as I said.

by Robert Magoo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:00 pm

by New Conglomerate » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:05 pm
Robert Magoo wrote:New Conglomerate wrote:No, I'm talking about the Moral Majority-esque Tea Party groups. The ones that aren't astro-turfed Koch Brothers operations.
I think he meant the non-TP Republicans. Teapartiers are generally a little more libertarian-leaning than the party as a whole, even the conservative ones. The average Republican doesn't give a crap about civil liberties.
Mike the Progressive wrote:My opinion? It's fucking stupid. The internet should be free from the grasps of government. Furthermore, our Congress is too inept to know what the hell they are doing with regards to the internet.
Fuck, SOPA.

by SaintB » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:05 pm

by Tim-Opolis » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:09 pm
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic

by Kvatchdom » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:22 pm
Robert Magoo wrote:New Conglomerate wrote:No, I'm talking about the Moral Majority-esque Tea Party groups. The ones that aren't astro-turfed Koch Brothers operations.
I think he meant the non-TP Republicans. Teapartiers are generally a little more libertarian-leaning than the party as a whole, even the conservative ones. The average Republican doesn't give a crap about civil liberties.

by Kvatchdom » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:27 pm
What I meant was, that no left-winger or libertarian would ever support this discusting bill. Civil-liberties, surprisingly, are linked to the internet. The supporters of SOPA are authoritarian right-wingers, but many Republicans are -not- Authoritarian. Reps and Dems are basically the same thing.New Conglomerate wrote:Robert Magoo wrote:I think he meant the non-TP Republicans. Teapartiers are generally a little more libertarian-leaning than the party as a whole, even the conservative ones. The average Republican doesn't give a crap about civil liberties.
My Republican friends and Mike the Progressive (actually a moderate Republican) would disagree with you on that.Mike the Progressive wrote:My opinion? It's fucking stupid. The internet should be free from the grasps of government. Furthermore, our Congress is too inept to know what the hell they are doing with regards to the internet.
Fuck, SOPA.

by Natapoc » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:28 pm
Robert Magoo wrote:New Conglomerate wrote:No, I'm talking about the Moral Majority-esque Tea Party groups. The ones that aren't astro-turfed Koch Brothers operations.
I think he meant the non-TP Republicans. Teapartiers are generally a little more libertarian-leaning than the party as a whole, even the conservative ones. The average Republican doesn't give a crap about civil liberties.

by Natapoc » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:29 pm
SaintB wrote:I've already written to my rep in congress and my Senators. That original SOPA thread that got mentioned was started by me and its been something I've been working against (to the best of my ability) since I heard about it. I've written letters, signed petitions, and even made phone calls to keep this bill from becoming law. The only one I heard back from is Bob Casey who has people sending me updates. (No I don't think I'm the only one that its being done for I'm just pointing out that Senator Casey does a great job with working with the public)


by Robert Magoo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:34 pm
I don't know about your friends, but remember how many Republicans were in favor of the Patriot Act when Bush was president? People with an attachment to their political party (true of a large chunk of both Republicans and Democrats, and other parties like the Libertarian Party) will stand by whatever policies and ideals their party supports, whether they're right or wrong. They don't think independently. They don't weigh the issues on an individual basis, but support whatever "the authorities" tell them to. Republicans like to pretend they're for free markets, but what they really want is corporatized markets, because that's what their contributors want. Piracy is bad of course, and should be fought, but not at the expense of free speech/expression.New Conglomerate wrote:My Republican friends and Mike the Progressive (actually a moderate Republican) would disagree with you on that..

by Robert Magoo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:36 pm
Natapoc wrote:Robert Magoo wrote:I think he meant the non-TP Republicans. Teapartiers are generally a little more libertarian-leaning than the party as a whole, even the conservative ones. The average Republican doesn't give a crap about civil liberties.
Correction: The average Republican politician does not give a crap about civil liberties. The average citizen who votes republican really does care about them.

by Robert Magoo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:37 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:What I meant was, that no left-winger or libertarian would ever support this discusting bill. Civil-liberties, surprisingly, are linked to the internet. The supporters of SOPA are authoritarian right-wingers, but many Republicans are -not- Authoritarian. Reps and Dems are basically the same thing.

by Kvatchdom » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:41 pm
Robert Magoo wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:What I meant was, that no left-winger or libertarian would ever support this discusting bill. Civil-liberties, surprisingly, are linked to the internet. The supporters of SOPA are authoritarian right-wingers, but many Republicans are -not- Authoritarian. Reps and Dems are basically the same thing.
Exactly. They're both authoritarian, just regarding slightly different issues, with a different flavor.
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