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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:32 pm
by Ifreann
Astrolinium wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Women are conditioned by society to put up with the embarrassment of being viewed sexually. Men are conditioned to think being viewed sexually is "awesome" because society tells us that we are ready for sex 24/7.


Have you ever actually talked to a woman?

I imagine that he can't, lest he feel attraction.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:32 pm
by Unchecked Expansion
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:A compliment is a compliment. :D


ITT: Sexual harassment is a compliment.

'Hey, you've actually got a really nice bum' was not harassment or abusive. It was actually a pretty positive thing, because if there's one thing I suffer from it's terrible self-confidence.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:32 pm
by Aliana
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:A compliment is a compliment. :D


ITT: Sexual harassment is a compliment.

I don't feel that someone saying I have a nice ass is sexual harassment. If he/she continues the behavior or tries to do something, then it becomes sexual harassment.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:32 pm
by Aliana
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:Let me ask you this, do you desire friendship with people? Does it bring you joy to make new friends? Isn't that just another kind of attraction? What makes that attraction acceptable, but not sexual attraction.


No, I don't let people get to close to me. I don't like having friends.

You need professional help.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:33 pm
by Four-sided Triangles
Astrolinium wrote:Have you ever actually talked to a woman?


I even turned down the offer of someone to become her boyfriend. I lied and told her that I'm asexual.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:33 pm
by The Murtunian Tribes
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:A compliment is a compliment. :D


ITT: Sexual harassment is a compliment.

:blink: How? How is that harassment if he doesn't feel harassed?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:34 pm
by Gauthier
Man, even Femnipotent would tell this guy to grow a set.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:34 pm
by Coccygia
All I can say is :p

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:34 pm
by Four-sided Triangles
Unchecked Expansion wrote:'Hey, you've actually got a really nice bum' was not harassment or abusive.


Complimenting someone's ass is pretty universally considered sexual harassment. You can get sued for it.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm
by Holy Paradise
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:Let me ask you this, do you desire friendship with people? Does it bring you joy to make new friends? Isn't that just another kind of attraction? What makes that attraction acceptable, but not sexual attraction.


No, I don't let people get to close to me. I don't like having friends.


You do understand that human beings are by nature social creatures, and as such, your stance is slightly unnatural.

That's not to say that being more of a loner is a bad thing. But, generally, even loners have some people they can find a little bit of a connection with. The only loners that don't tend to be...well...dangerous to society.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm
by The Floridian Coast
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:Have you ever actually talked to a woman?


I even turned down the offer of someone to become her boyfriend. I lied and told her that I'm asexual.


Why didn't you tell her the truth? Since you're the only man in the universe who actually respects women surely she would have an instant epiphany that you're the only ethical male ever and join you in celibacy and self-flagellation for millions of years of evolutionary instinct.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm
by Desperate Measures
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Holy Paradise wrote:Let me ask you this, do you desire friendship with people? Does it bring you joy to make new friends? Isn't that just another kind of attraction? What makes that attraction acceptable, but not sexual attraction.


No, I don't let people get to close to me. I don't like having friends.

Why should we turn to you for advice on how to be emotionally and psychologically stable?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm
by Chulainan
Hmm, so your saying that being attracted to someone is sexual harassment.

Therefore I demand that the women of the world sexually harass me.....constantly.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:36 pm
by Trotskylvania
Hydesland wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:that is proof positive that women are inferior to men


Where on earth did he say that?

you hide your sexism under the puritanical guise of whiteknighting.


Given that UT is a strong atheist, this sounds like you're pigeon holing him and being intellectually lazy.

Treating women like they're porcelain and need protection from the terrible male gaze is still sexism, and it still places women in a place of inferiority. If you can't see this angle coming from FST, then you haven't been paying attention.
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:You can't say that women are inherently harmed by men looking at them without implying the inherent biological inferiority of women.


Absolute bullshit. Maybe women are harmed in this way because they're more self-conscious and therefore more self-aware and intelligent.

As others have pointed out, you're not saying this. You're saying their emotionally unstable and fragile.

I have to give you partial credit. You're at least trying to be a good person. But as Aristotle noted, vices are often virtues taken to an excess. This is one of those cases. The most demeaning thing in the world is being told that you're fragile and can't be trusted to live your life as you want.

So you say that no men can ever feel attraction to women. But have you ever considered that women might want men to be attracted to them, to feel sexy or empowered?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:36 pm
by Samuraikoku
Ugh no, not this again... We already had enough trouble with Eve's Daughter's article. :(

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:36 pm
by Gauthier
Chulainan wrote:Hmm, so your saying that being attracted to someone is sexual harassment.

Therefore I demand that the women of the world sexually harass me.....constantly.


You're insisting women harass you? You male pig!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:36 pm
by Four-sided Triangles
The Floridian Coast wrote:Why didn't you tell her the truth?


Because I get enough bullshit and enough straw men online.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:37 pm
by Unchecked Expansion
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:'Hey, you've actually got a really nice bum' was not harassment or abusive.


Complimenting someone's ass is pretty universally considered sexual harassment. You can get sued for it.

Only if they don't want it. Coming from someone I knew, whose sexuality I knew, it was a compliment. A random stranger on the street saying 'nice ass, how bout some sex?' is different.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:37 pm
by The Merchant Republics
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:A compliment is a compliment. :D


ITT: Sexual harassment is a compliment.

ITT: "You're attractive" = "I want to rape you" apparently.

If you take a person to court for saying "You look nice today" hell, even "You have a nice butt" as sexual harassment your going to get that case dismissed faster than you can say, take a freaking compliment. Sexual harassment requires more than one repeated and uninvited comment (exceptions of course exist, but I digress), just like a harassment charge can't be filed for a single insult.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:38 pm
by Ifreann
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:'Hey, you've actually got a really nice bum' was not harassment or abusive.


Complimenting someone's ass is pretty universally considered sexual harassment. You can get sued for it.

Patently false.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:39 pm
by Four-sided Triangles
Trotskylvania wrote:As others have pointed out, you're not saying this. You're saying their emotionally unstable and fragile.

I have to give you partial credit. You're at least trying to be a good person. But as Aristotle noted, vices are often virtues taken to an excess. This is one of those cases. The most demeaning thing in the world is being told that you're fragile and can't be trusted to live your life as you want.

So you say that no men can ever feel attraction to women. But have you ever considered that women might want men to be attracted to them, to feel sexy or empowered?


I don't think they're too fragile. I think they've been brainwashed by society into accepting sexual arrangements that they don't really like.

As for men, I think we're too stupid to be trusted with too much political freedom.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:39 pm
by Conserative Morality
Four-sided Triangles wrote:I don't think they're too fragile. I think they've been brainwashed by society into accepting sexual arrangements that they don't really like.

As for men, I think we're too stupid to be trusted with too much political freedom.

Speak for yourself.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:39 pm
by The Murtunian Tribes
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:'Hey, you've actually got a really nice bum' was not harassment or abusive.


Complimenting someone's ass is pretty universally considered sexual harassment. You can get sued for it.

Uhhh...that's not quite how it works. It's only harassment if the "complimentee" feels harassed, in which case he/she files a grievance with human resources who then have a sit down and probably some sort of seminar. If behavior persists, or is just outright inappropriate, offender will lose his/her job. The only way a lawsuit would come about was if the harasser was abusing a position of authority or people were being retaliated against for filing claims.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:39 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:As others have pointed out, you're not saying this. You're saying their emotionally unstable and fragile.

I have to give you partial credit. You're at least trying to be a good person. But as Aristotle noted, vices are often virtues taken to an excess. This is one of those cases. The most demeaning thing in the world is being told that you're fragile and can't be trusted to live your life as you want.

So you say that no men can ever feel attraction to women. But have you ever considered that women might want men to be attracted to them, to feel sexy or empowered?


I don't think they're too fragile. I think they've been brainwashed by society into accepting sexual arrangements that they don't really like.

As for men, I think we're too stupid to be trusted with too much political freedom.

Speak for yourself.

EDIT: Ninja'd!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:40 pm
by Trotskylvania
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
The Floridian Coast wrote:Why didn't you tell her the truth?


Because I get enough bullshit and enough straw men online.

By lying to her, you treated her as an object and a mere means to an end: your own convenience.