Attraction is Objectification

[Samuraikoku]

One that has been developed after multiple failed attempts at romance, I'd wager.

People react differently... or maybe I'm just too optimistic.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

One that has been developed after multiple failed attempts at romance, I'd wager.

People react differently... or maybe I'm just too optimistic.

90% of this poster's threads are about how friendship is illogical and attraction is objectification. Either he's a really elaborate troll, or no one wanted to be his friend or fuck him- so now these things are immoral and he's one of the few individuals enlightened enough to see it.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Why do you think a happy couple has power asymmetries? Does it occur to you that your accounting of their relative power may be lacking?

A happy couple has power asymmetries if one is contributing more than the other. It means that one is putting in more and getting less out. That is exploitation.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

Mutual attraction leads to mutual objectification. EQUALITY!

[Four-sided Triangles]

90% of this poster's threads are about how friendship is illogical and attraction is objectification. Either he's a really elaborate troll, or no one wanted to be his friend or fuck him- so now these things are immoral and he's one of the few individuals enlightened enough to see it.

I rejected offers to be someone's boyfriend. I've had acquaintances, but didn't let them grow into actual friendships.

[The Congregationists]

90% of this poster's threads are about how friendship is illogical and attraction is objectification. Either he's a really elaborate troll, or no one wanted to be his friend or fuck him- so now these things are immoral and he's one of the few individuals enlightened enough to see it.

Elaborate troll is elaborate?

Probobly a true analysis, btw. Or else he's been burned or traumatized somehow.

[Galloism]

90% of this poster's threads are about how friendship is illogical and attraction is objectification. Either he's a really elaborate troll, or no one wanted to be his friend or fuck him- so now these things are immoral and he's one of the few individuals enlightened enough to see it.

I rejected offers to be someone's boyfriend. I've had acquaintances, but didn't let them grow into actual friendships.

Then you missed chances to offer the maximum of good to other beings.

... You failed in your morality.

Good day.

[Samuraikoku]

I rejected offers to be someone's boyfriend. I've had acquaintances, but didn't let them grow into actual friendships.

I'd give my life for your luck.

[Grave_n_idle]

Why do you think a happy couple has power asymmetries? Does it occur to you that your accounting of their relative power may be lacking?

A happy couple has power asymmetries if one is contributing more than the other. It means that one is putting in more and getting less out. That is exploitation.

It's also poor math, because you're assuming that all the values have the same units.

[Gauthier]

People react differently... or maybe I'm just too optimistic.

90% of this poster's threads are about how friendship is illogical and attraction is objectification. Either he's a really elaborate troll, or no one wanted to be his friend or fuck him- so now these things are immoral and he's one of the few individuals enlightened enough to see it.

Which from this thread's count might make him a mod-sanctioned troll.

[Four-sided Triangles]

It's also poor math, because you're assuming that all the values have the same units.

You simply translate them all into monetary equivalences.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

90% of this poster's threads are about how friendship is illogical and attraction is objectification. Either he's a really elaborate troll, or no one wanted to be his friend or fuck him- so now these things are immoral and he's one of the few individuals enlightened enough to see it.

I rejected offers to be someone's boyfriend. I've had acquaintances, but didn't let them grow into actual friendships.

That was probably after your awkward teenage years, when all the pretty girls made fun of your acne and all the cool jocks didn't want to hang out with you. But now you've shown them! You've ascended to a plane of wisdom they can only dream of. And now you're showing everyone by rejecting society's offers of companionship.


While you live your sad, miserable existence out as a hermit somewhere I'll be getting laid.

[Grave_n_idle]

It's also poor math, because you're assuming that all the values have the same units.

You simply translate them all into monetary equivalences.

No, I don't - because doing so would be nonsense.

If I want a kebab, and it costs me two dollars, I can assign a monetary value to both the dollars and the kebab, but I can only eat the kebab.

[Samuraikoku]

Hey 4ST, if you can (if you're able to, have time, no hurry), please try to answer this to me.

If the morality you're going to live under leads you to lack of happiness, then why follow it?

[Great Nepal]

It's also poor math, because you're assuming that all the values have the same units.

You simply translate them all into monetary equivalences.

Okay, translate "pleasure" into momentary equivalence.

[Lauchlin]

Why do you think a happy couple has power asymmetries? Does it occur to you that your accounting of their relative power may be lacking?

A happy couple has power asymmetries if one is contributing more than the other. It means that one is putting in more and getting less out. That is exploitation.

No, your issue is that you are defining the terms incorrectly. A person who is happy in his or her relationship is receiving the maximum that can be received from that process. Think of it more as an asymptotic approach to a fixed limit, like c. Putting energy into the system increases happiness, but the amount of energy necessary to reach the same limit may vary. After a certain point, increased energy expenditure leads to a diminishing returns on further happiness.

[Four-sided Triangles]

That was probably after your awkward teenage years, when all the pretty girls made fun of your acne and all the cool jocks didn't want to hang out with you. But now you've shown them! You've ascended to a plane of wisdom they can only dream of. And now you're showing everyone by rejecting society's offers of companionship.

Cute, but ultimately wrong. I was never bullied. I never tried to get a girlfriend in my entire life.

[Galloism]

You simply translate them all into monetary equivalences.

Okay, translate "pleasure" into momentary equivalence.

*dials Vegas*

"Yes? Yes? Ok, $150 per hour? Ok cool."

$150/hr.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

That was probably after your awkward teenage years, when all the pretty girls made fun of your acne and all the cool jocks didn't want to hang out with you. But now you've shown them! You've ascended to a plane of wisdom they can only dream of. And now you're showing everyone by rejecting society's offers of companionship.

Cute, but ultimately wrong. I was never bullied. I never tried to get a girlfriend in my entire life.

Lies and denial wont make the years of hurt and awkwardness go away.

[Gauthier]

I rejected offers to be someone's boyfriend. I've had acquaintances, but didn't let them grow into actual friendships.

That was probably after your awkward teenage years, when all the pretty girls made fun of your acne and all the cool jocks didn't want to hang out with you. But now you've shown them! You've ascended to a plane of wisdom they can only dream of. And now you're showing everyone by rejecting society's offers of companionship.


While you live your sad, miserable existence out as a hermit somewhere I'll be getting laid.

And hoping everyone realizes his dreams of a ball-chopping Amazonian matriarchy.

[Lauchlin]

Hey 4ST, if you can (if you're able to, have time, no hurry), please try to answer this to me.

If the morality you're going to live under leads you to lack of happiness, then why follow it?

He gets more satisfaction out of being "moral" than he does out of being "happy."

Edit: Or at least likes to think that he does, anyway.

[Four-sided Triangles]

No, I don't - because doing so would be nonsense.

If I want a kebab, and it costs me two dollars, I can assign a monetary value to both the dollars and the kebab, but I can only eat the kebab.

But you value a kebab at a certain amount. There exists a certain price beyond which you would not buy this food item. That is the amount of value you assign to it and is therefore the monetary equivalent of the item.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Lies and denial wont make the years of hurt and awkwardness go away.

And trying to fit people you disagree with into your own fictional sexist narratives won't magically get rid of their arguments.

[Lauchlin]

No, I don't - because doing so would be nonsense.

If I want a kebab, and it costs me two dollars, I can assign a monetary value to both the dollars and the kebab, but I can only eat the kebab.

But you value a kebab at a certain amount. There exists a certain price beyond which you would not buy this food item. That is the amount of value you assign to it and is therefore the monetary equivalent of the item.

You missed the point. Your insistence that all values can be adequately translated into monetary values only demonstrates that you don't understand the real value of certain things.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

Lies and denial wont make the years of hurt and awkwardness go away.

And trying to fit people you disagree with into your own fictional sexist narratives won't magically get rid of their arguments.

It does if their arguments are hilarious and weak enough.