Attraction is Objectification

[Steel and Fire]

Women are conditioned by society to put up with the embarrassment of being viewed sexually. Men are conditioned to think being viewed sexually is "awesome" because society tells us that we are ready for sex 24/7.

Or maybe women are conditioned by society to feel embarrassment when being viewed sexually?

Tbh there are simple biological reasons why men and women have different responses to being viewed sexually, mostly involving pregnancy.

A man viewing a woman sexually is a threat—unless he's interested in you on a level beyond pure sexual attraction he'll probably just screw you and then run off leaving you with the baby. Men are well known for doing this throughout all of recorded history until "family values" caught on. This is why marriage is often viewed as "trapping" or "catching" a man—tying him to yourself by legal bonds so that he'll stay and help you raise the kids.

A woman viewing a man sexually is the opposite of a threat. It means the man doesn't have to put effort into pursuing women and doesn't have to worry about being trapped into marriage, since he is being placed in the role of selector (highly unusual from a historical perspective). Men arguably are following a biological imperative to spread their seed as widely as possible—natural selection seems as though it would reward the promiscuous—and therefore don't necessarily want marriage or families.

Obviously as a society we've moved on from this but there's no sense in denying that that's the narrative underlying these claims.

You seem not to hit on women because you don't want to put them through the embarrassment. Maybe instead of campaigning for men not to hit on women you should campaign for women not to feel embarrassment when they do. That way you achieve your goal of women not being embarrassed and you get to have sex.

It's win all round.

heh. I'll admit that my own reaction to being hit on is neither embarrassment nor pleasure, rather an instinctual fight-or-flight response and "shit, how am I going to get out of this?", but I have serious body image problems so you can safely ignore me as a statistical outlier.

[Steel and Fire]

Given the OP's continued 'I am so broken, but hey, you should all be broken like me too' posts, other than attention-whoring, I'm unsure where he's going with it all.

Life is a videogame and he's a 100% completionist. He has to beat the NSG bonus level to unlock the "most broken" achievement.

[Gravonia]

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish. And this is just from imagining what it would be like to be viewed sexually. Actually being viewed sexually must be far worse.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

I know this is from near the start of the thread so might have been answered already but did anyone ask why you feel this way?

Also, I believe you have said before that you are in therapy for this. Therefore you must accept that that thinking this way is an aberration. Therefore everyone else does not feel this way and so you would not be putting them through any mental anguish.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I know this is from near the start of the thread so might have been answered already but did anyone ask why you feel this way?

It's hard to have reasoning behind a gut reaction.

Also, I believe you have said before that you are in therapy for this.

No, I've had therapy before for other things.

Therefore everyone else does not feel this way and so you would not be putting them through any mental anguish.

It doesn't matter. If I don't want something done to me, then I can't do it to other people, even if they want it.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Life is a videogame and he's a 100% completionist. He has to beat the NSG bonus level to unlock the "most broken" achievement.

Calling a human being "broken" is objectification. Only objects can be broken.

[Seibertron]

Life is a videogame and he's a 100% completionist. He has to beat the NSG bonus level to unlock the "most broken" achievement.

Calling a human being "broken" is objectification. Only objects can be broken.

Seriously man this "objectification" nonsense it going to too far
/Buddhist

[Cosmopoles]

What was it that Einstein said about repeating the same thing over and over but expecting different results? OP, take note.

[Steel and Fire]

Life is a videogame and he's a 100% completionist. He has to beat the NSG bonus level to unlock the "most broken" achievement.

Calling a human being "broken" is objectification. Only objects can be broken.

Nonsense, only human beings can be broken. Calling objects broken is personification.

[Georgizm]

It doesn't matter. If I don't want something done to me, then I can't do it to other people, even if they want it.

Seems odd. I'd never take anal sex for example

[The Halseyist Faction]

Life is a videogame and he's a 100% completionist. He has to beat the NSG bonus level to unlock the "most broken" achievement.

Calling a human being "broken" is objectification. Only objects can be broken.

Human beings can be broken. Literally, for example when they break an arm, then they are broken. Mentally broken as well, someone whose lost a fight and fled, their will to resist can be broken.

I only tend to use it in the sense of being psychologically broken, when people do not just quite work as they should. Dangerous statement to make, I know.

But in my experience so many of the most beautiful humans I know, are also the most broken. Broken things are pretty.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Seems odd. I'd never take anal sex for example

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

[Seibertron]

Calling a human being "broken" is objectification. Only objects can be broken.

Nonsense, only human beings can be broken. Calling objects broken is personification.

You too win the internetz!

[Seibertron]

Seems odd. I'd never take anal sex for example

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

That's not hypocrisy!

[Cosmopoles]

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

Its sodomy, not a gift exchange.

[Desperate Measures]

I did giggle. A lot. And yes, it is ridiculous how far the wrong way some people have gone to supposedly try to right some of the wrongs that exist, for all the wrong reasons to boot.

Like I said, if some people want to go around being miserable and dysfunctional, that's their business. Leave me out of it. I don't have a problem with men, women, and the relationships that can exist on several levels between them. I don't intend to force people who don't want to be intimately involved to do so, nor do I care for anyone suggesting I should have any guilt, hangups, or inherent dislike for such activities myself.

Given the OP's continued 'I am so broken, but hey, you should all be broken like me too' posts, other than attention-whoring, I'm unsure where he's going with it all. It's like he lives in a little glass cage of his own creation that can shatter at the slightest misstep or ill-timed jostle, while at the same time, mainly showcasing just how ridiculous he's being, for all to see. He's just going to dismiss or ignore my comments anyway, as usual. Clearly, I can't think or reason for myself, so why should he accept anything I have to say on the matter.

I must say though, these threads seem to bring up one of my fave songs to mind, every time I see them.

My take: If I were a raging anti-feminist, I'd do exactly as FST is doing here and now. This reeks of false flag to me. The point of view he's presenting is to feminism what Christwire and/or Landover Baptist are to fundamentalist Christianity. Into what fever swamps of extremism can I push this ideology I really don't like so as to make it look bad, then sit there and laugh my ass off at everyone rushing to get all serious about it. It's Poe's Law in action.

Except nobody in their right mind would call this feminism. At least those other things try to have some tie to that which they mock.

[Seibertron]

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

Its sodomy, not a gift exchange.

Man you psychic or what? I was totally going to compare it with exchanging different objects to one another!

[Seibertron]

I objectify with pride

Object Pride worldwide! lol

[Norstal]

Seems odd. I'd never take anal sex for example

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

How is that being hypocritical? It's not a belief.

[The Halseyist Faction]

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

That's not hypocrisy!

Well it sort of is...

If you're expecting your partner to allow you to do certain things, but refuse to let them do exactly the same things to you, it is a little hypocritical. Certainly you have the right to do that, but still...

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Objects my lily-white behind.

A heart can be broken without any physical damage being done.
You can carry a tune and not hold anything in your hands.
One can hold someone dear in their thoughts without being able to see, hear, or touch them.
And the list goes on.

English, mofo. Do ya speak it? More to point, do you understand it?

[Norstal]

Objects my lily-white behind.

A heart can be broken without any physical damage being done.
You can carry a tune and not hold anything in your hands.
One can hold someone dear in their thoughts without being able to see, hear, or touch them.
And the list goes on.

English, mofo. Do ya speak it? More to point, do you understand it?

What?

[Four-sided Triangles]

Objects my lily-white behind.

A heart can be broken without any physical damage being done.
You can carry a tune and not hold anything in your hands.
One can hold someone dear in their thoughts without being able to see, hear, or touch them.
And the list goes on.

English, mofo. Do ya speak it? More to point, do you understand it?

I know that calling someone "broken" is a metaphor. But it is a metaphor that involves comparing a person to an object. That's a curious thing to do.

[Seibertron]

Objects my lily-white behind.

A heart can be broken without any physical damage being done.
You can carry a tune and not hold anything in your hands.
One can hold someone dear in their thoughts without being able to see, hear, or touch them.
And the list goes on.

English, mofo. Do ya speak it? More to point, do you understand it?

I am a bit of a grammar nazi sometimes but, people who deliberately question metaphors and idioms are out of this world.

[Samuraikoku]

So you're a hypocrite if you anally penetrate someone else, even if they desire it.

How is that being hypocritical? It's not a belief.

Do unto others as you want done unto you. Kant made a point of this. So I'm taking it has to be related to that. If you don't want anal sex done to you, you shouldn't do anal sex to someone else. This would be the reasoning, one that I don't think Kant had in mind.

[Samuraikoku]

Objects my lily-white behind.

A heart can be broken without any physical damage being done.
You can carry a tune and not hold anything in your hands.
One can hold someone dear in their thoughts without being able to see, hear, or touch them.
And the list goes on.

English, mofo. Do ya speak it? More to point, do you understand it?

What?

SAY WHAT AGAIN! I DARE YOU - I DOUBLE DARE YOU, SAY WHAT ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME!