Attraction is Objectification

[Four-sided Triangles]

Whether or not information is finite is irrelevant.

Only because of the axiom of uncountable choice. However, the finite nature of information guarantees that even monetary measure can be mapped to, though the map may not be injective.

I'm convinced now that you are not being sincere.

Why?

[Lauchlin]

Many things are incapable of being translated into binary.

Like what?

Anything that has a state between all and none. You can approximate things with binary, but whether or not that's adequate is up to you, Mr. Absolutist.

No matter how many sides you add to that polygon, you'll never get to a circle.

Only if you insist on stopping with finite cardinals.

Limits going to infinity are not things that are actually achievable. Principle/practice distinction. Learn it.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Anything that has a state between all and none. You can approximate things with binary, but whether or not that's adequate is up to you, Mr. Absolutist.

False. There exist binary representations of all real numbers. This can be proven.

Limits going to infinity are not things that are actually achievable. Principle/practice distinction. Learn it.

They are not achievable in terms of an algorithm, but they do exist in an abstract sense.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm convinced now that you are not being sincere.

Why?

Probably this?

*nods*

[Lauchlin]

Whether or not information is finite is irrelevant.

Only because of the axiom of uncountable choice. However, the finite nature of information guarantees that even monetary measure can be mapped to, though the map may not be injective.

Incorrect. The disconnect is that monetary values are based on assumptions (scarcity, etc) that don't apply to many non-material things that nonetheless have value.

I'm convinced now that you are not being sincere.

Why?

Because you're resorting to obscure, barely coherent philosophical dodges in an attempt to avoid actually addressing the issues that people are bringing up. Either you're a fundamentally damaged individual on the verge of a breakdown who can't handle criticism, or you're just enjoying getting people to interact with you like this. I'm being generous and assuming the less derogatory.

[Lauchlin]

Anything that has a state between all and none. You can approximate things with binary, but whether or not that's adequate is up to you, Mr. Absolutist.

False. There exist binary representations of all real numbers. This can be proven.

Real numbers are not what I was talking about.

[Cannot think of a name]

I rejected offers to be someone's boyfriend. I've had acquaintances, but didn't let them grow into actual friendships.

I'd give my life for your luck.

You know, I can marginally understand this. I had (kind of still have) this kind of Eeyore/emo/martyr/woe is me kind of kick going on. In junior high I was 'put out' that people wanted me to go to a dance and when I did when this hot chick danced with me I lamented that I wasn't working on my model...I wasn't even good at making models...she got appropriately upset and bailed and part of me congratulated myself. Of course, the other part of me regrets that shit to this day. Not because I missed a chance to get laid, that would be a stretch, but because in my self-righteous self-absorption where romantic entanglements were 'beneath' me, I really hurt a girl's feelings who was honestly just trying to be nice to me. What kind of a jackass does that kind of thing?

It was sort of this pervasive feeling that no matter how much counter evidence was presented, somewhere along the line I had convinced myself that it was all bullshit or something and that I was 'above it' and thus congratulated myself on my martyrdom.

I eventually wrote a play about it (an emo bastard wrote a play? Get out! On the plus side, it's a comedy...and was, I guess ironically, pretty popular where it has been produced) when I got older and looked at myself in my early 20s being put out by having people around me, liking me and all that nonsense. I mean, who the fuck complains about having friends and people liking them? Someone with some sort of crappy martyr complex.

Somehow, and this is only crappy self-diagnosis of something I never considered serious enough to consult a professional about, I had gotten it in to my head that sacrifice was the noblest thing that someone could do. But, regular ol' noble sacrifice, that doesn't really come up all that often--and in relationships such as friendship and romantic ones there is this chance to sacrifice as long as you define them all as doomed prospects in one way or another. So now you've created a bullshit scenario where you can have all kinds of noble sacrifices...never mind that it turns you into a complete prat.

I still have it now and then. It fucked off some chances at love, alienated some people who could have been good friends, kept me from pursuing some really good opportunities. Every now and then I still see it, like not considering myself 'invited' to something unless I'm specifically asked more than once and when I'm not invited to something playing it into some sort of 'forever alone' narrative of the 'way of the universe' or some such crap. I used to wear all those as badges of some sort of nobility or maybe Purple Hearts to my Eeyore nature, but in more rational moments I look at them as instances of me being an idiot.

So I can empathize slightly with it all, where I have in fact 'gotten off' as it were on this kind of artificial nobility of denial. I don't necessarily understand it, but then again, never consulted a professional on the subject, I just grew up enough to tell myself when this nonsense rears its head to 'get the fuck over myself' and realize that the best times in my life have been spent with other people.

[Lauchlin]

I'd give my life for your luck.

You know, I can marginally understand this. I had (kind of still have) this kind of Eeyore/emo/martyr/woe is me kind of kick going on. In junior high I was 'put out' that people wanted me to go to a dance and when I did when this hot chick danced with me I lamented that I wasn't working on my model...I wasn't even good at making models...she got appropriately upset and bailed and part of me congratulated myself. Of course, the other part of me regrets that shit to this day. Not because I missed a chance to get laid, that would be a stretch, but because in my self-righteous self-absorption where romantic entanglements were 'beneath' me, I really hurt a girl's feelings who was honestly just trying to be nice to me. What kind of a jackass does that kind of thing?

It was sort of this pervasive feeling that no matter how much counter evidence was presented, somewhere along the line I had convinced myself that it was all bullshit or something and that I was 'above it' and thus congratulated myself on my martyrdom.

I eventually wrote a play about it (an emo bastard wrote a play? Get out! On the plus side, it's a comedy...and was, I guess ironically, pretty popular where it has been produced) when I got older and looked at myself in my early 20s being put out by having people around me, liking me and all that nonsense. I mean, who the fuck complains about having friends and people liking them? Someone with some sort of crappy martyr complex.

Somehow, and this is only crappy self-diagnosis of something I never considered serious enough to consult a professional about, I had gotten it in to my head that sacrifice was the noblest thing that someone could do. But, regular ol' noble sacrifice, that doesn't really come up all that often--and in relationships such as friendship and romantic ones there is this chance to sacrifice as long as you define them all as doomed prospects in one way or another. So now you've created a bullshit scenario where you can have all kinds of noble sacrifices...never mind that it turns you into a complete prat.

I still have it now and then. It fucked off some chances at love, alienated some people who could have been good friends, kept me from pursuing some really good opportunities. Every now and then I still see it, like not considering myself 'invited' to something unless I'm specifically asked more than once and when I'm not invited to something playing it into some sort of 'forever alone' narrative of the 'way of the universe' or some such crap. I used to wear all those as badges of some sort of nobility or maybe Purple Hearts to my Eeyore nature, but in more rational moments I look at them as instances of me being an idiot.

So I can empathize slightly with it all, where I have in fact 'gotten off' as it were on this kind of artificial nobility of denial. I don't necessarily understand it, but then again, never consulted a professional on the subject, I just grew up enough to tell myself when this nonsense rears its head to 'get the fuck over myself' and realize that the best times in my life have been spent with other people.

Hear hear.

[The Atlantean Menace]

At last, proof of my ideas. No man should ever be attracted to a female body because it has the effect of objectification.

Why not? Why is it having an effect of objectification a reason not to do it?

[Galloism]

At last, proof of my ideas. No man should ever be attracted to a female body because it has the effect of objectification.

Why not? Why is it having an effect of objectification a reason not to do it?

Hey, get in line!

*points at the long line of people who asked the same question*

[The Atlantean Menace]

Why not? Why is it having an effect of objectification a reason not to do it?

Hey, get in line!

*points at the long line of people who asked the same question*

Also, this study doesn't really show that men are objectifying the women. The conclusion looks a little more like:

"Women tend to get self-conscious if they feel they're being checked out, whereas men don't give a fuck."

[Samuraikoku]

So many questions unanswered. Oh well... it was nice trying.

[Galloism]

Hey, get in line!

*points at the long line of people who asked the same question*

Also, this study doesn't really show that men are objectifying the women. The conclusion looks a little more like:

"Women tend to get self-conscious if they feel they're being checked out, whereas men don't give a fuck."

Or, perhaps men don't show their self-consciousness in the same way.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

How has this thread outlasted a half dozen abortion ones?
I objectify women every day. It is that pesky biological carrying on the family line thing.

[Geniasis]

And trying to fit people you disagree with into your own fictional sexist narratives won't magically get rid of their arguments.

You don't actually appear to have had an argument, yet.

The OP made a claim based on a source that didn't support it. It's arguably gone downhill from there.

Quoted because the OP needs to see this.

Nobody is attacking your argument, because you have yet to make one. You're just asserting the same asinine nonsense that you've been for the past ten threads.

Protip: If everyone disagrees with you, that does not automatically make you right. It doesn't automatically make you wrong either, but at the very least it's a sign that you should step back and re-evaluate things.

[Kobeanare]

Also, this study doesn't really show that men are objectifying the women. The conclusion looks a little more like:

"Women tend to get self-conscious if they feel they're being checked out, whereas men don't give a fuck."

Or, perhaps men don't show their self-consciousness in the same way.

Or, perhaps men would have spoken for five minutes when not being objectified, and three minutes when being objectified, but we don't know because they capped talking time at two minutes.

[Super Bwitain]

You infuriate me beyond measure.

[Atlantian Empire]

You hate sex, men, yourself and women's rights. I get it. BTW, there is NOTHING wrong with finding beauty in the human body.

[Vazdania]

gain, this just proves that woman act diffrently around men who they think are "looking" at them. This does not prove that we are objectifying woman when we are attracted to them.

[Alaje]

Four Sided Triangles, either you've got massive mental issues or you're a very annoying troll. Either way.....you need help dude.

[Arkinesia]

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2010/01/how_sexual_objectification_silences_women_-_the_male_glance.php

At last, proof of my ideas. No man should ever be attracted to a female body because it has the effect of objectification. Note, however, that females staring at male bodies does not produce the same effect.

I'm vindicated. All sexual attraction is objectification. You can't get out of it.

I don't-

But-

What the fuck?

[Meim]

[Michael VII]

FST, did you ever stop to think that it might just be the fact that men want to talk for a hell of a lot longer than women. Especially about themselves? We're men, its what we do. Talky, talky, talky.

[Rumbria]

Of course attraction is objectification. It's the fundamental reason that objectification is not always wrong, and the best example of how the term has been mutilated into a buzzword.

[Bottle]

Of course attraction is objectification. It's the fundamental reason that objectification is not always wrong, and the best example of how the term has been mutilated into a buzzword.

Close, but wrong.

The problem is that people (incorrectly) equate sexualization with objectification. This is, incidentally, another way you can tell that the OP of this thread is an anti-feminist troll. He's sniping at the many feminists who have discussed, at length, how objectification is harmful and how sexual relationships between men and women are especially poisoned by it. But he has, like so many others before him, mistakenly read this as an indictment of SEXUALIZATION.

The reality is that lots of objectification doesn't involve sexualization, and lots of sexualization doesn't involve objectification. Attraction doesn't necessarily require objectification; indeed, for many of us, objectification tends to be a bit of a boner-killer. Feminists have been discussing this for decades because, duh, feminists tend to think it would be nice if we could have heterosexual relationships without one or both of the participants being objectified.

If you like the idea of having sex with another person, an actual real person, then none of this should bother you. You should, indeed, be interested in learning more. But if you prefer the Doesn't Matter; Had Sex school of thought, you're probably going to be pissed at all the stupid thinking and talking you'll have to do in order to interact with your sex-receptacle as if it were a real live being.