Attraction is Objectification

[Gauthier]

So basically, you're saying that because women in this study shrunk under men looking at them, and became less talkative, that is proof positive that women are inferior to men, and are by their very biological nature silenced and objectified by men being attracted to them. (I will leave aside the false equivalence your thesis places in the male gaze and attraction. You don't have to like what you're looking at to glare at it)

I honestly don't know how you pretend that you in any way believe in feminism or feminine empowerment. In truth, you're the worst sexist of them all, and you hide your sexism under the puritanical guise of whiteknighting.

Why do you keep putting shit into my mouth? Why must you all construct straw man after straw man in all of my threads?

Straw man? With your series of "Men Are Pigs and Need to be Castrated" blogfest? Seriously?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Hey, you know what's funny about this source? Guy's married.

[Ifreann]

Any outward manifestation of male attraction toward females appears to cause them psychological harm.

You keep getting further and further away from what the paper actually says.

And this statement is probably the most vile and terrible lie I've ever seen in print. There's a huge body of literature on the correlation between self-esteem and feeling that others are attracted to you, regardless of gender.

Silly Trotsky, don't you realise that what the paper says doesn't actually matter? All that matters is that 4ST feels vindicated by what he imagines it says.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

So basically, you're saying that because women in this study shrunk under men looking at them, and became less talkative, that is proof positive that women are inferior to men, and are by their very biological nature silenced and objectified by men being attracted to them. (I will leave aside the false equivalence your thesis places in the male gaze and attraction. You don't have to like what you're looking at to glare at it)

I honestly don't know how you pretend that you in any way believe in feminism or feminine empowerment. In truth, you're the worst sexist of them all, and you hide your sexism under the puritanical guise of whiteknighting.

Why do you keep putting shit into my mouth? Why must you all construct straw man after straw man in all of my threads?

They're not strawmen. We're trying to show you something.

[Four-sided Triangles]

You keep getting further and further away from what the paper actually says.

And this statement is probably the most vile and terrible lie I've ever seen in print. There's a huge body of literature on the correlation between self-esteem and feeling that others are attracted to you, regardless of gender.

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish. And this is just from imagining what it would be like to be viewed sexually. Actually being viewed sexually must be far worse.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

[Unchecked Expansion]

Not only does your source not agree with what you're saying, even if it did, it would not show that all sexual attraction is objectification, considering it mentions that men being observed showed no change.

[The Halseyist Faction]

Ah, see I saw this thread in the 'Last Forum Topics' section and I thought, 'Oh! That must be a FST Thread. I do so love being right.'

I thought I'd stop by from my lurking just to throw up the vague note that some women =Enjoy= being both objectified and treated as objects. (Indeed as do some men, but we seem to be talking about women here.) So assuming their view counts, even if we are objectifying them it is not necessarily a bad thing.

You may now resume discussing your various mental health issues.

[Holy Paradise]

You keep getting further and further away from what the paper actually says.

And this statement is probably the most vile and terrible lie I've ever seen in print. There's a huge body of literature on the correlation between self-esteem and feeling that others are attracted to you, regardless of gender.

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish. And this is just from imagining what it would be like to be viewed sexually. Actually being viewed sexually must be far worse.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

Holy unreal sexual repression, Batman.

[Trotskylvania]

So basically, you're saying that because women in this study shrunk under men looking at them, and became less talkative, that is proof positive that women are inferior to men, and are by their very biological nature silenced and objectified by men being attracted to them. (I will leave aside the false equivalence your thesis places in the male gaze and attraction. You don't have to like what you're looking at to glare at it)

I honestly don't know how you pretend that you in any way believe in feminism or feminine empowerment. In truth, you're the worst sexist of them all, and you hide your sexism under the puritanical guise of whiteknighting.

Why do you keep putting shit into my mouth? Why must you all construct straw man after straw man in all of my threads?

I'm not putting anything in your mouth. This is a direct implication of your own posts.

You can't say that women are inherently harmed by men looking at them without implying the inherent biological inferiority of women. How weak must someone be if they're psychologically harmed by people looking at them? Clearly, you have no respect for women, nor any high opinion of them. They're fragile and need to be protected by a big white knight like you.

But what you miss is that it takes false equivalences to get to your warped interpretation of this paper. You're equating change in behavior with with psychological harm.

I have news for you: when people are silently staring at us, we get self-conscious. We're prey species at heart, and when someone is looking at us intently but not speaking, that's similar to a predator sizing up it's target. But while a woman might stop talking out of that feeling of self-consciousness, a man will probably continue out of manly bravado, but he'll be just as uncomfortable as the woman.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish. And this is just from imagining what it would be like to be viewed sexually. Actually being viewed sexually must be far worse.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

Holy unreal sexual repression, Batman.

Trust me. It gets worse.

[Four-sided Triangles]

They're not strawmen. We're trying to show you something.

No, you're deciding upon the most terrible thing you can possibly think of and then trying to make it look like my posts actually say that. You're trying to find the most vile way you possibly can to interpret my posts, no matter how convoluted you have to make your logic.

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

How do you get "He thinks women are inferior." from that?

[Conserative Morality]

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish. And this is just from imagining what it would be like to be viewed sexually. Actually being viewed sexually must be far worse.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

I actually love the idea of people finding me sexually attractive. It strokes my ego.

[Lost Earth]

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2010/01/how_sexual_objectification_silences_women_-_the_male_glance.php

At last, proof of my ideas.

Proof? Obviously sex is going to cause a person to center on a person for their physical attributes and cause them to desire these said attributes. I fail to see how this proves it is bad though.

Note, however, that females staring at male bodies does not produce the same effect.

I begin to think you are a female who wants men to be inferior and hopes they will one day think like you do. Obviously this is unprovable, but the premonitions of this have been haunting me as I have watched your posts...

[Conserative Morality]

No, you're deciding upon the most terrible thing you can possibly think of and then trying to make it look like my posts actually say that. You're trying to find the most vile way you possibly can to interpret my posts, no matter how convoluted you have to make your logic.

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

How do you get "He thinks women are inferior." from that?

Believe me, there's not much that's more damning than what your posts actually say.

[Gauthier]

They're not strawmen. We're trying to show you something.

No, you're deciding upon the most terrible thing you can possibly think of and then trying to make it look like my posts actually say that. You're trying to find the most vile way you possibly can to interpret my posts, no matter how convoluted you have to make your logic.

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

How do you get "He thinks women are inferior." from that?

From how you insist merely being looked at makes women shrink? Like they have so little self-confidence and self-esteem that they need to be babysat 24/7? Seriously, that condescending approach to women is a lot like what you'd find in Fundie Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia.

[Hydesland]

that is proof positive that women are inferior to men

Where on earth did he say that?

you hide your sexism under the puritanical guise of whiteknighting.

Given that UT is a strong atheist, this sounds like you're pigeon holing him and being intellectually lazy.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

They're not strawmen. We're trying to show you something.

No, you're deciding upon the most terrible thing you can possibly think of and then trying to make it look like my posts actually say that. You're trying to find the most vile way you possibly can to interpret my posts, no matter how convoluted you have to make your logic.

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

How do you get "He thinks women are inferior." from that?

....I think you're a troll, it's official. You CAN'T be an actual personality. If for no other reason than the sake of what's left of my sanity.

[Yewhohohopia]

All sexual attraction is objectification.

Limerence, maybe.

[Northwest Slobovia]

You keep getting further and further away from what the paper actually says.

And this statement is probably the most vile and terrible lie I've ever seen in print. There's a huge body of literature on the correlation between self-esteem and feeling that others are attracted to you, regardless of gender.

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish.

Um, 4ST? You need professional help.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

Do you often project your beliefs onto other people?

Fortunately for the survival of H. saps, most of us -- men and women -- like to know that people are attracted to us.

[Unchecked Expansion]

They're not strawmen. We're trying to show you something.

No, you're deciding upon the most terrible thing you can possibly think of and then trying to make it look like my posts actually say that. You're trying to find the most vile way you possibly can to interpret my posts, no matter how convoluted you have to make your logic.

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

How do you get "He thinks women are inferior." from that?

Because it seems to follow from the idea that women are threatened by the mere existence of men.

[Holy Paradise]

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

Which would be just as sexist and wrong as a society solely governed by males where females cannot hold political power.

[Gauthier]

I want a society entirely governed by females, where males are not allowed to hold political power at all.

You're male and you hate males. Were you seriously abused as a child?

[Trotskylvania]

You keep getting further and further away from what the paper actually says.

And this statement is probably the most vile and terrible lie I've ever seen in print. There's a huge body of literature on the correlation between self-esteem and feeling that others are attracted to you, regardless of gender.

Any thought of any person ever finding me sexually attractive is humiliating, degrading, and overwhelmingly unbearable. Thinking about the possibility that someone could view me as attractive or as something to have sex with causes me extraordinary mental anguish. And this is just from imagining what it would be like to be viewed sexually. Actually being viewed sexually must be far worse.

Who am I to put any other human through this?

I am not your therapist, but I feel like I must say that we're making a break through here.

Here's the thing: most people don't feel this way about sexual attraction. Just because you feel this way has no bearing on what others feel about the subject, and if you had ever thought to ask a woman about it, you'd never have gone on this road.

But instead, you've made a bad generalization about the whole human species based on what one person (you) feels about the subject. I don't think I need to explain to you why this kind of generalization is unsound.

[Four-sided Triangles]

You can't say that women are inherently harmed by men looking at them without implying the inherent biological inferiority of women.

Absolute bullshit. Maybe women are harmed in this way because they're more self-conscious and therefore more self-aware and intelligent.

[The Cookish States]

So basically, you're saying that because women in this study shrunk under men looking at them, and became less talkative, that is proof positive that women are inferior to men, and are by their very biological nature silenced and objectified by men being attracted to them. (I will leave aside the false equivalence your thesis places in the male gaze and attraction. You don't have to like what you're looking at to glare at it)

I honestly don't know how you pretend that you in any way believe in feminism or feminine empowerment. In truth, you're the worst sexist of them all, and you hide your sexism under the puritanical guise of whiteknighting.

This needs to be repeated as often as possible.

Honestly, Trotsy wins the internet there.

Hiphip huzzah for Trotsy!!!