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Postby Dzvasdvsdv » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:39 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote: :rofl: And I can't get facts straight?


I still stand by my point that Britain is no longer a superpower.

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Postby Virtud Tierra » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:41 pm

Vietnam was a war America went into to support our French allies.

Veitnam was a decisive French defeat. Nothing to do with America, we just killed like 60% of their population and left it to its own devices.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:41 pm

Dzvasdvsdv wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote: :rofl: And I can't get facts straight?


I still stand by my point that Britain is no longer a superpower.


Yeah, yeah... :p
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Postby Yootopia » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:48 pm

Virtud Tierra wrote:Vietnam was a war America went into to support our French allies.

Veitnam was a decisive French defeat. Nothing to do with America, we just killed like 60% of their population and left it to its own devices.

What the fuck are you talking about -_-

1) The first post-WW2 Indochinese War ended in 1954. American support came only in terms of materiel and moral support. The war in which America deployed vast amounts of troops only really began in the early 1960s.

2) The Vietnam war was a decisive South Vietnamese and American defeat. The French got booted out 20 years before the real end of the Vietnam War.

3) 60% of the Vietnamese population was absolutely not killed.
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Postby GetBert » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:52 pm

Virtud Tierra wrote:Vietnam was a war America went into to support our French allies.

Veitnam was a decisive French defeat. Nothing to do with America, we just killed like 60% of their population and left it to its own devices.


To learn from history you have to learn some history first.

Anyway back to China and Taiwan, I think China's kung fu is probably the best

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Postby Yootopia » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:54 pm

GetBert wrote:Back to China and Taiwan, I think China's kung fu is probably the best

Another factor : Sezhuan style noodles are tasty, and I'm pretty sure that's in the PRC.
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Postby Samatolian City-States » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:23 pm

China vs. Taiwan. Perhaps we should take a look at Russia vs. Georgia.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:41 pm

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GetBert wrote:Back to China and Taiwan, I think China's kung fu is probably the best

Another factor : Sezhuan style noodles are tasty, and I'm pretty sure that's in the PRC.


And since they're made in China, they can also be used as lethal weapons.
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:43 pm

My immediate thought is NATO would as it would likely come to ROC's aid...

But, Im not so sure, as we have alot, as in an ungodly amount, of economic interests in the PRC, and we also dont officially recognize the ROC anymore, and therefore, upon further speculation, I feel like we'd probably remain neutral, or at best funneling them funds and supplies secretly, and the ROC'd likely be swamped...

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Postby Rikese » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:53 pm

2) The Vietnam war was a decisive South Vietnamese and American defeat. The French got booted out 20 years before the real end of the Vietnam War.


Tactical victory, strategic defeat.

3) 60% of the Vietnamese population was absolutely not killed.


~15%


ROC would fail. While the air force and navy of ROC is likely superior in quality, all the PRC would have to do is saturate ROC ports, airbases and fleets with land based conventional ballistic missiles and shipkillers, of which they have plenty.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:55 pm

China would merely have to hiccup, and Taiwan would explode.

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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:56 pm

The Imperial Navy wrote:China would merely have to hiccup, and Taiwan would explode.

Psh, Chinese people dont get the Hiccups, honestly, :roll:

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Postby The Imperial Navy » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:57 pm

Maurepas wrote:
The Imperial Navy wrote:China would merely have to hiccup, and Taiwan would explode.

Psh, Chinese people dont get the Hiccups, honestly, :roll:


Ok... they'd cough. :)

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Postby Reblle » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:58 pm

No challenge, China.
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Postby The Parthians » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:02 pm

If in the next 20 years, probably a stalemate. The PRC navy simply doesn't have the amphibious capabilities to launch a sufficently large invasion of the ROC. The Taiwanese would probably end up sending most of what the PRC throws at them to the bottom with a heavy dose of anti-shipping missiles and the entire conflict would turn into an air skirmish which would ultimately be completely irrelevant in the end.

Further in the future though, once China has a navy like the US, it'll probably be able to win militarily, but at significant cost. Personally, I don't think there will be a conflict in the near future to be brutally honest, if they ever become one country again, it will be because the government in Beijing becomes a democracy which I frankly don't think will happen in my lifetime.
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Postby Yootopia » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:34 pm

Rikese wrote:
2) The Vietnam war was a decisive South Vietnamese and American defeat. The French got booted out 20 years before the real end of the Vietnam War.


Tactical victory, strategic defeat.

Aye well tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat and all that.
3) 60% of the Vietnamese population was absolutely not killed.


~15%

Quite.
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Postby Virtud Tierra » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:38 pm

Ugh, people forget that Taiwan is on an island, a pretty good distance from the mainland, and the ROC navy and airforce outlasses the PRC's shit no matter how you look at it.

They are pretty safe on that island. PRC simply doesn't have the technology or hardware to pull off a successful invasion.

Taiwan isn't Tibet. Don't mix the two together.

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Postby Yootopia » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:52 pm

Virtud Tierra wrote:Ugh, people forget that Taiwan is on an island, a pretty good distance from the mainland

About 180 kms, which is, what, 20 minutes tops for a plane and a day's trip at the most on any kind of relatively quick boat.
and the ROC navy and airforce outlasses the PRC's shit no matter how you look at it.

I don't really see how, seeing as they're both slightly crap, but the PRC has more of it, especially in terms of submarines.
They are pretty safe on that island. PRC simply doesn't have the technology or hardware to pull off a successful invasion.

Feh, not like they couldn't just build some more ships.
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Yeah I don't think anyone did?
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Postby Chrobalta » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:56 pm

Maurepas wrote:My immediate thought is NATO would as it would likely come to ROC's aid...

But, Im not so sure, as we have alot, as in an ungodly amount, of economic interests in the PRC, and we also dont officially recognize the ROC anymore, and therefore, upon further speculation, I feel like we'd probably remain neutral, or at best funneling them funds and supplies secretly, and the ROC'd likely be swamped...

ROC is not a member of the NATO pact, thus NATO would not come to its aid. NATO would not put itself in a position of war against a Nuclear power unless one of its own came under attack.
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Postby Epicnopolis » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:00 pm

Twigica wrote:Without the EU/UN/America interfering China would win hands down. With the aforementioned country/commities it would depend on who started the war and why.


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Postby Khodoristan » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:01 pm

Yeah, china's military is lacking, even compared to Taiwan, even tho ROC is at least 200 times smaller
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Postby Niur » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:02 pm

Dzvasdvsdv wrote:No-one cares about chinks battling it out tbh.

so you were deleted for racism, i was wondering.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:03 pm

Niur wrote:
Dzvasdvsdv wrote:No-one cares about chinks battling it out tbh.

so you were deleted for racism, i was wondering.


Nope. He was DoS.

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Postby Virtud Tierra » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:04 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Virtud Tierra wrote:Ugh, people forget that Taiwan is on an island, a pretty good distance from the mainland

About 180 kms, which is, what, 20 minutes tops for a plane and a day's trip at the most on any kind of relatively quick boat.
and the ROC navy and airforce outlasses the PRC's shit no matter how you look at it.

I don't really see how, seeing as they're both slightly crap, but the PRC has more of it, especially in terms of submarines.
They are pretty safe on that island. PRC simply doesn't have the technology or hardware to pull off a successful invasion.

Feh, not like they couldn't just build some more ships.
Taiwan isn't Tibet. Don't mix the two together.

Yeah I don't think anyone did?


If they could just "build more ships" they would not have such a 5th rate navy. They don't, because they can't.

The ROC airforce is more then enough to keep the PRC off its shores and its superior navy just amplifies its air superiority against the PRC.

20 minutes, sure, lets see how long it takes for the PRC airbases to stay operational after the war starts.

Taiwan isn't Tibet, and you could have a billion-man army equppied with the latest Norinco-death-rays but thats completely useless if you can't across an expanse of water, which the PRC decidedly cannot effectively do.

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Postby Niur » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:04 pm

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Dzvasdvsdv wrote:No-one cares about chinks battling it out tbh.

so you were deleted for racism, i was wondering.


Nope. He was DoS.

I knew that, I was just wondering how they caught him.
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