More Falklands Trouble

[Risottia]

It's not a surprise you disagree with me.

And, guess why, things will stay like this until you post something sensible.

If an Argentine were to live in the Falkland Islands they would not be granted the right to vote, regardless of how long they have lived there yet Brits are exempt from the rule.

No they aren't. If a Brit were to say "I want to be an Argie and I pledge allegiance to the Argie flag", he could lose his citizenship. That rule is EXACTLY aimed at Brits AND AT BRITS ONLY, because only Brits can lose British citizenship. Argies don't have British citizenship (except for the eventual dual citizens).

It's cultural discrimination.

No, it's a discrimination based on citizenship, which is perfectly legal, according to any charter of human rights ever.
If you're a citizen of country A, immigrating in country B but not applying for country B citizenship, you don't get voting rights in country B. And citizens of any country are required NOT to give their loyalty to other countries.

Oh, my hearth bleeds at such a terrible abuse.

[The Bazlantian Diplomatic Authority]

Imagine the shock I got when I discovered that you managed to twist something I said into being pro-British.

[Aesthetica]

If you already knew the result, why did you post such a fallacious complaint?
To put it in other terms, if I decide to take a tour in Argentina, do I get voting rights? No. Those evil imperialists deny me the right to vote in the Argentinian elections even if I'm on Argentinian soil, just because I owe allegiance to another country! What a sick discriminating fockin attitude, they need to lose it.

It's not a surprise you disagree with me.

And that is not the issue in hand. If an Argentine were to live in the Falkland Islands they would not be granted the right to vote, regardless of how long they have lived there yet Brits are exempt from the rule. It's cultural discrimination.

If I went to Argentina, it wouldn't matter how long I lived there, I'd still be a British citizen, not an Argentinian citizen, and thus not entitled to vote in their elections.

Same principle, an Argie moves to the Falklands, but retains Argie citizen ship, no fucking vote. The reason for that is simple, it stops the Argies sending over a division of their grunts, in civ disguise to vote themselves control and oust the residents.

No back door invasions. If they want the Falklands, they will have to fight for them, and win. If they don't like the idea of fighting, they can shut the fuck up. If you don't like the idea, go to Argentina, and volunteer for the Malvinas Liberation Army's Foreigners Battalion, and when you hit our beaches, you can be first in line to be buggered with a British bayonette for your trouble.

British people living on British territory (I don't count "some Argentinians went there once, and the Yanks said it was Argentinian after the Yanks had lost a war to Britain" as much of a claim, sorry), why should Britain give those people over into enemy hands to be abused, robbed of their property and persecuted?

We should send HMS Astute down to the south Atlantic, and lob a tomahawk cruise missile with a dummy warhead and a note, through the El Presidente's office window, note to read :

"Falklands are ours, like it or lump it.
ps. The next one won't be a dud..."

[The Bazlantian Diplomatic Authority]

It's not a surprise you disagree with me.

And that is not the issue in hand. If an Argentine were to live in the Falkland Islands they would not be granted the right to vote, regardless of how long they have lived there yet Brits are exempt from the rule. It's cultural discrimination.

If I went to Argentina, it wouldn't matter how long I lived there, I'd still be a British citizen, not an Argentinian citizen, and thus not entitled to vote in their elections.

Same principle, an Argie moves to the Falklands, but retains Argie citizen ship, no fucking vote. The reason for that is simple, it stops the Argies sending over a division of their grunts, in civ disguise to vote themselves control and oust the residents.

No back door invasions. If they want the Falklands, they will have to fight for them, and win. If they don't like the idea of fighting, they can shut the fuck up. If you don't like the idea, go to Argentina, and volunteer for the Malvinas Liberation Army's Foreigners Battalion, and when you hit our beaches, you can be first in line to be buggered with a British bayonette for your trouble.

British people living on British territory (I don't count "some Argentinians went there once, and the Yanks said it was Argentinian after the Yanks had lost a war to Britain" as much of a claim, sorry), why should Britain give those people over into enemy hands to be abused, robbed of their property and persecuted?

We should send HMS Astute down to the south Atlantic, and lob a tomahawk cruise missile with a dummy warhead and a note, through the El Presidente's office window, note to read :

"Falklands are ours, like it or lump it.
ps. The next one won't be a dud..."

So mature...

[Klowr]

Imagine the shock I got when I discovered that you managed to twist something I said into being pro-British.

EDIT:Its a fairly simple concept. Where, those holding country A citizenship, get to vote in country A elections, or referendums. While those in Country A who don't hold citizenship rights, don't get to vote.

[Costa Fiero]

"Someone can lose their right to vote if (..) they have any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign Power or State" except the United Kingdom. Same source.

And how about you do us a favour and lose your f***ing attitude?

In other words, Argentines cannot vote because they are not British. Quite why people see this as a problem is beyond me. If I wanted to vote in the United States, I would not be able to do so because I don't have American citizenship. I would have to swear allegiance to the United States in order to gain citizenship and thus vote.* But this all counts if you have residency in the Falklands, i.e British citizenship/Falkland residency. Therefore, if you don't have it, you can't vote. Not hard to understand.

This "allegiance"/non-citizenship issue is common amongst many Commonwealth countries. Countries that have it include Antigua and Barbuda, Australia (1947-1984), Canada (Canadian citizens only), Dominica, Grenada, Jamaica etc. Virtually, all of the self-governing islands in the Carribban have it. As the Falklands are a self-governing overseas territory, it is they themselves who decided to implement this law, not the British.

[Aesthetica]

We should send HMS Astute down to the south Atlantic, and lob a tomahawk cruise missile with a dummy warhead and a note, through the El Presidente's office window, note to read :

"Falklands are ours, like it or lump it.
ps. The next one won't be a dud..."

So mature...

My cousin, and a former boyfriend both fought in the last Falklands war. If there is another war, some of my relatives may well find themselves posted there for active service, since they are currently in the Military. I was in the military during that war, but I didn't get posted there.

Yes. Mature. None of this fucking juvenile "Can't we all get along and make a reasoned decision to fuck over the Falklanders based on the rantings of some kid on NSG..."

Mature. When enemies attack your territory and people, you shoot the bastards first, and worry about their feelings afterwards.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

So mature...

My cousin, and a former boyfriend both fought in the last Falklands war. If there is another war, some of my relatives may well find themselves posted there for active service, since they are currently in the Military. I was in the military during that war, but I didn't get posted there.

Yes. Mature. None of this fucking juvenile "Can't we all get along and make a reasoned decision to fuck over the Falklanders based on the rantings of some kid on NSG..."

Mature. When enemies attack your territory and people, you shoot the bastards first, and worry about their feelings afterwards.

Nobody's shooting yet. I'd prefer if they didn't start.

The South American nations have simply stated they won't let Falklands-flag ships dock at their ports. That is not a Causus Belli.

One could argue this is a lead-up to an attack, but the appropriate response in this case in my opinion would be to fortify, not to pre-emptively attack.

[Farnhamia]

So mature...

My cousin, and a former boyfriend both fought in the last Falklands war. If there is another war, some of my relatives may well find themselves posted there for active service, since they are currently in the Military. I was in the military during that war, but I didn't get posted there.

Yes. Mature. None of this fucking juvenile "Can't we all get along and make a reasoned decision to fuck over the Falklanders based on the rantings of some kid on NSG..."

Mature. When enemies attack your territory and people, you shoot the bastards first, and worry about their feelings afterwards.

Which you did when they did. Talking about lobbing a cruise missile through the President's window is immature and the mark of an ITG.

[Costa Fiero]

Nobody's shooting yet. I'd prefer if they didn't start.

The South American nations have simply stated they won't let Falklands-flag ships dock at their ports. That is not a Causus Belli.

One could argue this is a lead-up to an attack, but the appropriate response in this case in my opinion would be to fortify, not to pre-emptively attack.

This is Mercosur, where sanity and diplomacy have taken a seat and replaced with "anti-imperialist" dick-waving. Argentina wouldn't go at it alone. This means they have to look for allies. So far, they have Uruguay (who started this shit in the first place) and Brazil. And even then, I wouldn't think Brazil would become embroiled in a foreign conflict which doesn't affect them nor has any real benefits for them. So it's just Uruguay and Argentina.

[Aesthetica]

Which you did when they did. Talking about lobbing a cruise missile through the President's window is immature and the mark of an ITG.

Hey, I did say a dud, with a nice explanatory note, so El Presidente can correctly assess the situation and call off her grunts...

Better she gets her office window replaced than has to explain to her people why so many of their sons are missing in action, right?

[Farnhamia]

Which you did when they did. Talking about lobbing a cruise missile through the President's window is immature and the mark of an ITG.

Hey, I did say a dud, with a nice explanatory note, so El Presidente can correctly assess the situation and call off her grunts...

Better she gets her office window replaced than has to explain to her people why so many of their sons are missing in action, right?

Still immature and very ITG.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

Nobody's shooting yet. I'd prefer if they didn't start.

The South American nations have simply stated they won't let Falklands-flag ships dock at their ports. That is not a Causus Belli.

One could argue this is a lead-up to an attack, but the appropriate response in this case in my opinion would be to fortify, not to pre-emptively attack.

This is Mercosur, where sanity and diplomacy have taken a seat and replaced with "anti-imperialist" dick-waving. Argentina wouldn't go at it alone. This means they have to look for allies. So far, they have Uruguay (who started this shit in the first place) and Brazil. And even then, I wouldn't think Brazil would become embroiled in a foreign conflict which doesn't affect them nor has any real benefits for them. So it's just Uruguay and Argentina.

The initiative for the South American declaration coming from Argentina and Uruguay does not falsify my statement that the declaration was by the South American Nations.

I did not say which nations would be attacking, I left that part deliberately vague as it's a vague proposition. There's not much to go on to suggest Argentina would actually fight this time around, in my opinion.

[Aesthetica]

Hey, I did say a dud, with a nice explanatory note, so El Presidente can correctly assess the situation and call off her grunts...

Better she gets her office window replaced than has to explain to her people why so many of their sons are missing in action, right?

Still immature and very ITG.

No, it's very Military Veteran who lost friends in that war, and would prefer it if some stupid foreign whore didn't start another because she doesn't understand how badly her side will lose.

Because when we win, it will still involve casualties on our side, friends and possibly relatives of mine, and I care more about them than the state of her office window.

Argentina should make up it's mind,

Stand up and Fight... or Shut up and Fuck off

I'd prefer the latter, but we have to be ready for the former.

[Costa Fiero]

The initiative for the South American declaration coming from Argentina and Uruguay does not falsify my statement that the declaration was by the South American Nations.

So far, only Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina have actually declared it. The rest have yet to say yay or nay.

I did not say which nations would be attacking, I left that part deliberately vague as it's a vague proposition. There's not much to go on to suggest Argentina would actually fight this time around, in my opinion.

You'd be surprised.

[Farnhamia]

Still immature and very ITG.

No, it's very Military Veteran who lost friends in that war, and would prefer it if some stupid foreign whore didn't start another because she doesn't understand how badly her side will lose.

Because when we win, it will still involve casualties on our side, friends and possibly relatives of mine, and I care more about them than the state of her office window.

Argentina should make up it's mind,

Stand up and Fight... or Shut up and Fuck off

I'd prefer the latter, but we have to be ready for the former.

To paraphrase your greatest playwright with words he gave one of your martial kinds, "When lenity and cruelty play for on the world stage, the gentler gamester is the soonest winner." Let the Argentines bluster. You have the islands, you have world opinion on your side (save for the usual suspects), what do you care what Sra. Kirchner says?

[Aesthetica]

To paraphrase your greatest playwright with words he gave one of your martial kinds, "When lenity and cruelty play for on the world stage, the gentler gamester is the soonest winner." Let the Argentines bluster. You have the islands, you have world opinion on your side (save for the usual suspects), what do you care what Sra. Kirchner says?

I don't give a rats arse what she says, I'm just waiting to see what she does...

Actions speak louder than words, as the saying goes.

[Great Agram]

"Someone can lose their right to vote if (..) they have any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign Power or State" except the United Kingdom. Same source.

Guy: "I hereby declare myself as citizen and soldier of Risottia, bound to protect the interests of Risottia above any other country's!"
British gov't: "Then you're excused from your British citizenship, since you like Russia more than Britain"
Guy: "OMG YOU EVIL OPPRESSIVE BRITISH GUBMINT NEED TER "LOSS" YER FOCKIN ATTITUDE".

I fail to be impressed.

Brasil is more economically developed than Britain.

[Farnhamia]

Guy: "I hereby declare myself as citizen and soldier of Risottia, bound to protect the interests of Risottia above any other country's!"
British gov't: "Then you're excused from your British citizenship, since you like Russia more than Britain"
Guy: "OMG YOU EVIL OPPRESSIVE BRITISH GUBMINT NEED TER "LOSS" YER FOCKIN ATTITUDE".

I fail to be impressed.

Brasil is more economically developed than Britain.

Their GDP's are very close, actually. $2.something trillion each.

[Costa Fiero]

Brasil is more economically developed than Britain.

Irrelevant in a discussion like this.

[Grays Harbor]

fixed

When you're as old as I am, nine years one way or the other ...

I am as old as you are. Perhaps older, even.

[Delator]

Brasil is more economically developed than Britain.

GDP is equal...Britain has a GDP per capita more than three times greater than Brazil.

Brazil still employs 20% of it's labor force in agriculture, has a greater poverty rate, and higher income inequality...not to mention a deforestation problem.

Brazil has made great strides in the last few decades...but your statement is simply not supported by facts.

Irrelevant in a discussion like this.

That too.

[Orlkjestad]

Pathetic. The Argentine government just want to get their hands on the oil production there, which is despicable. Would they really risk a diplomatic incident - and possibly a military one - for a bit of oil? Is it worth the lives of perhaps hundreds? Well, they apparently think so. I'm no patriotic British person, but it is shameful to think that South America has to complain and sanction against a tiny group of islands and islets; and they claim not to be ruled by imperialistic leaders anymore. The UN needs to put them in their place, once and for all, before this can escalate.

Don't pin this on the entire continent. There are still South American nations that exist that aren't part of Mercosur.

[Fnordgasm 5]

Oh really? Well its gotta be pretty easy to win referenda about whether the Islands should remain part of the UK when according the the constitution only those who support Britain are allowed to vote.

Mm, the smell of tainted democracy.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislativ ... #Elections

Also I must say that you guys are acting really childish over this matter. It's interesting how the UK feels the need to talk so tough with regards to the Falklands. Like a poor attempt to remind the world that you were once a big fish.

Since you're so committed to democracy if we allowed Argentinians to vote despite not having citizenship you'd be fine with also allowing the mainland British electorate to vote as well, right? Since they do have a stake in the islands and anything less would be hypocrisy..

[The UK in Exile]

daily mail reports that ships flying falklands flags would be allowed to fly the red ensign without re-registering. the falklands flag is a derivation. meaning that the tactic of changing flags to get around the ban is valid. contrary to what has previously been said.