More Falklands Trouble

[Globexanter]

Ah, yes. The combined might of Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil. Very scary. /sarcasm.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16332115

Ah, yes, opinions based on reality, very scary indeed.

Well according to that, the US is going to stay number 1 while France and Germany somehow take an amazing fall, very unrealistic if you ask me.

[Baltenstein]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16332115

Ah, yes, opinions based on reality, very scary indeed.

Well according to that, the US is going to stay number 1 while France and Germany somehow take an amazing fall, very unrealistic if you ask me.

Plus, Russia and India will apparently experience an equally amazing upswing. India, I can get (hence, Britons: time to renew some old Commonwealth ties *winkwink*) but Russia, not so much.

[Marcurix]

2: i.e. you don't have a claim, you won't get the islands lawfully, and if you try to seize them you'll be embarrassed again.

Tell me again why Argentina's governments consistently feel the need to push the falkland islands whenever they're unpopular?

Ya, basically, our governments claim the malvinas to avoid the wrath of the veterans and nationalists.
We should do something and stop losing money with the conferences.

Don't feed the troll, they just get bigger.

If you call troll a person with different ideas ,you´ll have several problem in your life, my friend...

It's not that you have different ideas that makes you a troll, its that you seem to just be looking to get a rise out of people over the issue. Otherwise your responses would have more than "reading a bit of history" and "something called a radar", you'd actually back them up with evidence.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Well according to that, the US is going to stay number 1 while France and Germany somehow take an amazing fall, very unrealistic if you ask me.

Plus, Russia and India will apparently experience an equally amazing upswing. India, I can get (hence, Britons: time to renew some old Commonwealth ties *winkwink*) but Russia, not so much.

I can get India too.

[Lambrinisia]

And we should sink you criminals who cross into the waters of the Falkland Islands without permission.

Keep the Falklands British! God save the Queen!

emmmm...there are three countries opposing you, not one. South America plays an ever-increasing role in the world economy and no one is going to stop trading with them over some stupid island. So I don't really think the Falkland Islands would achieve anything productive by doing that.

I am fully aware that it wouldn't be productive. The at the end of the first sentence was supposed to denote this as a jibe back at San Remo di Tarento. You weren't supposed to take it as an actual plan of action.

[Lambrinisia]

And we should sink you criminals who cross into the waters of the Falkland Islands without permission.

Keep the Falklands British! God save the Queen!

LOL you make me laugh, pirate.

Tell me, please, what is the name of the last argentinean ship that crossed the border of the Falklands Malvinas?

And then, make a list of the british ships that cross OUR maritime border every year without permission.

For your pirate comment, the in my initial reply was supposed to denote humour. As I was guessing the emote in your comment was also supposed to make me laugh.

Simple. No Argentinian ships cross the border of "Malvinas" because there is no "Malvinas". It's the Falkland Islands. You own it, you name it.

As for the second part, you make the list as you're making the claim. I want the name of the ship and the registry number. I want it in 24 hours. If you're going to make stupid demands, so can I.

If you were nominated to go convince the UK that you deserved the Falklands, what would you say? I want to know why you personally think the Falklands belong to Argentina. Not the party line, your personal opinion. Let's have a nice discussion.

[San Remo di Tarento]

LOL you make me laugh, pirate.

Tell me, please, what is the name of the last argentinean ship that crossed the border of the Falklands Malvinas?

And then, make a list of the british ships that cross OUR maritime border every year without permission.

For your pirate comment, the in my initial reply was supposed to denote humour. As I was guessing the emote in your comment was also supposed to make me laugh.

Simple. No Argentinian ships cross the border of "Malvinas" because there is no "Malvinas". It's the Falkland Islands. You own it, you name it.

As for the second part, you make the list as you're making the claim. I want the name of the ship and the registry number. I want it in 24 hours. If you're going to make stupid demands, so can I.

If you were nominated to go convince the UK that you deserved the Falklands, what would you say? I want to know why you personally think the Falklands belong to Argentina. Not the party line, your personal opinion. Let's have a nice discussion.

Ya, ya... okey, pirate, .......you won.
The european nations are falling and England isnt the exception. It will be better if people like you, so called nationalists, stop with the imperialist dreams of conquering the world (impossible ).

[Lambrinisia]

For your pirate comment, the in my initial reply was supposed to denote humour. As I was guessing the emote in your comment was also supposed to make me laugh.

Simple. No Argentinian ships cross the border of "Malvinas" because there is no "Malvinas". It's the Falkland Islands. You own it, you name it.

As for the second part, you make the list as you're making the claim. I want the name of the ship and the registry number. I want it in 24 hours. If you're going to make stupid demands, so can I.

If you were nominated to go convince the UK that you deserved the Falklands, what would you say? I want to know why you personally think the Falklands belong to Argentina. Not the party line, your personal opinion. Let's have a nice discussion.

Ya, ya... okey, pirate, .......you won.
The european nations are falling and England isnt the exception. It will be better if people like you, so called nationalists, stop with the imperialist dreams of conquering the world (impossible ).

I have to say that I am not a nationalist. If I was a nationalist, I'd say give the Falklands independence of both the UK and any Argentine claims. I would also ask that the French give up their overseas territories, the US give up Hawaii, the US Virgin Islands and the like. But I'm not advocating that. I believe that if the Falklanders want to remain part of the UK then we should let them. We do not have "imperialist dreams of conquering the world". We do however believe that we should maintain the territories we currently hold, especially if those territories want to remain part of the UK. If the Falklanders had wanted to be Argentine, we'd have probably given them over years ago. If the Falklanders had wanted to be Brazillian, we'd have probably given the islands to Brazil years ago. If the Falklanders had wanted to be part of the Democratic Republic of Congo... well you get the idea.

But the point remains. Why should we relinquish the Falklanders, who see themselves as part of the UK, to Argentina when the islanders do not want it?

[New Chalcedon]

If Argentina actually ratchets matters up to the point where they commit an act of war, then they're making a serious mistake.

First: There isn't much of a window between HMS Illustrious's decommissioning and the commissioning of HMS Queen Elizabeth. Once the latter vessel is commissioned into the RN, Argentina can faff around for another 30 years, thinking that it coulda been a contender, because nothing that Buenos Aires will ever be able to afford to purchase/operate will be able to take on an all-up carrier. If they got reamed by a pocket carrier like the Invincible (and they did), imagine what a fully-loaded Queen Elizabeth, with taskforce attached, will be able to do to them.

Second: NATO's mutual-defense obligations are not specifically targeted against Russia. They are general in nature, and an attack by any non-NATO state against a NATO member provides the attacked state a trigger to demand that NATO respond collectively against the attacker. Since the UK is one of America's closes allies (and Argentina really isn't), and since anyone with an IQ superior to that of a rutabaga who's examined the situation knows that the Falklanders want to remain a Crown Dependency, the short version is that at least some NATO members will back Britain's demand for a collective self-defence of its overseas territories - which will almost certainly become, over the course of the ensuing war, a collective punishment of Argentina.

The short version is this: Argentina does not own the Islands, has not owned the Islands for many years (and then debateably) and will never again own the Islands. The people there are not Argentines and do not wish to be part of Argentina, the Islands are not dependent upon Argentina economically, and they already tried military force once and failed. Argentina should recognise this set of facts, and simply concede sovereignty to recognise the historical and current reality.

[New Chalcedon]

That, frankly, is quite disgusting.

Why? They want to take the Falklands. I think if they try, flattening Buenos Aires would be a good response.

No, no it would not.

Bombing every military installation in and around the city, however, would. It would send the desired message - that the UK won't tolerate agression against itself or its dependencies - without committing war crimes.

[Klowr]

Falklanders want to stay with Great Britain, then they have every right to stay. Just because the map doesn't look pretty with the Falklands, doesn't give her any rights to take it. God save the queen

[Cromarty]

Falklanders want to stay with Great Britain, then they have every right to stay. Just because the map doesn't look pretty with the Falklands, doesn't give her any rights to take it. God save the queen

To be honest the map would look better if all the territory between Bermuda and the Falklands was united under British rule.

[Klowr]

Falklanders want to stay with Great Britain, then they have every right to stay. Just because the map doesn't look pretty with the Falklands, doesn't give her any rights to take it. God save the queen

To be honest the map would look better if all the territory between Bermuda and the Falklands was united under British rule.

True

[Lambrinisia]

To be honest the map would look better if all the territory between Bermuda and the Falklands was united under British rule.

True

If only we could still afford to have an empire...

[New Bazlantis]

Honestly, will they ever get over that fact that the Falklands are British? That's like the Germans still thinking that the Alsace-Lorraine belongs to them.

They aren't and it does...

[New Bazlantis]

This isn't Argentina specifically, it is Mercosur (a deeply rooted economic and political body made up of pretty much all of South America). In all fairness the Brits should recognise the controversial nature of the islands and who has sovereignty over them and refrain from pumping it for all the oil it has. Its taking a match to a powderkeg.

That being said however I think that it is very (very) unlikely anything military will come to this but on the rare off chance it does (which it won't) I would not be surprised if the UK was left to act alone. The South American continent is home to many (most notably Brasil) up and coming economic and political powers. The EU wouldn't want to mess with that by sending in NATO to protect one of Britain's distant colonial acquisitions. This is especially so given British relations with the EU and continental Europe right now.

[Lambrinisia]

This isn't Argentina specifically, it is Mercosur (a deeply rooted economic and political body made up of pretty much all of South America). In all fairness the Brits should recognise the controversial nature of the islands and who has sovereignty over them and refrain from pumping it for all the oil it has. Its taking a match to a powderkeg.

I have to point out that most Brits DO recognise the controversial nature of these Islands and who has sovereignty over them. That who being the British from 1690, not the illegal Argentine occupation approximately a century later. As for the oil, we need oil right now. It would be great if we had something to replace oil so the Argies could stop bitching us exploiting resources that we own but as we own it, we're going to extract it as we currently need it for a large number of industrial processes and products. We fail to see what control Mercosur has over British sovereign territory.

[New Bazlantis]

British attitude over the Falklands is disgusting. You're like children fighting over your corner of the sandbox. The empire is gone, give it up, man. You can barely run your own affairs let alone those of territories half a world away.

[Actirra]

When it comes to the Falkland islands my general reaction is .

Seriously though, nobody would be getting this worked up about them if there were no oil there/political capital from successful wars to be gained. I seriously doubt that any of Cameron's rhetoric comes from any real regard for the political rights of the Falklanders.

[Kouralia]

British attitude over the Falklands is disgusting. You're like children fighting over your corner of the sandbox. The empire is gone, give it up, man. You can barely run your own affairs let alone those of territories half a world away.

Erm, the Falklanders want to be British. Why should we give them up?

[New Bazlantis]

British attitude over the Falklands is disgusting. You're like children fighting over your corner of the sandbox. The empire is gone, give it up, man. You can barely run your own affairs let alone those of territories half a world away.

Erm, the Falklanders want to be British. Why should we give them up?

The only want to be British because when you booted out the Argentiniens in the late 1800's you proceeded to pump it full of naval personnel to maintain RN adventures around Cape Horn.

[New Chalcedon]

British attitude over the Falklands is disgusting. You're like children fighting over your corner of the sandbox. The empire is gone, give it up, man. You can barely run your own affairs let alone those of territories half a world away.

Erm, the Falklanders want to be British. Why should we give them up?

Because apparently, Argentina is Entitled to those islands, based on a four-year colony from 1829 to 1833.

[Bears Armed]

Second: NATO's mutual-defense obligations are not specifically targeted against Russia. They are general in nature, and an attack by any non-NATO state against a NATO member provides the attacked state a trigger to demand that NATO respond collectively against the attacker.

Umm. no. The NATO treaty sets geographical limits to that, probably specifically so that the USA couldn't get sucked into helping Britain or any European nations defend their colonies. It basically only covered attacks in Europe or North America (or the northern oceans), plus -- if I remember correctly -- Algeria back when that was still legally a part of France.

[Kouralia]

Erm, the Falklanders want to be British. Why should we give them up?

Because apparently, Argentina is Entitled to those islands, based on a four-year colony from 1829 to 1833.

Hot damn! That's a hell-uva lotta prescadent! Let's hand it over right now. [/sarcasm]

Erm, the Falklanders want to be British. Why should we give them up?

The only want to be British because when you booted out the Argentiniens in the late 1800's you proceeded to pump it full of naval personnel to maintain RN adventures around Cape Horn.

Erm, so basically you're saying:

- We should give them to Argentina as their claim is stronger due to their temp. colony ther.
- The argument of self-determination is not applicable in this situation because of something that happened around 200 years ago may cloud the judgement of people today.

[New Bazlantis]

Because apparently, Argentina is Entitled to those islands, based on a four-year colony from 1829 to 1833.

Hot damn! That's a hell-uva lotta prescadent! Let's hand it over right now. [/sarcasm]

The only want to be British because when you booted out the Argentiniens in the late 1800's you proceeded to pump it full of naval personnel to maintain RN adventures around Cape Horn.

Erm, so basically you're saying:

- We should give them to Argentina as their claim is stronger due to their temp. colony ther.
- The argument of self-determination is not applicable in this situation because of something that happened around 200 years ago may cloud the judgement of people today.

It shouldn't belong to the UK. Its merely a hang over from your imperialist past and if you really cared about the Falkland Islanders you would make them an independent state. And on your second point I would say it would be pretty easy to get them to support a British action considering they're all British!